'04 Max SE finishes dead last in sport sedan comparison...
09-17-2003, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lightonthehill
Those suggesting the Maxima is now aimed at an older clientel are correct if talking about the Maxima tested in the article - the SL. It is specifically aimed at folks who want a little softer ride at some sacrafice of handling and general performance. It is the perfect car for those who plan on making lots of freeway trips, or do mostly normal driving, and aren't into agressive driving.
The SE, however, is not aimed at old folks. It is very responsive, and can be driven hard on highways or byways. It adapts well to agressive driving.
From my point of view, the selection of this set of cars for this test is a total joke. Comparing of cars varying by over half a thousand pounds in weight, and differing in interior room by more than twenty-five percent is meaningless.
There are several cars here that I would not pay $100 for. I'm not interested in a cramped hot rod that turns on a dime, but breaks my teeth on every bump.
Not relavent to the test, but some of these cars in the test would not impress me sitting in a driveway. Many of them could drive by and draw no look from anyone. The '04 Maxima impresses me anywhere and everywhere I see it. I see other folks looking hard at the new Max also.
The SE, however, is not aimed at old folks. It is very responsive, and can be driven hard on highways or byways. It adapts well to agressive driving.
From my point of view, the selection of this set of cars for this test is a total joke. Comparing of cars varying by over half a thousand pounds in weight, and differing in interior room by more than twenty-five percent is meaningless.
There are several cars here that I would not pay $100 for. I'm not interested in a cramped hot rod that turns on a dime, but breaks my teeth on every bump.
Not relavent to the test, but some of these cars in the test would not impress me sitting in a driveway. Many of them could drive by and draw no look from anyone. The '04 Maxima impresses me anywhere and everywhere I see it. I see other folks looking hard at the new Max also.
06-27-2004, 04:03 PM
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How is it the TSX comes in first? I tested a TSX before I went with my Max, frankly I think the TSX is a Civic with style, but that's it. A G35 is not in the same league as the Acura, and the Grand Prix just felt cheap when I drove that. Sorry this is an article I'm glad to have missed.
06-27-2004, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SteVTEC
Most of those cars are much smaller and more nimble, and most are RWD or AWD, not FWD. I don't even know why the Maxima and GTP were included. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Mazda 6s FWD?
If that's the case, 5 of the 12 cars are FWD. How could you say "most" are RWD or AWD. Don't mean to sound like a troll, but the fact is that the Maxima has become:
1. Too big (size)
2. Too fat (weight)
3. Too expensive
4. Not that great of a handler
5. Too much torque steer
Other than having pretty decent straight ahead speed, for the money, I too would of put is near the bottom of the list. But probably ahead of the GTP.
06-27-2004, 04:40 PM
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First and foremost the Maxima is not a car that is meant to be compared to an EVO. If I wanted a car that acted/performed like an EVO I would have bought one. The Maxima gets praised in the article for what it is good at (Ex/ The highway performance/ off ramps etc.) Yes the Maxima can handle well if taken to its limits but It is not meant to run against half of these cars. Will the Maxima Smoke 90% of these cars 0-60 Yes, but the comparision is still off base. The article does not credit the cars total package as people have spoke of. It carries 5 people comfortable and quickly to whatever destination is in mind. It is reliable and stylish. Last Place overall I do not think so. Everyone needs to keep in mind that the Maxima is not a race car and because of such, when it is compared it needs all of its attributes to be considered. You want speed, the Maxima will deliver. You want the ride to be comfortable, the Maxima will deliver. You want reliablity, the Maxima will deliver. You want Class, the Maxima Will deliver. I am sure everyone understands what I am getting at. Don't take some Bogus article that completely distorts the bigger picture of this great car as fact.
06-27-2004, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NICKSE
First and foremost the Maxima is not a car that is meant to be compared to an EVO. If I wanted a car that acted/performed like an EVO I would have bought one. The Maxima gets praised in the article for what it is good at (Ex/ The highway performance/ off ramps etc.) Yes the Maxima can handle well if taken to its limits but It is not meant to run against half of these cars. Will the Maxima Smoke 90% of these cars 0-60 Yes, but the comparision is still off base. The article does not credit the cars total package as people have spoke of. It carries 5 people comfortable and quickly to whatever destination is in mind. It is reliable and stylish. Last Place overall I do not think so. Everyone needs to keep in mind that the Maxima is not a race car and because of such, when it is compared it needs all of its attributes to be considered. You want speed, the Maxima will deliver. You want the ride to be comfortable, the Maxima will deliver. You want reliablity, the Maxima will deliver. You want Class, the Maxima Will deliver. I am sure everyone understands what I am getting at. Don't take some Bogus article that completely distorts the bigger picture of this great car as fact.
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06-27-2004, 09:18 PM
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Good posts, NICKSE and rnupetroop.
Of the strange assortment of cars tested, other than the Maxima, I only drove the G35. The others were not suitable for my needs. I frequenty find I have my wife, son, daughter and son-in-law in the car with me, and we are all full-size adults. I also drove the TL, but don't see it listed in the test.
The G35 is a beautifully designed car, and impressed me very much. But the Maxima felt roomier to me, both in front and back seats. It gave me a feeling of space I did not get in the G35. I also felt the Maxima styling was very attractive, and even more eye-catching than the G35.
Best of all, I was able to deal better with the Nissan folks than the Infiniti folks.
The primary Maxima criticism of some of the mags a year ago was the torque steer. I tested a new 6 speed the month the '04 Maxima came out, and noticed some torque steer, but nothing that bothered me. The '04 SL I bought has never exhibited the first trace of torque steer.
Critics also ridicule the '4 door sport sedan' terminology as no longer applicable. It just so happens that when Nissan took the Maxima to the near-luxury level (with the intro of the '04), they dropped the '4 door sports sedan' from their advertising.
I can only smile when I think about how that particular assemblage of vehicles were chosen for comparison. Somebody was clearly uninformed, and evidently did not have time to become informed.
But the deadline for printing required that something fill the pages. Too bad the tests only prove that apples edged oranges, with bananas nudging rutabagas for third. Okra and BBQ had no chance.
Of the strange assortment of cars tested, other than the Maxima, I only drove the G35. The others were not suitable for my needs. I frequenty find I have my wife, son, daughter and son-in-law in the car with me, and we are all full-size adults. I also drove the TL, but don't see it listed in the test.
The G35 is a beautifully designed car, and impressed me very much. But the Maxima felt roomier to me, both in front and back seats. It gave me a feeling of space I did not get in the G35. I also felt the Maxima styling was very attractive, and even more eye-catching than the G35.
Best of all, I was able to deal better with the Nissan folks than the Infiniti folks.
The primary Maxima criticism of some of the mags a year ago was the torque steer. I tested a new 6 speed the month the '04 Maxima came out, and noticed some torque steer, but nothing that bothered me. The '04 SL I bought has never exhibited the first trace of torque steer.
Critics also ridicule the '4 door sport sedan' terminology as no longer applicable. It just so happens that when Nissan took the Maxima to the near-luxury level (with the intro of the '04), they dropped the '4 door sports sedan' from their advertising.
I can only smile when I think about how that particular assemblage of vehicles were chosen for comparison. Somebody was clearly uninformed, and evidently did not have time to become informed.
But the deadline for printing required that something fill the pages. Too bad the tests only prove that apples edged oranges, with bananas nudging rutabagas for third. Okra and BBQ had no chance.
06-28-2004, 12:49 AM
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You guys, it's just a comparison. Depending on their criteria, any one of the twelve could have been first. If it were a pure performnace test, the EVO hands down would be on top of the list.
Like you guys are saying, if they did not post a lot of info on thier criteria, then it could have been anything that made the TSX number one.
Like you guys are saying, if they did not post a lot of info on thier criteria, then it could have been anything that made the TSX number one.
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