BMW 3, 5 series.....or Maxima 2k1, 2k2...??
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BMW 3, 5 series.....or Maxima 2k1, 2k2...??
does anyone know how the BMW 3 and 5 series match up against a 2k1 or 2k2 Maxima...??
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
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Re: BMW 3, 5 series.....or Maxima 2k1, 2k2...??
Originally posted by SoloMaxima
does anyone know how the BMW 3 and 5 series match up against a 2k1 or 2k2 Maxima...??
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
does anyone know how the BMW 3 and 5 series match up against a 2k1 or 2k2 Maxima...??
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
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If he is looking for room the max is bigger. 330 will out handle the max, not sure about faster though at least on the 2k2. The 330 is faster than the 2k - 2k1. If he is looking to mod the car I would go with a used 2k1 AE 5 speed and put a sc, flywheel, clutch, short shift, springs, fstb, RSB. Then the max would kick that sorry bmw's a$$ and be close to about the same price. If he is not looking to mod it then i would go with the 330. Actually I like bmw's but they are over priced.
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Originally posted by CO2kmax
If he is looking for room the max is bigger. 330 will out handle the max, not sure about faster though at least on the 2k2. The 330 is faster than the 2k - 2k1. If he is looking to mod the car I would go with a used 2k1 AE 5 speed and put a sc, flywheel, clutch, short shift, springs, fstb, RSB. Then the max would kick that sorry bmw's a$$ and be close to about the same price. If he is not looking to mod it then i would go with the 330. Actually I like bmw's but they are over priced.
If he is looking for room the max is bigger. 330 will out handle the max, not sure about faster though at least on the 2k2. The 330 is faster than the 2k - 2k1. If he is looking to mod the car I would go with a used 2k1 AE 5 speed and put a sc, flywheel, clutch, short shift, springs, fstb, RSB. Then the max would kick that sorry bmw's a$$ and be close to about the same price. If he is not looking to mod it then i would go with the 330. Actually I like bmw's but they are over priced.
we gonna go test drive the BMWs and than i'm gonna take her to test drive the 2k2 Maximas...she thinks that the maxima is too big...
i'm afraid that i might fall for the 3 series...
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The BMW (any of them) are in a higher class than the Maxima (any of them). Its entertaining to see people compare the Maxima to a BMW and say the Maxima will kick its butt and how overpriced the BMW is and than 5 minutes later see people cry 'enough' when someone compares a CL/TL to a Maxima.
Back on topic, the 3series will obviously handly better than the Maxima. Its all about RWD and a super stiff chassis. Two things the Maxima does not have. You can mod a Maxima to handle well, but you can only go so far with the rear suspension and weight distribution. If straight line go is the only thing that is important, than get a 2K2, if you have the money and want to handle get a B...M...W!!!
Back on topic, the 3series will obviously handly better than the Maxima. Its all about RWD and a super stiff chassis. Two things the Maxima does not have. You can mod a Maxima to handle well, but you can only go so far with the rear suspension and weight distribution. If straight line go is the only thing that is important, than get a 2K2, if you have the money and want to handle get a B...M...W!!!
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Originally posted by Maximus1000
The BMW (any of them) are in a higher class than the Maxima (any of them). Its entertaining to see people compare the Maxima to a BMW and say the Maxima will kick its butt and how overpriced the BMW is and than 5 minutes later see people cry 'enough' when someone compares a CL/TL to a Maxima.
Back on topic, the 3series will obviously handly better than the Maxima. Its all about RWD and a super stiff chassis. Two things the Maxima does not have. You can mod a Maxima to handle well, but you can only go so far with the rear suspension and weight distribution. If straight line go is the only thing that is important, than get a 2K2, if you have the money and want to handle get a B...M...W!!!
The BMW (any of them) are in a higher class than the Maxima (any of them). Its entertaining to see people compare the Maxima to a BMW and say the Maxima will kick its butt and how overpriced the BMW is and than 5 minutes later see people cry 'enough' when someone compares a CL/TL to a Maxima.
Back on topic, the 3series will obviously handly better than the Maxima. Its all about RWD and a super stiff chassis. Two things the Maxima does not have. You can mod a Maxima to handle well, but you can only go so far with the rear suspension and weight distribution. If straight line go is the only thing that is important, than get a 2K2, if you have the money and want to handle get a B...M...W!!!
which is a better buy...?
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I think the 325i is around $30K with leather, sunroof, HK sound, etc. 02 Maximas can be had for below invoice now. It absolutely kills resale though.
Personally, if I had to do it again, I'd have bought a Bimmer, but different things are important to me that may not be important to you.
Personally, if I had to do it again, I'd have bought a Bimmer, but different things are important to me that may not be important to you.
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Re: BMW 3, 5 series.....or Maxima 2k1, 2k2...??
Originally posted by SoloMaxima
does anyone know how the BMW 3 and 5 series match up against a 2k1 or 2k2 Maxima...??
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
does anyone know how the BMW 3 and 5 series match up against a 2k1 or 2k2 Maxima...??
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
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it's kinda apples to oranges tho, the max has some qualities that the bimmer doesn't like was mentioned ahead in this thread, about the room (much more than my 3), and the price difference is also a pretty big deal (also mentioned before with leather, sunroof the bimmer is pretty high in price).
If she does get a bimmer tell her to get the sport package, and not worry bout the HK system cuz as with the max's bose system, apparently there have been a few rattle issues...
i'm probably biased, but i think she should go for the bimmer
If she does get a bimmer tell her to get the sport package, and not worry bout the HK system cuz as with the max's bose system, apparently there have been a few rattle issues...
i'm probably biased, but i think she should go for the bimmer
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My friend has a 3 series...
and we usually trade off who drives going out to lunch, dinner, etc. For her, it is fine.
However, it is VERY small feeling for me (6'). For apples to apples performance considerations, yes a Max and a 3 can be compared. For room and capacity, a better comparo would be to the 5. Since there isn't a choice in the middle, choose which is more important.
Also, depending on miles driven, length of time owning the car, and the warranty available (standard and extended), pay close attention to what the repair bills could be on either of those babies. It can be scary.
Obviously, she should go with what makes her happy. Ideally, can you find an 'upscale' car rental agency that supplies vehicles typically not available on rental lots? If so, rent a 3 for a week and see what it is like day in and day out.
However, it is VERY small feeling for me (6'). For apples to apples performance considerations, yes a Max and a 3 can be compared. For room and capacity, a better comparo would be to the 5. Since there isn't a choice in the middle, choose which is more important.
Also, depending on miles driven, length of time owning the car, and the warranty available (standard and extended), pay close attention to what the repair bills could be on either of those babies. It can be scary.
Obviously, she should go with what makes her happy. Ideally, can you find an 'upscale' car rental agency that supplies vehicles typically not available on rental lots? If so, rent a 3 for a week and see what it is like day in and day out.
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3 series vs 2k2
My $.02, I had my 02 M/T dyno'd yesterday and the curves were slightly better than the 330i that came off just before me.
I seriously considered a 330i before buying my 02. The max is more of a sedan than the 330's. The 330i's easily outhandle (slalom) the max for a variety of reasons (RWD, active handling, smaller car, etc.), it also has much more of an aftermarket for mods.
I chose another Maxima mostly because of price, the Max clearly wins as its $14k less than a comparably equipped 330i, and $8k less than a 325i (which it can tromp in a straight line, and with a good driver, outhandle). You can do a lot with $14k but not enough to improve the handling to the level of the 330.
The max has much better interior room (5 adults cannot fit in a 3-series). The reliability is in favor of the Max.
Lastly, the 02 330's had a lot of people questioning if BMW screwed the handling. It appeared they dialed down the sensitivity and most people felt the 328 was a superior car.
A 5-series, or M3 are cleary out of the price range of a max (as you could have 2 max's for an M3). A more realistic comparison car is a 02 SE and a 530i. They are about the same size and have comparable engine performance. The 530 is significantly heavier and would not perform as well as the Max, and again the cost of a 530 is significantly more.
Overall, if $$$ are no concern, then go with an M5, otherwise you have a hard time beating a Maxima.
I seriously considered a 330i before buying my 02. The max is more of a sedan than the 330's. The 330i's easily outhandle (slalom) the max for a variety of reasons (RWD, active handling, smaller car, etc.), it also has much more of an aftermarket for mods.
I chose another Maxima mostly because of price, the Max clearly wins as its $14k less than a comparably equipped 330i, and $8k less than a 325i (which it can tromp in a straight line, and with a good driver, outhandle). You can do a lot with $14k but not enough to improve the handling to the level of the 330.
The max has much better interior room (5 adults cannot fit in a 3-series). The reliability is in favor of the Max.
Lastly, the 02 330's had a lot of people questioning if BMW screwed the handling. It appeared they dialed down the sensitivity and most people felt the 328 was a superior car.
A 5-series, or M3 are cleary out of the price range of a max (as you could have 2 max's for an M3). A more realistic comparison car is a 02 SE and a 530i. They are about the same size and have comparable engine performance. The 530 is significantly heavier and would not perform as well as the Max, and again the cost of a 530 is significantly more.
Overall, if $$$ are no concern, then go with an M5, otherwise you have a hard time beating a Maxima.
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I got my Max because of two things 1: "it was cheap" 2: it looks good. Yes your friend could get a Bimmer for around the same price of a fully loaded Max but in the long run the BMW will cost more to maintain. More or less with both cars she really don't have to worry to much about things going bad or breaking, but IMO I feel the Bimmer will be a better choice of the long haul.
I got my Max because of two things 1: "it was cheap" 2: it looks good. Yes your friend could get a Bimmer for around the same price of a fully loaded Max but in the long run the BMW will cost more to maintain. More or less with both cars she really don't have to worry to much about things going bad or breaking, but IMO I feel the Bimmer will be a better choice of the long haul.
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Re: 3 series vs 2k2
Originally posted by ajahearn
The max has much better interior room (5 adults cannot fit in a 3-series). The reliability is in favor of the Max.
A 5-series, or M3 are cleary out of the price range of a max (as you could have 2 max's for an M3). A more realistic comparison car is a 02 SE and a 530i. They are about the same size and have comparable engine performance. The 530 is significantly heavier and would not perform as well as the Max, and again the cost of a 530 is significantly more.
The max has much better interior room (5 adults cannot fit in a 3-series). The reliability is in favor of the Max.
A 5-series, or M3 are cleary out of the price range of a max (as you could have 2 max's for an M3). A more realistic comparison car is a 02 SE and a 530i. They are about the same size and have comparable engine performance. The 530 is significantly heavier and would not perform as well as the Max, and again the cost of a 530 is significantly more.
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Originally posted by nice95GLE
SoloMaxima
I got my Max because of two things 1: "it was cheap" 2: it looks good. Yes your friend could get a Bimmer for around the same price of a fully loaded Max but in the long run the BMW will cost more to maintain. More or less with both cars she really don't have to worry to much about things going bad or breaking, but IMO I feel the Bimmer will be a better choice of the long haul.
SoloMaxima
I got my Max because of two things 1: "it was cheap" 2: it looks good. Yes your friend could get a Bimmer for around the same price of a fully loaded Max but in the long run the BMW will cost more to maintain. More or less with both cars she really don't have to worry to much about things going bad or breaking, but IMO I feel the Bimmer will be a better choice of the long haul.
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Re: BMW 3, 5 series.....or Maxima 2k1, 2k2...??
Originally posted by SoloMaxima
does anyone know how the BMW 3 and 5 series match up against a 2k1 or 2k2 Maxima...??
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
does anyone know how the BMW 3 and 5 series match up against a 2k1 or 2k2 Maxima...??
I know the handling is probably better than us..but what about acceleration...?..any one race one of these before..??
Friend thinking of getting a BMW...trying to convince her to get a Maxima...
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I dont know too much about an M3 but the M5 take a max for dinner, I mean how can we compare a 100K car to a 30K car ? a M5 does the 0-100Km in 4.2 sec and will destroy a max even with heavy mods, dont get me wrong I love my Max but one day when I'm over with house payment I'm going to seriously consider an M5, I already drove one and it's a pretty impressive experience, Imagine you would smoke almost every sport car you see everyday, anyway just my 2 cents.
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Re: 3 series vs 2k2
Originally posted by ajahearn
Lastly, the 02 330's had a lot of people questioning if BMW screwed the handling. It appeared they dialed down the sensitivity and most people felt the 328 was a superior car.
Lastly, the 02 330's had a lot of people questioning if BMW screwed the handling. It appeared they dialed down the sensitivity and most people felt the 328 was a superior car.
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I said this before. . .only a 540 can compete with a Maxima when you consider EVERYTHING! Performace, luxury, AND roominess. Sure, the 330 will perform just a little better than a Maxima, but it costs a LOT more and doesn't have near the room (have you tried to actually sit in the back seat of a 3 series?). A 325 is the right price, but it can't compete in either the performance OR spacial arenas. The 530 comes close because it has enough room, but it's a bit short on power for its size when compared to a Maxima. If you want the room and the performance, you have to go all the way up to a 540, and then you're looking at 60 grand!
Infiniti G35 would be a very good contender in this contest! Don't overlook it.
Infiniti G35 would be a very good contender in this contest! Don't overlook it.
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BMW "The Ultimate Driving Machine". They don't call it that for nothing. There is absolutely no comparison between the manufacturers. Love my Max but: brakes suck, windshield sucks, paint sucks, stock tires suck, and the list goes on and on. I'm content with my Max to say the least. Our Max is one of the single best bang for the buck in the automotive industry. I've done numerous research and on other manufacturers, you would have to pay over $8-14K to get a car with comparable features. Quality control is not Nissan's forte. In fact if you have a problem they just plain don't give a d#$mn. That has been proven numerous times to our org members by local Nissan dealers. There is a reason that every single sedan $8-10K south or north the price of a three series is compared to it. The car is an absolute benchmark of quality and performance. Have her drive both cars and look at the quality build on those cars. If she can afford a three series then there should be no question what to buy.
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Originally posted by Mystical2k2SE
Tell your friend to get a G35... G35 Sport Coupe if she doesn't need all that room. It's a much better car than the Maxima for about the same price as a 3-series BMW.
Tell your friend to get a G35... G35 Sport Coupe if she doesn't need all that room. It's a much better car than the Maxima for about the same price as a 3-series BMW.
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relibility
I guess this depends on how you define reliability. From my perspective, reliability is the MTBF and the long term total cost of maintenance. BMW and Nissan, IMHO have about the same MTBF. I base this on my experience with my 89SE, my current 02SE, and the experiences of friends with various 3 and 5 series.
Currently BMW has "short term" (3yr I believe) maintenance covered for free but beyond that continued maintenance costs eventually exceed that of owning a Nissan.
To add insult to injury, in at least the bay area (Northern CA) you typically have to make appointments at BMW dealers weeks to months in advance. Whereas this is not the case with Nissan.
Based on readings from this BB it appears that Nissan quality has taken (or has been) bad as of late. Yet, I find the same kinds of postings on BMW BB's (primarily the 3-series) boards. I therefore feel I have to discount these readings and go on first hand accounts.
Your mileage may vary.
Currently BMW has "short term" (3yr I believe) maintenance covered for free but beyond that continued maintenance costs eventually exceed that of owning a Nissan.
To add insult to injury, in at least the bay area (Northern CA) you typically have to make appointments at BMW dealers weeks to months in advance. Whereas this is not the case with Nissan.
Based on readings from this BB it appears that Nissan quality has taken (or has been) bad as of late. Yet, I find the same kinds of postings on BMW BB's (primarily the 3-series) boards. I therefore feel I have to discount these readings and go on first hand accounts.
Your mileage may vary.
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Re: Re: 3 series vs 2k2
Originally posted by AndyXXL
Not true. 2001 3-series had overboosted steering but it was fixed for 02 models.
Not true. 2001 3-series had overboosted steering but it was fixed for 02 models.
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Re: Re: Re: 3 series vs 2k2
Originally posted by ajahearn
It was 02's that I was looking at but I do recall reading on some BMW BB's that BMW might "fix" something mid-stream of the 02's. It sounds like your confirming that they "fixed it". Too bad for those who bought the earlier 02's.
It was 02's that I was looking at but I do recall reading on some BMW BB's that BMW might "fix" something mid-stream of the 02's. It sounds like your confirming that they "fixed it". Too bad for those who bought the earlier 02's.
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Originally posted by AndyXXL
Because they are not in the same class.
Because they are not in the same class.
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comparison
Originally posted by NYC2SD
They never have the Max in any of the camparos regardless of class. I saw a recent comparo, I think in Car and Driver, and they put the Accord and Camry V-6 against the Altima. I suppose the Maxima doesn't fit into any class now that the Alty is around !
They never have the Max in any of the camparos regardless of class. I saw a recent comparo, I think in Car and Driver, and they put the Accord and Camry V-6 against the Altima. I suppose the Maxima doesn't fit into any class now that the Alty is around !
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Originally posted by CO2kmax
Actually I like bmw's but they are over priced.
Actually I like bmw's but they are over priced.
BMWs are very nice but they are *seriosly* overpriced. The base price of a 3 series looks reasonable but EVERYTHING is an option... power seats, CD ... by time you get one to a good level of options, you're spending 40k... not worth it IMO.
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Originally posted by ford5litre
AMEN!!
BMWs are very nice but they are *seriosly* overpriced. The base price of a 3 series looks reasonable but EVERYTHING is an option... power seats, CD ... by time you get one to a good level of options, you're spending 40k... not worth it IMO.
AMEN!!
BMWs are very nice but they are *seriosly* overpriced. The base price of a 3 series looks reasonable but EVERYTHING is an option... power seats, CD ... by time you get one to a good level of options, you're spending 40k... not worth it IMO.
Power seats and CD player came standard on my car, as well as a 12 speaker HK stereo.
However, all of the above are optional on 325i, and even an HK stereo is optional on M3.
#34
Originally posted by DMan_2KMax
The G35 goes for around $32K loaded which is about $5-8K less than a 330i. It is a lot of car for the bucks with performance numbers not too far behind the 330i.
The G35 goes for around $32K loaded which is about $5-8K less than a 330i. It is a lot of car for the bucks with performance numbers not too far behind the 330i.
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Re: Re: 3 series vs 2k2
Originally posted by Titleistprov21
HA, my dad has an M5, i tell him that when i turn 18 i am going to buy a Y pipe, and a S/C, then i will race him. But until them, i have a frankencar intake
HA, my dad has an M5, i tell him that when i turn 18 i am going to buy a Y pipe, and a S/C, then i will race him. But until them, i have a frankencar intake
#37
Originally posted by RastaManMax
Wait till the stick G35 comes out, it will obliterate the 330i 5sp... Right now AUTO vs STICK the G35 has nearly identical numbers as the 330i.......... with the 6sp G - It's over before it even starts...
Wait till the stick G35 comes out, it will obliterate the 330i 5sp... Right now AUTO vs STICK the G35 has nearly identical numbers as the 330i.......... with the 6sp G - It's over before it even starts...
besides, are them miniscual points/ratings and 1320 timeslips(which they tied, btw) worth that extra $$$?
#38
Originally posted by NYC2SD
They never have the Max in any of the camparos regardless of class. I saw a recent comparo, I think in Car and Driver, and they put the Accord and Camry V-6 against the Altima. I suppose the Maxima doesn't fit into any class now that the Alty is around !
They never have the Max in any of the camparos regardless of class. I saw a recent comparo, I think in Car and Driver, and they put the Accord and Camry V-6 against the Altima. I suppose the Maxima doesn't fit into any class now that the Alty is around !
I'm sure they used the Altima this time because it is new.
It seems that they do not compare the max with some of the more expensive sport sedans - such as those in the recent motor trend test - because it is lower in price. At the same time, they frequently exclude it from the accord/camry tests because it has a v-6 and they are testing 4s. A lot of this is because of Nissan's previously industry contrary marketing of its products.
It would have been interesting to see it in the motor trend test - I'd bet it would have placed mid-stream and been best buy.
Gives us a good hint at where Nissan intends to place the maxima in the future.
#39
Re: Re: 3 series vs 2k2
Originally posted by Titleistprov21
HA, my dad has an M5, i tell him that when i turn 18 i am going to buy a Y pipe, and a S/C, then i will race him. But until them, i have a frankencar intake
HA, my dad has an M5, i tell him that when i turn 18 i am going to buy a Y pipe, and a S/C, then i will race him. But until them, i have a frankencar intake
#40
Originally posted by Max_Gator
In 2000/01 they had a comparo between the max, camry, accord v-6 and the max won.
I'm sure they used the Altima this time because it is new.
It seems that they do not compare the max with some of the more expensive sport sedans - such as those in the recent motor trend test - because it is lower in price. At the same time, they frequently exclude it from the accord/camry tests because it has a v-6 and they are testing 4s. A lot of this is because of Nissan's previously industry contrary marketing of its products.
It would have been interesting to see it in the motor trend test - I'd bet it would have placed mid-stream and been best buy.
Gives us a good hint at where Nissan intends to place the maxima in the future.
In 2000/01 they had a comparo between the max, camry, accord v-6 and the max won.
I'm sure they used the Altima this time because it is new.
It seems that they do not compare the max with some of the more expensive sport sedans - such as those in the recent motor trend test - because it is lower in price. At the same time, they frequently exclude it from the accord/camry tests because it has a v-6 and they are testing 4s. A lot of this is because of Nissan's previously industry contrary marketing of its products.
It would have been interesting to see it in the motor trend test - I'd bet it would have placed mid-stream and been best buy.
Gives us a good hint at where Nissan intends to place the maxima in the future.
and Value, who can compete? Sure, M3/M5s are nice and powerful cars, but at what price?
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