Damn, I bought a 2k se auto and feel ripped. As I figure (from first hand exp.) a 2k blows. Don't get me wrong - I love the max but...I first raced my bros 97 se std and was slippin from a 20 roll to 100 - Maybe 1/4 car length loss. Raced my dad's 02 se 3.5 alti and was toast. Just don't seem right.....Maybe time to trade in

 

Y pipe. Intake. Exhaust.

 

like stated just above me, why do u not try getting MODS for the car. the auto 5th geb is as fast as a standard 4th gen, go use the search feature to find out what mods there are for the car. maybe, just maybe ull come to respect the ride a bit more. the 4th gen is lighter then the 5th, so if u really want to speed thing up a bit, get a 4th gen standard tranny, and get variable lungs (search to find out more) to balance things out a bit.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Nissan Fuc*messed up. I know that there's a natural progression for future gens to run better/faster than what I have. But when you compare the 2k to a 4th gen - auto or std or compare to a "lesser" value alti the max should come out ahead. If you compare it to chevrolet's a camero or older gen vette would beat the 02 vette - just don't make sense.

 

You're comparing your car to a 2k2 3.5SE Altima? Technically, the Altima is replacing the Maxima in this class so i wouldn't actually call it "lesser value" in any way.

Additionally, you're basically just comparing the 2k and 2k2 Maxima (2k2 Alt has the same engine) in terms of performance.

 

We own Maxima's not Vette's so what do you expect. No matter what you have there will always be something faster than what you have. You have to think about it, unless you have a car that does 0-60 in mid 5's and the 1/4mile in low 13's you're always going to have somebody being able to keep up with you and at times beat you. So just sit back and enjoy your ride and stop worrying about beating everything on the road. Besides it could be worse you could own a Civic..lol.

 

I beg to differ, the 2k auto is NOT NEARLY as fast as a 4th gen 5 speed... In fact, the 4th gen auto is probably faster than the 5th gen auto... (excluding of course 2k2's since the talk is about 2k's)

 

also figure this, the 4th gen has more low end power, and the wieghts less, total to approx 190hp. but the 5th gen has more highend power(variable lungs) and weights more 3200approx compared to about 2800. the hp to wieght is about equal so its up to the driver.

 

OK - Before this gets outa hand.... I don't think the maxima is a vette or can hang with a vette. I'm only making the comparison of a vette to a camero or (maxima vs an altima) in this case. It wouldn't make sense for a camero to beat a vette second year into a production run nor should it make sense for the alti to beat a maxima. And secondly the race with the 97 held true... we ran severall times with the same conclusion.. He is faster - not by much. I'm ok with this... but not with a alti beating the max. In my opinion I got screwed by buying the 00. Thant is not to say that I can't upgrade to the 02 or 03 and be HAPPY!

 

What's wrong with the 2k2 Alti beating a 2k Max?

 

Nothing...It's a 3.5 compared to a 3.0. This is my point with Nissan making a mistake. Is a camero a match for a vette, is a tarus a match for a mustang, is a civic a match for a accord, is a corolla a match for a camery etc.... Just don't make sence

 

ok now just to set the record straight, nothing is gonna get out of hand, im not gonna start an argument with u because u gave an opinion i dont show an1 any attitude unless im shown some. now i understand what ur sayin and im aslo stuck with an auto 2K1. its not much diff from urs, do i with a had a 2K2 or 2K3 short answer is yes, why do i not get 1 is because i would lose too much money because i got the car less then a yr ago. but the same is with u, unless u got alot of extra cash sittin at home, then ur gonna have to do as i and make due with what u got. the only thing that determines how fast or nice ur rides gonna be is the amount of money u have or are willing to invest into it. u and i and every1 here knows that. so do as u will, if u got extra cash get a 2k2 if u got alot of extra cash then get a Z06

 

I see what you're saying. However, the Alt/Max case is unique in this regard compared to all the other cars you mentioned.

As stated earlier, the Altima is taking the place of the Maxima while the 2004 Max will be moved one class up. Whenever transitions like this happen in the automotive world (PC world or anything for that matter) you can bet some overlapping to take place.

If you'll notice, Nissan made it a point to market the 2k2 Alt as a 240hp V6 while the Max a 255hp V6 just to keep the Max afloat until the new one is released. So there, technically, the Max is still at an advantage.

It doesn't make much sense to me to compare different production years of different model cars.

 

I know this all makes sence in the grand scheme of (Nissan)things ...yada - yada - yada....Just not Happy is all. I still LOVE the MAX!!! and the brethren alti - I have to admit the dual exaust looks sharp on the alti!

 

wonderfuly said. couldn't agree more

 

Did I mention that the 97 max and 02 alti was family.... I hate loosing to family!!!

 

This makes sense if you're going to replace your flagship soon. Nissan did not. Why give the Altima more interior room, IRS, and the same engine as your flagship, and let your flagship languish for two years?
Let's look at what you said. "market" the 2k2 altima is correct. Jeez. You were the one who posted the 3.5L Alt dyno vs. the 3.5L Max dyno. IT'S THE SAME ENGINE. (Or at least produces the same amount of power at the wheels.)

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=122246

My complaint (and still remains) that the introduction of the 3.5L Altima is going to kill my resale value more than anything else. Nissan didn't *have* to release the 3.5L the same year as it's introduction. They *could* have given it the 3.0L engine. It really makes me wonder what they're planning for the mid-platform freshing. (They gave the 5th gen max the 3.5L engine. What will they do for the Altima in 2004?)

I'm sure Renault had something to do with that. After all, french cars ain't got no resale value at all, so it's nothing new with them.

 

if u dont want to lose to family, then here is what u do. a a valve body upgrade, a trans cooler. after thats taken care of u then uprgrade ur fuelpump ta 255lph unit. after that all taken care of u get the vortech v2 supercharger with a 2.87 pulley (make sure the other pulleys are upgraded as well exp. idler pulley ect...) get the y-pipe and RT cat, and get a custom mad catback exhaust. thats will take care of being beatin by any family in ur area. after all those only a select few "family" members across the US will be able to touch u. if nissan doesnt fix the problem u have, and they wont. just take matters into ur own hands.

 

Since you said you just bought it I'm assuming it was pre-owned. How many miles are on it? I've read in other threads about things that can be done on the higher-mileage 2k's that can help bring them back to life. Throttle body cleaner, spark plugs, etc. This might be the cheapest and easiest mod you can do. And of course a y-pipe or intake wouldn't hurt either!

Check out this thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=101728

 

Well, they are replacing it 1st quarter of next year. But i do agree, the gap is just a tad bit too long.

And thus, why i specifically used the word "market". To the common man/woman/child figures are figures. A lot of people just take the numbers as they are. No regular person i know (e.g. not a car enthusiast) even knows that one loses HP as it makes its way down to the wheels and such. Many a times i've even encountered "silly" remarks from people saying, "Heck! I've got almost the same HP in my RSX than in your 2k2 Max!" - only to clarify things later on that i'm talking about my HP to the wheels (While the other guy is talking about HP to the crank but comparing both otherwise)

Nissan is definitely playing the marketing game with customers. Providing the Altima with a sub-par interior, making some standard equipment on the Max an option with the Alt and marketing the Alt as having 15 less hp than the Max is an obvious sign of trying to make the Max a teeeny bit more attractive to the common buyer.

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My complaint (and still remains) that the introduction of the 3.5L Altima is going to kill my resale value more than anything else... (They gave the 5th gen max the 3.5L engine. What will they do for the Altima in 2004?)

Resale does look pretty bad As far as refreshing goes, it seems the Alt will be getting a slightly better interior if anything. The 2k4 Max will definitely be getting a power bump as well as a slightly larger int/ext.

 

why dont you buy an altima?

 

Bottom line: All car manufaucterers build their cars already obsolete or one step behind the best thing. They need people to upgrade their cars every 2-4 years to keep making money. If they built technology and HP ratings that would keep up for 6 years then no one would buy new cars. Its just a fact of life we have to accept. Even if you waited and got a 2004 Maxima, you know what, in 2006 they'll probably have a horsepower upgrade!

 

This guys an idiot!!

 

I love my 2k GXE. I bought it for 17K with 22K miles. It had C&C package. Ive put RSB ($115) and FTSB ($35)... going to put a Berk intake($55 and maybe a homemade midpipe) and Ypipe. Have the Berk intake, waiting on a cheap ypipe (I just about **** a brick when I saw that group deal for budget pipes... only to discover no 5the gen). I am also going to put on tint, fog lights. Total in accessories: less than $1000 and it'll be hauling &ss and looking good. I guess if I had bought it brand new and had 7K more in it.. I might think differently. The 2k is a fine machine.

 

dude I'm with you......