What other cars did you try before buying the 04 Max?
08-11-2003, 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by lwebb12
Well I have decided against the Maxima. I went and test drove a 540i. I liked it. So I bought an M5 2000 with 28,280 miles on it.
Well I have decided against the Maxima. I went and test drove a 540i. I liked it. So I bought an M5 2000 with 28,280 miles on it.
08-11-2003, 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by JAKE02
Nice.......If you dont mind, how much did you pay? IMHO M5 is the SPORTS SEDAN!! Oh yea, what color? Man I am jealous!
Nice.......If you dont mind, how much did you pay? IMHO M5 is the SPORTS SEDAN!! Oh yea, what color? Man I am jealous!
08-11-2003, 07:09 PM
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I forgot to mention in my previous post that I also tried out a Mazda 6i. The interior was nice, but it was really slow...at least with the automatic. No way did it feel like 220hp. The magazines really seem to like it so it must be much better with the manual trans.
08-12-2003, 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by gmc74
I didn't give the Altima one look. Size and the features of the car were lacking for my taste.
I didn't give the Altima one look. Size and the features of the car were lacking for my taste.
How much smaller is it? I think it's larger than the 5th gen, and it shouldn't be too much smaller than the '04 Max because of the shared platform.
08-12-2003, 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
Better yet, if it does handle as well as a the BMW, how they achieve such a remarkable engineering feat?
Better yet, if it does handle as well as a the BMW, how they achieve such a remarkable engineering feat?
08-12-2003, 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by lwebb12
I paid 46500 with shipping to NC included. It is Dark green not the best color but i can deal with it
I paid 46500 with shipping to NC included. It is Dark green not the best color but i can deal with it
You got is cheap because it is dark green. Thats a keeper because they stoped production on the current M5 a few months ago and you will take a hit if you sell it because of the color.
08-12-2003, 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by marmadogg
The rear suspension geometry and design on the 2004 Maxima was fashion after the rear suspension on the Skyline. Obviously the components are larger.
The rear suspension geometry and design on the 2004 Maxima was fashion after the rear suspension on the Skyline. Obviously the components are larger.
But good enough to hang with RWD BMW with a great suspension as well? Doubt it.
08-12-2003, 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Blue04SEinIL
I forgot to mention in my previous post that I also tried out a Mazda 6i. The interior was nice, but it was really slow...at least with the automatic. No way did it feel like 220hp. The magazines really seem to like it so it must be much better with the manual trans.
I forgot to mention in my previous post that I also tried out a Mazda 6i. The interior was nice, but it was really slow...at least with the automatic. No way did it feel like 220hp. The magazines really seem to like it so it must be much better with the manual trans.
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08-12-2003, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
Even a fully-loaded Altima?
How much smaller is it? I think it's larger than the 5th gen, and it shouldn't be too much smaller than the '04 Max because of the shared platform.
Even a fully-loaded Altima?
How much smaller is it? I think it's larger than the 5th gen, and it shouldn't be too much smaller than the '04 Max because of the shared platform.
08-12-2003, 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by gmc74
It just seems smaller, kind of like the G35 doesn't look smaller, but it definately is. The Altima just seemed cheap to me as well. I honestly wouldn't have even stepped foot on the Nissan lot if it weren't for the new Max, I wasn't a big fan of the old Max's.
It just seems smaller, kind of like the G35 doesn't look smaller, but it definately is. The Altima just seemed cheap to me as well. I honestly wouldn't have even stepped foot on the Nissan lot if it weren't for the new Max, I wasn't a big fan of the old Max's.
Front Headroom - 40, 40.8
Rear Headroom - 37.3, 37.6
Front Legroom - 43.9, 43.9
Rear Legroom 36.5, 36.4
Front Shoulder Room - 57.9, 56.7
Rear Shoulder Room - 56.5, 56.1
As you can see, the two are very close in interior space, with the Altima actually besting the Max in the headroom department (the price paid for the Maxima's more gracefully-sloping roof line). Total interior volume is 103.6 cu. ft. for the Maxima versus 103.2 for the Altima.
I'm with you on the cheapness of the Altima interior. I hear that a fix is in the works for '04, but that's worth as much as any other internet rumor (not very much).
Jaeger
08-12-2003, 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by gmc74
It just seems smaller, kind of like the G35 doesn't look smaller, but it definately is. The Altima just seemed cheap to me as well. I honestly wouldn't have even stepped foot on the Nissan lot if it weren't for the new Max, I wasn't a big fan of the old Max's.
It just seems smaller, kind of like the G35 doesn't look smaller, but it definately is. The Altima just seemed cheap to me as well. I honestly wouldn't have even stepped foot on the Nissan lot if it weren't for the new Max, I wasn't a big fan of the old Max's.
08-12-2003, 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
Interesting and makes sense.
But good enough to hang with RWD BMW with a great suspension as well? Doubt it.
Interesting and makes sense.
But good enough to hang with RWD BMW with a great suspension as well? Doubt it.
Quote some numbers for the specific vehicle years and setups that I am discussing or your calling BS is a joke!
08-12-2003, 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Jaeger
I think the perceived differences are greater than the actual differences. Here are some comparative dimensions (in inches), Maxima SE followed by Altima SE: (source: msn autos)
Front Headroom - 40, 40.8
Rear Headroom - 37.3, 37.6
Front Legroom - 43.9, 43.9
Rear Legroom 36.5, 36.4
Front Shoulder Room - 57.9, 56.7
Rear Shoulder Room - 56.5, 56.1
As you can see, the two are very close in interior space, with the Altima actually besting the Max in the headroom department (the price paid for the Maxima's more gracefully-sloping roof line). Total interior volume is 103.6 cu. ft. for the Maxima versus 103.2 for the Altima.
I'm with you on the cheapness of the Altima interior. I hear that a fix is in the works for '04, but that's worth as much as any other internet rumor (not very much).
Jaeger
I think the perceived differences are greater than the actual differences. Here are some comparative dimensions (in inches), Maxima SE followed by Altima SE: (source: msn autos)
Front Headroom - 40, 40.8
Rear Headroom - 37.3, 37.6
Front Legroom - 43.9, 43.9
Rear Legroom 36.5, 36.4
Front Shoulder Room - 57.9, 56.7
Rear Shoulder Room - 56.5, 56.1
As you can see, the two are very close in interior space, with the Altima actually besting the Max in the headroom department (the price paid for the Maxima's more gracefully-sloping roof line). Total interior volume is 103.6 cu. ft. for the Maxima versus 103.2 for the Altima.
I'm with you on the cheapness of the Altima interior. I hear that a fix is in the works for '04, but that's worth as much as any other internet rumor (not very much).
Jaeger
Rear Headroom - 37.3, 37.637.9
Front Legroom - 43.9, 43.9, 43.6
Rear Legroom 36.5, 36.4, 33.6
Front Shoulder Room - 57.9, 56.7, 56.4
Rear Shoulder Room - 56.5, 56.1, 55.5
I listed the G35 numbers third, and as you can see they aren't very different either. One of the reasons I didn't buy the G35 was because I felt squished in it, I could feel a noticable difference in it, as many others here have also said.
08-13-2003, 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by marmadogg
A 2004 Nissan Maxima SE definitely can hang with a 2001 330i without the sport package (sport wheels and sport suspension). The tires they put on the standard 330i are 205s all around. That car broke free much too often (I know because I had one). I will agree that the 2004 Maxima SE would not easily hang with a 2001 330i with the sport package but it would be much, much closer than you think. A drivers race as they say. The 2002 330i w/ sport pkg would pull away from the Max.
Quote some numbers for the specific vehicle years and setups that I am discussing or your calling BS is a joke!
A 2004 Nissan Maxima SE definitely can hang with a 2001 330i without the sport package (sport wheels and sport suspension). The tires they put on the standard 330i are 205s all around. That car broke free much too often (I know because I had one). I will agree that the 2004 Maxima SE would not easily hang with a 2001 330i with the sport package but it would be much, much closer than you think. A drivers race as they say. The 2002 330i w/ sport pkg would pull away from the Max.
Quote some numbers for the specific vehicle years and setups that I am discussing or your calling BS is a joke!
is a joke...can you find any quotes of your own?
So Maxima with the "sport package" can hang with a base 330i, and stay somewhat close to the 330i with sport package.
If a 330i Sport can take a G35, does that mean the Max SE can run right with Nissan's own G35?
08-13-2003, 09:43 AM
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Car and Driver, by way of Yahoo Autos has the 5sp Auto 330i at 7.3 seconds for 0-60. The other numbers they have listed as from the BMW are for the auto with the Performance package, 5.9 seconds. And the Manual (I am guessing with out the Performance package) at 6.4.
If you are talking straight speed, then yes it can hang. and it has a top end at 140 rather than 128 on the BMW.
If you are talking straight speed, then yes it can hang. and it has a top end at 140 rather than 128 on the BMW.
08-13-2003, 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
I guess my is a joke...can you find any quotes of your own?
So Maxima with the "sport package" can hang with a base 330i, and stay somewhat close to the 330i with sport package.
If a 330i Sport can take a G35, does that mean the Max SE can run right with Nissan's own G35?
I guess my
is a joke...can you find any quotes of your own?So Maxima with the "sport package" can hang with a base 330i, and stay somewhat close to the 330i with sport package.
If a 330i Sport can take a G35, does that mean the Max SE can run right with Nissan's own G35?
What would you like me to quote...skidpad results? I did. I said nothing about slalom. You brought up slalom.
Your statements are irrelevant to what I am discussing.
Have you ever driven a 3-series as a daily driver? I have.
You do not have to believe me. I do not care enough to convince you.
BMWs are over rated. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
08-13-2003, 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by gmc74
Car and Driver, by way of Yahoo Autos has the 5sp Auto 330i at 7.3 seconds for 0-60. The other numbers they have listed as from the BMW are for the auto with the Performance package, 5.9 seconds. And the Manual (I am guessing with out the Performance package) at 6.4.
If you are talking straight speed, then yes it can hang. and it has a top end at 140 rather than 128 on the BMW.
Car and Driver, by way of Yahoo Autos has the 5sp Auto 330i at 7.3 seconds for 0-60. The other numbers they have listed as from the BMW are for the auto with the Performance package, 5.9 seconds. And the Manual (I am guessing with out the Performance package) at 6.4.
If you are talking straight speed, then yes it can hang. and it has a top end at 140 rather than 128 on the BMW.
08-13-2003, 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by marmadogg
You are refuting my skidpad statements. The onus is on you.
What would you like me to quote...skidpad results? I did. I said nothing about slalom. You brought up slalom.
Your statements are irrelevant to what I am discussing.
Have you ever driven a 3-series as a daily driver? I have.
You do not have to believe me. I do not care enough to convince you.
BMWs are over rated. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
You are refuting my skidpad statements. The onus is on you.
What would you like me to quote...skidpad results? I did. I said nothing about slalom. You brought up slalom.
Your statements are irrelevant to what I am discussing.
Have you ever driven a 3-series as a daily driver? I have.
You do not have to believe me. I do not care enough to convince you.
BMWs are over rated. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
Whether you drove a 330i daily is irrelevant, as it does not contribute to any numbers comparison.
It's fine with me if you don't care...I don't take it personally in the first place.
Overrated or overpriced?
There must be some reason the professional reviewers rave over this car year after year. Where is the Maxima?
08-13-2003, 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
I am not questioning or doubting skidpad #s. I just happen to believe that slalom #s are a better judge of HANDLING, which is what we are ultimately discussing.
Whether you drove a 330i daily is irrelevant, as it does not contribute to any numbers comparison.
It's fine with me if you don't care...I don't take it personally in the first place.
Overrated or overpriced?
There must be some reason the professional reviewers rave over this car year after year. Where is the Maxima?
I am not questioning or doubting skidpad #s. I just happen to believe that slalom #s are a better judge of HANDLING, which is what we are ultimately discussing.
Whether you drove a 330i daily is irrelevant, as it does not contribute to any numbers comparison.
It's fine with me if you don't care...I don't take it personally in the first place.
Overrated or overpriced?
There must be some reason the professional reviewers rave over this car year after year. Where is the Maxima?
08-14-2003, 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
oooh, bad-a$$ high-roller.
Getting desperate and going personal...are you sure you don't care?
Pathetic.
oooh, bad-a$$ high-roller.
Getting desperate and going personal...are you sure you don't care?
Pathetic.
08-14-2003, 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by marmadogg
If you associate your self worth with the car you drive then I feel sorry for you.
If you associate your self worth with the car you drive then I feel sorry for you.
If I were so pathetic & desperate, I might be driving a 330i or '04 Maxima.
So is there any reason to bring my old POS 1991 GXE into the discussion?
08-15-2003, 11:41 AM
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The Maxima SE beats the snot out of the BMW (non-sport) in handling!
Maxima SE BMW 330i(non-sport)
Skidpad: .84G .83G
Slalom: 62mph 61.9mph
P.S. This is true regardless of what car I drive, used to drive, or drive in the future!
Maxima SE BMW 330i(non-sport)
Skidpad: .84G .83G
Slalom: 62mph 61.9mph
P.S. This is true regardless of what car I drive, used to drive, or drive in the future!
08-16-2003, 09:37 AM
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Re: Re: I own a 330i
Originally posted by JAKE02
I find it hard to believe the 04 Maxima handles just as well as your BMW 330i.
I find it hard to believe the 04 Maxima handles just as well as your BMW 330i.
08-16-2003, 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
The Maxima SE beats the snot out of the BMW (non-sport) in handling!
Maxima SE BMW 330i(non-sport)
Skidpad: .84G .83G
Slalom: 62mph 61.9mph
The Maxima SE beats the snot out of the BMW (non-sport) in handling!
Maxima SE BMW 330i(non-sport)
Skidpad: .84G .83G
Slalom: 62mph 61.9mph
Jaeger
08-17-2003, 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by CoolMax
The Maxima SE beats the snot out of the BMW (non-sport) in handling!
Maxima SE BMW 330i(non-sport)
Skidpad: .84G .83G
Slalom: 62mph 61.9mph
P.S. This is true regardless of what car I drive, used to drive, or drive in the future!
The Maxima SE beats the snot out of the BMW (non-sport) in handling!
Maxima SE BMW 330i(non-sport)
Skidpad: .84G .83G
Slalom: 62mph 61.9mph
P.S. This is true regardless of what car I drive, used to drive, or drive in the future!
08-17-2003, 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Jaeger
Let's see - 1/100th of a g and 1/10th mph = "beats the snot out of.."? I don't think so. I find it hard to believe that one could actually perceive such small differences, even though they are measurable. Those numbers tend to support the view that the two are almost dead even, rather than to establish a definitive and decisive victory for the Maxima.
Jaeger
Let's see - 1/100th of a g and 1/10th mph = "beats the snot out of.."? I don't think so. I find it hard to believe that one could actually perceive such small differences, even though they are measurable. Those numbers tend to support the view that the two are almost dead even, rather than to establish a definitive and decisive victory for the Maxima.
Jaeger
08-18-2003, 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by gmc74
Jaeger, these are the same people that claim they can feel the difference between 87 and 91 octane, as it relates to performance.
Jaeger, these are the same people that claim they can feel the difference between 87 and 91 octane, as it relates to performance.
"Those people" sure are silly!
08-18-2003, 07:37 AM
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Re: Re: Re: I own a 330i
Originally posted by cefiro a32
The max does not handle anywhere close to the 330i.
The max does not handle anywhere close to the 330i.
Look what happened to me: I doubted, I researched, and I proved myself wrong.
If it wasn't my 1991 S box!
08-18-2003, 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Jaeger
Let's see - 1/100th of a g and 1/10th mph = "beats the snot out of.."? I don't think so. I find it hard to believe that one could actually perceive such small differences, even though they are measurable. Those numbers tend to support the view that the two are almost dead even, rather than to establish a definitive and decisive victory for the Maxima.
Jaeger
Let's see - 1/100th of a g and 1/10th mph = "beats the snot out of.."? I don't think so. I find it hard to believe that one could actually perceive such small differences, even though they are measurable. Those numbers tend to support the view that the two are almost dead even, rather than to establish a definitive and decisive victory for the Maxima.
Jaeger
"beats the snot of" was my lame attempt at sarcasm in response to marmadogg, who seemed to be getting a little cranky because of my challenge; just follow the thread.
