whats faster?

 

The Max is, but Pontiac will never admit it...

 

as far as i know the best stock 04 gtp 1/4 mile time ive seen is 14.7 something

 

That was stock? I've never seen an '04 GTP run that fast yet, but the last time I ran one (Commerce Raceway) I was slow as dogsh1t myself (15.2's as opposed to 14.7's). It might have been the track, but I know I finished ahead of him...

 

The 04GTP is a very nice car, i drove the snot out of one before i decided to buy the MAX...My opinion is they would be dead nuts in the 1/4.....BUT change the pully on the GTP, add an CAI, and you will be looking at low 14-s I chose the MAX for the engine, the looks, and the proven quality of the Max....

 

The pontiac isnt even in tha same class as the maxima as far as technology or looks...I would not car if the thing drive at jet speed it still and ugly pontiac....Why wants to drive the bonervilles little brother

 

They're equally fast, IIRC both are electronically limited to somewhere in the 130-140mph range.

Now as for who is quicker... that's a drivers game.

 

I'm not sure thats true. I've read in at least two publications the 04's top speed is actually drag limited. One mag said 145 the other 147mph.

 

Which would still put it in the same league as the Maxima. (Assuming it's properly equipped - e.g. tires)

 

Car and Driver lists the top speed of the 04 Max at 140. This sounds electronically limited to me. Anyone in Germany reading this that can test it out for us?

 

Whenever that commercial comes on for the new Pontiacs w/ Comp-G or whatever my friends all grin at me cause it says it out-accelerates the '04 Maxima and they know what a hard core Max fan I am. I'd like to see the data from the tests they supposedly did.

 

Slap a supercharger on the max and let the fun really begin...

I couldn't get past the cheapness of the GP's interior, and the poor styling.

 

my friend could not get over 137 in his 04 max 5speed

 

I was in the Pontiac dealership the other day checking out GTO stuff.. and on this poster I see the GTP Comp G's comparisons and what it beat... It said 03 ALTIMA 3.5 SE .... 16.7 1/4MILE I had to take a double take on that one... 16.7???? with the 3.5??? GM testers are on CRACK. Thats why I dont believe their claims.. besides.. a NA 3.5 producing 265hp and 255 TORQUE is amazing.. I pointed it out to the sales guy and he shrugged... cause my maxima has beaten his 01 GTP many times Take the 04 3.5SE 6spd vs. Gomp G or whatever and I'll say the maxima will edge it out.

 

The GTP does a cool burnout though.

 

The 04 GTP is not any faster than the previous model. Its a drivers race either way if its auto vs auto with the advantage going to the maxima if equipped with the 5spd auto. The 4spd auto Maxima wouldn't have any advantage.

 

You guys think the only way we can beat you is because of our superchargers? LOL!!! You guys have a 6spd manual with nicer gearing, vs our 4spd autos with 2.93's. You guys have twin cams, with more valves to breathe better. Your engines are more technically advanced than our "dinosaur" 231c.i. single cam pushrod technology. And yet, you think our miniscule (the most inneficient roots style) blower with 6-7lbs boost stock is the only way we can beat you? Grow up, you guys have the advantage!! Believe it or not!!

Go over to Clubgp.com and look up stock times. You think the best a stock GTP can do is 14.7? We got most guys doing mid 14's average, and many in the low 14's. factory freaks get into the 13's with just slicks. Other than that no modifications. And if you don't believe the times, think about this: WE HAVE 60lbs tq at the wheels over you. The reason you guys can keep up with us after 60mph is because you have better gearing and better topend. Our hp at the wheels is dead even with you guys at 195 or so.
I'm not here to flame you guys, Maxima's are nice cars and they are great competition to GTP's. But 14.7 is not the fastest. More like average. Sorry.

Hey, I'm just protecting my interests. You say you've beaten tons of stock GTP's, race someone that can drive the thing. Please, reply calling me a troll. I'm just reading up on your cars to gain some knowledge. I suggest you do the same for ours.

 

I think you've just helped to prove very nicely the point that the Maxima is superior in every way to any Pontiac. Why the hell would we want to go over to some web site and learn about a Pontiac??? You say you're not trying to flame anyone but it sure sounds like you're looking for trouble to me. You want us to call you a Troll? You said it, not us. Go trade in your Pontiac tin can, buy a real car and come back so we can have a meaningful discussion.

 

Nice mature response.....he didnt trash the max so give the guy a break.....

 

i'm watching this.....

 

04 GTP sucks because its american, butt ugly and because it needs a supercharger to keep up with maximas. 04 maxima sucks because its butt ugly and it cant keep up with an 03. So what you have left with is if you like your car or not... if you do, then it doesnt matter what anyone else thinks.... Good think i hear about the gtp is you drop in a pulley and its all over... Also, I hear that the engine isnt too good, i have a friend who has a gtp, and he thinks my 03 maxima engine is 100X better..... Maxima may not be as quick as the new gtp, but it looks a lot better.

I see these people who think they are bad *** because they have a gtp, thats why i have beat several of them... and my car is stock.

 

Relaxe "dude"...where are you from anyway?? What's w/ the anti-American tone? I prefer the Max over the GTP also, but your 'opinions' seem a little harsh. As a former 5th gen owner (loved it) I can say that it was truely butt ugly...I mean that rear end was U-G-L-Y.

 

I'm a GTP fan myself also. Actually, I'm a fan of a lot of cars.

According to some other GTP guys there are only a "few" low-14 stock GTPs and that those are the factory freaks, not "many". I have never heard of stock GTPs being in the low-14's as a common thing. I'd love to be proven wrong though, so please link me to relevant threads at ClubGP and I'll check them out when I get a moment.

 

The Maxima is God's Chariot...he should be worshipping it.

 

To get the good times out of a GTP, don't you have to start with the tranny in 2nd? Well, shifter in 2nd, but it still starts in 1st gear I assume (duh). I thought I read or heard that with the shifter in 2nd it would allow an extra 1-2 psi of boost in 1st gear and that's how the GTP guys get the good times. Otherwise with a street launch in "D" or whatever I think they only run about 15-flat but I could be wrong.

Any info on that, GTPguy?


I think the only people that would know that (if true) are those that are on forums, so if you run into just a regular Joe on the street a Max will probably beat it. But if it's a forum guy who knows what's up and understands the car it would be much more interesting I think.


It's sorta like the 00-01 automagic Max's with the crappy 6000rpm shift point when peak power is up at 6400 rpm. 16-flat with the shifter in "D", but mid-15's with manual shifting at the limiter (an extra 600 rpm). Only forum people would really understand that once again. To ge the most out of a car you really do need to understand it, and that's why forums like these are great.

 

OT but shouldnt SteVTEC be a mod of this forum...he is here ALL the time

 

I love these forums... Im a fourm junkie... I get in to read posts daily, lots of useful information...

I like the GTP's... the older gen before this new one. As for factory freaks, every car company has freak models... As a factory freak owner ( i think ) Its great! right Blubyu2k2???

 

the new gtp is a very nice car... ive been going on that site clubgp... the new one as far as i can tell is alittle slower than the old gtp... i think an avg time for the new gtp is low 15s.. but an above avg one will do mid 14s well driven.. basicly the same as the new max.. we have seen low 15s down to mid 14s... both are nice cars.. ones american ones japenese... this topic shouldnt get out of hand..

 

quick thing the new max iss just as fast as the new gtp... i can prove it..

 

if chevy wouldve dropped a DOHC on the 3.8 it would yield great power- but the prehistoric single overhead cam w/ a supercharger has its limits-
I mean shyt- a naturally aspirated 3.5 DOHC can
hang/spank one

 

Aren't both cars made in the US anyways?

 

yup

ignorance of some people is crazy (about the guy who tried dissing the GTP because it was built here in the USA)

 

uhhmmm...the L67 is a pushrod OHV with a single block-mounted cam. It's not a SOHC design.

As for prehistoric pushrod engines, just look at the LS1 and the new Dodge Hemi.

 

I am antiamerican to american cars because they havent proved to me to be a good investment... If I bout a car to be patriot, then I am the loser because for the same amount I can buy a good quality and reliable car like the maxima. I know people are saying "well, american cars are catching up".. thats the problem, japanese are already there, and have been there. I have owned many american cars, and i am fed up with it, when I first bought and accord, i fell in love, and then I got a 5th gen maxima and I was just amazed..... dont get me wrong, I love the trans am, thats my favorite car, but its cheap. Also, nissan is loosing it, using cheap stuff in the altima.. I agree that the 5th gen back was butt ugly, but overal i liked it because it kinda reminded me of the skyline... and it look good overal inside and out.

 

My bad man, the old gtp was quick with 240, i just thought since they have 260 this year theyd be quicker....guess not. I just dont understand why the hell nissan made the 6th gen slower then the 5th gen, that seems to **** a lot of people off.... but i like the inside alot.

 

yeah, i meant american as in american auto makers.

 

point? prove its a better quality car then the accord, maxima, camry, TL, and I will apologize.

 

I cant take it any more! If a Maxima owner can match these numbers, please let me know.

http://www.robry.org/~skza/cperki1/1.jpg
http://www.robry.org/~skza/cperki1/14.jpg
http://www.robry.org/~skza/cperki1/22.jpg

 

what does it mean when the max torque is 591?

 

In my case, it meant the dyno tech was on crack. He measured "axle" torque and not wheel torque.

Wheel torque is aprx 1/2 of axle torque. If any of you dyno your cars, you will see how hard it is to get an accurate WTQ reading because a FWD car try to climb out of the roller pit.