and yeah i left a lot of missing letters in that last post i made. and i think its about time we end this thread due to the fact that us three just killed it.

 

Did you hear that? Musta been asu174 falling over in a dead faint!

 

I dunno. I'm still having a pretty good time. And I'm still waiting for Tanmann9 to make up his mind about his Y-pipe . . .

 

 

ok ok, lets keep it goin then. i kinda forgot about that, and yes andy i know im typin in lowercase. and hey andy i have a turbo from a 2001 VW beetle im givin away if u want, u can rig it to ur max. im too busy to even try it at this point. besides i think that thing is too small. it slightly smaller then the stock eclipse turbo which is like 4" long and about 3" wide. actaully that would be a bigger pain then d think to rig that thing, the total cost is gonna be more then the s/c. and did i mention i can get that for less as well.... u cant return the s/c once purchased to its up 2 u. gotta love stillen.

 

Sorry....I was out spraying fire retardant on my roof.......

Hmmmm. You could probably sell that turbo on ebay and score some cash. I can't even keep my wheels in decent condition let alone install a turbo... Thanks for the offer.

And I think my next mod might be the engagement ring..... Kind of a compromise between the SC and the boobies. Although I get COMPLETELY screwed on it.....j/k....

 

yeah i come across alot of parts here and there, the thing that really got on my nerves was that i came across a 300zx engine block which was in good shape except to the valves. well i didnt know i was gonna get the max, and im one of those frankenstien builders, if i had only know i would have kept the internals but ill come across another one sooner or later. but i can get stuff for cost so remember if u need anything just pm me i can get alot of stuff, bext wensday im gonna get my account setup with alex at SW auto, so as long as im not held responsible for anything that happens for any1z ride, i will hook u up. the thing is i install only a select few mods becasue i dont want to be responsible for anybody else ride (warranties kill in out business, u see the parts can screw up, be i dont just the customer doesnt know that) and by the way im only 19 yrs old so i know whats goin on around me. hit me up if u need anything just remember dont screw me, and good luck with ur girl...i mean wife

 

check your pm....in like 5 minutes...

 

Stay on target...

 

I'm going to try the exhaust wrap and possibly welding on a pre-cat. My car is up for inspection in July, so I'll at least wait until then before I install the Y-pipe. Should give me plenty of time to check with shops to do the Y-pipe modification.

 

just remember when u wrap it, take ur time and do it right it takes a while but ud rather do it once then a couple times. and just so u wont be surprized it gonna smoke a bit for the first few days. thats the heat wrap setteling down so dont get all worried wondering whats wrong, just lettin u know what to expect.

 

First, I have to start by saying that this entire thread has amused me highly. Honestly, Tanmann, I see exactly where you're coming from, and I've tossed the same moral dillemas around (however, if I'd caved enough to buy a Y-pipe, I would've put it on by now).

Anyway, reading all these posts and some of your ideas to clean your cold starting exhaust (a pourous potato? lol!) got me thinking of a better idea. You should come up with a way to electrically heat your main cat. I'm sure the battery drain would be too much to do this all the time, but with some electrical resistance to generate heat, (think of the coils on a hair dryer wrapped around your cat), you could surely heat up the cat in no time.

Better yet, wire it to a toggle switch on your dash - get in the car, flip the switch, and in 30 seconds, start the car. Of course, you'd need some massive amounts of juice to heat it up, but you'd have the only already-warm cat on a streetable car in the U.S. Just think how clean your exhaust would be then!

 

http://www.candlecorpfs.com/chafing/chafing_wick1.htm

 

Okay my man. Let me 'splain. The reason the Y-pipe is "not legal for street use" is NOT because it adds to the CO emissions. It is illegal because the Clean Air Act makes it illegal to make modifications to your car which render ineffective or remove any items installed on the car which were intended to reduce emissions output. In other words...the fact that you are removing the two pre-cats is what is illegal about the Y-Pipe, not the fact that a few more puffs of carbon monoxide are being released into the atmosphere. Once you have removed your stock y-pipe, you have broken the law. Everything else you do afterwards can't change that fact, so stop trying so hard.

 

ROFL

I said "electrically". I mean, who wants to crawl under their car and light a Sterno? Would the Sterno emit more fumes than the untreated cold-start exhaust???

 

Probably. But that's not the point! We're trying to reduce emissions out the exhaust pipe, not emissions out of a can!

 

Are you saying that there are no penalties if an individual messes around with their emissions control equipment?

 

I was about to delete that post since I'm wrong. The great majority of the CAA applies only to manufacturers, but upon re-reading section 203a...here is how it reads specifically (I have only pasted item "3" as it applies):

Sec. 203. (a) The following acts and the causing thereof are prohibited-
(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use

This clause points to my earlier comment that improving the state of emissions after removing the y-pipe does not make your modification legal. Tannmann's whole approach doesn't make the y-pipe more legal.

 

Now, here's my other theory. Although Nissan may have factory installed pre-cats to meet CAA regulations, if the vehicle can physically meet said regulations without the presence of the pre-cats, one could argue that the pre-cats were never governed by the CAA in the first place because they aren't necessary to meet emissions regulations.

In other words, would removal of the pre-cats only be illegal if it caused your vehicle to fail an emissions test. Or...is the intention of the manufacturer covered in the CAA?

 

In reality, Stillen and Cattman among others could be prosecuted for violating the CAA if it could be shown that they are conscious or "should be" conscious of the fact that their y-pipes are being used illegally by their customers based on the following...

for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use

 

I got it used for cheap as a part of a package deal. $200 for a one-year old Cattman is a pretty good deal.

I've actually seen a product like this. I think it was to pre-heat another part of the engine, but could be adapted for this purpose. Unfortunately it requires a second power source, probably a battery, which adds weight and takes up space.

Thanks for the suggestions tho .

 

Well, my concern is partly about the law and partly about the moral issue. I don't really care that there's a law that says you can't change anything before the cat, I care about the underlying reasons for the law. Specifically, altering the exhaust equipment will increase emissions and pollution, so even if I wasn't "breaking the law", I'd still be violating moral obligations.

 

http://www.pfizer.com/chc/bengay/index.htm ???

 

This would be valid except that you are almost assured to fail the emissions test on a cold start. Once you heat up the cat, you're ok. But if at any point you fail the test, I think that proves the pre-cats are necessary to meet the regulations.

 

 

Isn't the moral issue the fact that you're breaking the law?

 

Some laws are made to be broken . Unfortunately the clean air law isn't one of those .

 

Right, so if the moral issue is that you are breaking the law, then don't remove your stock y-pipe or else you are violating your own morals. I don't understand the point of your thread if you feel that violating the CAA is not acceptable. As soon as you remove your y-pipe, you have broken that law. Putting the money back doesn't mean you didn't rob the bank in the first place.

 

No, the point isn't breaking the law, it's violating the purpose of the law. That purpose is to reduce emissions to keep the air clean. Even if there wasn't a law, if it was known to be bad for the environment, then I would have a problem with it.

With the bank example, if I was robbing a corrupt bank to give money to the poor, it'd be ok. But if I robbed a bank, and the money in that bank was people's life savings and wasn't federally insured, then I'd feel bad about it.

 

Why aren't you driving a Toyota Prius or Honda Insight?

 

Better question. Why haven't you sold your Y-pipe yet?

 

He can't...that would violate his morals.

 

Tanmann9 -

If your moral issue is with pollution, then you need to sell your Maxima.

If your moral issue is with breaking the law, then you mustn't install your y-pipe.

Here's a really good one for you:

Selling your y-pipe is actually in violation of the Clean Air Act, since you will knowingly sell it to someone who intends to use it in violation of emissions laws. (see my previous post on the CAA)

Here's another good one for you:

If you sell your y-pipe to someone who intends to to violate the Clean Air Act, then you are enabling an, essentially, equal amount of additional emissions to enter the environment and thereby causing, indirectly, the same increased pollution which would seem to violate your morals.

Here's yet another:

The amount of added emissions you would contribute to the atmosphere by installing an aftermarket y-pipe is insignificant to the amount you are already passing into the atmosphere by driving your Maxima.

It seems to me...

That your only solution is to buy a Honda Insight or Toyota Prius and NOT sell your Maxima or your Y-Pipe, but lock both up in storage preventing anybody else from ever using these weapons of pollution to damage the environment.

As sarcastic as this post is...I am really just trying to show you the fault in your own morals and values based on your actions. All in good fun and intended in a brotherly, friendly sort of way. I hope I don't offend.

 

I think my best bet at this point is to melt the Cattman Y-pipe down and use it as a paper weight. Or I can throw it at your head, smarta$$. Hehe j/k. I know most people can't understand it. I hardly understand it myself, but I live by it. And I don't gotta take crap from any of you about it .

If I sold the Y-pipe, I'd make a stipulation to the buyer that they not use it except on the track. So there, smartguy .

 

Oh yes you do!

Quote:

If I sold the Y-pipe, I'd make a stipulation to the buyer that they not use it except on the track.

Oh yeah. That'll work!

 

That's like selling Osama Bin Laden a bomb with a sign on it which says, "Can't be used to blow anything up."

Oh, and by virtue of being a member of this board...you have to take crap from guys like y2kse and I.

 

yup. pre cats have to be close.

just do what i did before and are trying to do now. 1. gut or remove Pre Cats. 2. GUT or Remove Main Cat. 3. smell the fumes, watch the manatee's die, feel the power.

-steve

 

Once I list the disclaimer, I am free of all liability for what the buyer does with the item.

 

Did you learn that in law school? If you did, take your JED back and tell them you want a refund, since you are absolutely incorrect.