And the real world measurement is where???? Thanks

Or did you mean taking the engine out and using an engine dyno.

 

Guess you decline to answer this one...

 

I wasn't talking to you..sorry, but thanks for the insult... kinda goes with this forum so far

 

Instead of splitting hairs here, what exactly is your argument?

Mine was that they (NPM) typically state whp, and in that particular article, made no mention of it, and went on to say that a cammed Atlima had 260 hp, and we, being enthusiasts know what mods do what, and 260 is about what would seem if the JWT gives the claimed 15 Whp since most bolt on Maximas are in the 230-240 range....

I say that 260fwhp is bogus in correlation to the time... This was corrected from SR20's information about the TS dyno and NPM correction.

I say dyno and track times speak for themselve

 

And your image is just great now too. Welcome to maxima.org

 

Perhaps you should quote specifically the person you're talking to as to avoid confusion. This is exactly how fights get started. Sorry.

Also, you did attempt to insult me first by assuming that didn't bother reading the articles.

 

I guess we are in somewhat of an agreement, except I don't put much value in track times anyways..too many variables..they speak more to the drivers ability

They obvioulsy corrected the early whp statements...which actually says a lot about them in my book

 

That certainly wasn't directed to you.. you obviously read them

 

Can someone please explain to me how a injen dyno sheet says anything about NPM when they don't have any articles on Injen intakes?

I can't find any...

 

2 more posts and you won't have to do reply to this thread anymore.

 

Nice answer... thanks for that verification

Didn't you and someone else say that was some sort of proof NPM faked dyno charts? Seems funny because I can't find any Injen intake articles over there.

 

This thread never should have spilled over there in the first place. We had enough drama aready. Nothing is going to be proven now with this ten angle subject matter.

 

You obviously did not read the whole thread, Injen has nothng to do with NPM. That was another argument in and of itself. The original argument about NPM was them posting "dynographs" made in microsoft excel.

Stay out of this, lest you be caught in the crossfire.

 

Agreed, however it shed light on the intricacies of their "operation"

 

so what CAI should I get? I want mad horses y0!








I popped in my K&N panel, no problems. Let's just leave it at intakes sound good, look good, and possibly are less restrictive.

I see this going no further until guys pay up to get their cars dynoed w/ and w/o them.

 

I have already offered to do the test with full documentation

 

So ... what are you getting at?



And I'm willing to donate to the price.

 

So what intake are we gonna test, and who is gonna donate?

 

I say go for the Nismo CAI, if not the AEM since we have a "dyno" for comparison I got 5 on it.

 

I'll add 5 also, but I would suggest the JWT POP charger.

 

I just installed the injen cold air on my 04 SE 6 spd, and the sound from it alone is crazy. It's not too noticable at lower revs but once you rev it past about 4k rpm the sound it makes is amazing. I could not really tell much of a difference hp wise but for the money it should be everyone's first mod. Also i've only had my max for a week before i put the intake on so that might be why I can't tell a differnce in power. The box it came in said stock hp was 207 and with the intake it was 217hp.

 

Curious...did they specify auto or manual when they claimed that a 2004+ Maxima's stock WHP was 207?

That's about a 22% loss.

 

for an SL 4at, thats just about right....

 

It did not say manual or auto but either way that's a huge loss of hp.

 

From what, the advertised crank #? Get used to it.... because it's normal.

 

why don't you get dyno'd and find out.

 

They already responded to that...http://www.nissanforums.com/showthre...866#post971866

Your argument holds no water and certainly doesn't prove any sort of fake or cover up..



see above... even if it was just written text it wouldn't be evidence of a fake.

wrong..... send 5 minites and make some comparisions.... yea you're wrong again


I did... your personal opnion of them is is just that.... opinion

Funny because a lot of other dyno meets and such, show you are wrong. Maybe it's your car.

I see you never responded to the other person that asked you about Team RTR.... hmm Factory Nissan Race Team....wrong again

Wrong again... All CAI's go into the fender wheel well not just the Place Racing version.. A JWT POP is a WAI... And PR only used the Monster Filters the last year or two before stopping production of CAI's

I see your reaction when others catch you in BS, so I don't expect to last past this post... which makes a statement all by itself.. I would prefer a moderator that uses common sense before making accusations he can't back up...

done with this thread....

 

Um.....I think you're a little late into this thread. You MIGHT wanna go back and read thru it. The fact that they say their results are real does not make it so. I dynoed 596whp in my 03 maxima with just a PRCAI and stock exhaust. Let me go make you an excel dynograph to prove it.

The whole point was, why make it in excel if you can just post the dynagraph?

Have you ever used a dynapack machine? The printout does not look anything like what was posted. In fact, it looks like the graph off the side of a box.

I guess you missed the whoe JWT ecu thing a while back.....it would be wise to go read other forums besides the "almighty" 6th gen forum


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Funny because a lot of other dyno meets and such, show you are wrong. Maybe it's your car.
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Got the graphs to prove it?


Who asked me, and where? Second, RTR = real time racing.....Peter cunninghams racing team. There is nothing factory about it. Might wanna check your facts again champ.



There has only been one real CAI so far...Place Racing. Also...they all came with monsterflows if you purchased them via retail. If you got them via a Group Deal, they came with K&Ns. If you still have doubts, call Jonathan Huerta...the guy who ran PR. When did I ever say JWT was a CAI?


Ive backed up everything I have said thus far....so far, noone else has. Including you. If you wish to challenge my claims, go to a dyno shop and perform the said testing yourself instead of suckling from the media teat. You can be done with this thread, and the .org.....we dont need ignorant people like you around.

 

Dude, you have some great info and a lot of us 6 Gen dudes listen to what you have to say, the "almighty" B/S should have been skipped, in is not what the majority thinks, but is a great comment if your intention is to tune most of us out... Stay professional, you’ll always be heard...

 

what exactly are you contributing to this forum? your only 15 posts are in this thread and all you do is question others adding absolutely nothing worth while. let me find out you have a second account to help yourself argue or continue to spew crap. Your stay will be short lived.

 

This thread has long since lost it's productivity. I vote that it be locked and everyone run off to other threads.

 

It was meant as a way to highlight the fact that he doesnt read anything. I mean no disrespect to the 6th gen forum or its fine members.

 

he was right the way he said it. just observe how many threads I have to move everyday. It's a direct reflection of how many are unaware of other forums.
All these questions about mods.... plenty can be learned in the Nitrous and All Motor forums.

questions about soap... Detailing!

stereos.... Audio/Electronics!

gas and oil.... Lubrication!

etc. etc. etc.

 

FUNNY Seems NPM has several of thses no existent dynopack graphs you say don't exsist....

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/...icture2_tn.jpg

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/...ure2001_tn.jpg

Including this one that you called a fake...hmmm funny looks like a cropped DYNOPACK Graph to me

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/...ges/350pop.jpg

Hmmm IT Says Dynopack... Imagine that..

Dynopack Dyno's can print out various forms...including excel files...

wow graphs.... hmmm I guess Dynopack the company is faking it now.... http://www.dynopack.co.nz/


But that's cool..I know your type...you're never wrong..


I love your wiggle back step... Team RTR was a factory Sponsored Team in the US... yes or no???.... period... once again you're wrong and can't be man enough to admit it..

Oh and what about the Nissan Factory Sponsored CORR teams in the US?

 

NISMO I think he got it and understood what I was telling him and he came back with an excellent reply. That's why I like and respect the dude, as for your problems, that comes with the responsibility of being a moderator. Your problems will never go away as long as we keep getting new members every day, that's why you get paid the big bucks... Hang in there dude...

 

Dude, you seem like a smart guy also, why don't you and E55AMG2 PM each other, work out your issues, put your heads together instead of banging them against each other and both bring something back to help us all...

 

I'm presenting facts... I think everyone should see.. isn't that what forums are for... sorry if I'm calling your friend out, but his inaccurate statements should be looked at when calling others fakes...


People should do their own research on the matter when people say this sort fo thing.. it took me all of 10 minutes to see he was spewing wrong info, but his status here some how protects him from giving this BS info out...

How can a moderator on a Nissan Related site talk about others in this manner? And threaten banning when one member shows he is wrong about something... as he did earlier in the thread

The NPM guys answered the question and he wasn't man enough to go over there and make these accusations for himself.... makes me wonder what grudges really motivate him... just doesn't seem like logical thinking...

I apologize if this was taken wrong.. I just hate it when people use there position or weight in the community to knock others (that obviously give us a good service) without some sort of real evidence


and yes I am a long time member, I felt this was the only way I could say these things without some sort of payback.

 

I guess the cropping threw me on that one. RTR is not a factory team. A factory team comes from the factory, not a team based in california that also runs Acuras. A sponsored team is very different from a true factory team. As for NPM, I never asked them a question...It was darrinPS who did. I have no grudges against anyone, nor NPM. Just like you I had some evidence.

What you dont seem to understand is the fact that the excel files the machine generates can be manipulated quite easily. A dynojet runfile, on the otherhand cannot. Nor can a scan of the actual printout (without it looking fudged).

Also, how have I used my "position of weight" to knock anyone? and what sort of "payback" are you talking about.

 

Well first off, both of you guys are Orgers and as far as friendship goes, it puts you both on equal footing with me and I am sure with other members. It's not what you guys are saying, it's the back and forth hissy fit that makes everyone tune out, thus the great info you guys bring to the table is lost in the noise, I personally do not care who wins the battle over right and wrong, my disappointment comes from two guys with strong backgrounds who are not man enough to PM each other and solve it like adults. Squash the public challenge, PM each other with your data and facts, and then post the results. You will both gain the equal respect of the solid data, and trust me, it will never have anything to do with the amount of posts one has...

Wars have been started over lesser $hit, at least my idea may help end one...

 

Anything can be manipulated, even a dynojet run file... You assume because they showed one dyno in Excel form...which was explained.. it is a fake..

That's quite a leap from point A to Z and it certainly isn't any sort of evidence...what if the dyno runs were simply written in text? would that also imply they are fake?

I think you should rethink calling others fakes without some sort of documented proof.... it's just plain wrong..

Do you seriously think respected members of the Nissan Community like Mike Kojima would be involved with NPM if that was going on?