I've always wondered about that Altima ... cammed/260fwhp and not even in the 13's ... They can't suck at driving that much.

 

Go look at the new chart when they visted TS. It proves what I have been saying all along, that the 260hp chart they showed was BS. Unless they meant to show 260 Crank HP, which they did not specify.

 

There is no need, we have challenged their claims. Now the onus is upon them to prove their legitimacy.

 

http://www.nissanforums.com/showpost...6&postcount=28

 

NPM sucks, what can I say. Matt seems to have it under control though.

 

I was referring to you.
come up with data to specifically disprove their stuff and we'll listen. until then, STFU.

 

I did...its posted here

btw, there were no quotes in the post....so it was unclear as to who you were talkin to.

 

 

You're comparing apples to oranges.

intake on Maxima != intake on Altima.

You're calling them liars because you got different results using a different intake on a different car. same engine be damned. there are a LOT of other variables you are changing, and you're calling them liars because their data doesn't agree with yours. Now, if the Altima used the same intake as the Maxima and had the same OEM intake piping and everything, then I would be a bit more skeptical. just because they're similar doesn't mean they're the same.

 

That might be true (although they sure do look close from what I have seen).

The thing is, why won't they just post the raw data and be done with it?

It's a simple thing and would end this.

I just don't think that is asking too much.

Do you?

 

The Altima AEM (NPM) and 5.5g Maxima Injen are run differently, with the Altiuma running into an actual cold air region.

The 6g Maxima Injen is run similar to the AEM Altima (PR style for us 5.5 genners)

So those are the apples and oranges, not the engine itself.

 

I agree, apples to oranges does not work. however the claim was not based on the fact that my results did not agree with theirs. The claim was made on a dyno run that was posted in excel, that showed ~15whp from changing intakes. Personally, I have never seen an intake that made more than 3whp on any car (this includes an E46 m3).

 

Exactly...Maxima to Altima isn't the issue...the issue is that they refuse (for what ever reason...maybe it is valid) to post the raw data.

In all honesty, going into this I was trying to be impartial, but leaning to the "no way they would fake it" camp. Now though...man, you've just got to wonder if they won't post the data nor even give a reason as to why.

 

What bout the GAB (9whp) ? ? ? ?

 

why should they be forced to post their data? you guys aren't going to believe it anyway. you'll find anything and everything you can to pick it apart...

 

hmm, 130 votes and 256 posts. this must be the king of intake threads.

 

Yes but the biggest question is why? Its a f*ckin intake, theres not that much to debate. You want noise, then buy one.

 

Matt you are 100% correct. No matter what the tread is about you will have members who will knock it down. Its a open forum as I have been told at times and you just have to live with it.

 

Agreed.

FWIW, here is what I have come to believe after talking with the folks at NPM.

First off...I wish I hadn't have even asked..but that aside, I really believe (even if they cannot find the original data...it is three years old now) that their run for the Altima showed the gains they mentioned. I don't think that test was faked...just can't see what they had to gain, and their conviction about it seems genuine.

Now, I also believe that the results E55AMG2 got are accurate on the Maxima he tested (can't see why he would lie either).

So what does this tell us? Well, either I'm gullable (I prefer to say that I give people the benefit of the doubt), or maybe the Maxima's stock air intake is up to snuff! It could also be host of other things dealing with the 2004 Maxima as well I guess.

Note that there is talk of doing a "Project Maxima" over at NPM. I'd like to see them test out an aftermarket intake and see if they get the same results as posted here (no gain).

It would be...interesting reading.

BTW, it looks like Nissan did have a factory US team: http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/november04/teamrtr/

 

But why would they say their 260whp Altima ran a 14.1 @ 100 ... They took it to TS for a dyno, but that jsut made them taste the leather off their shoe.

 

Don't know...I'm not about to ask.

 

What's to question? That sounds about right for a car that has a curb weight of 3227lbs and that whp.. 101mph is also about right. Are you now saying they faked a time slips to make themsleves look bad, then fake dyno sheets to look good....make up your mind...you guys are amazing

 

Err ehh, no one here except for one person here makes 260+whp on a 3.5L N/A, and he's in the 12's @ 3040lbs. Everyone else in the 14.1 are either stock, or have an intake ... We have an auto 5.5g with only a muffler and intake running that time(14.1).

It's a pathetic time for that amount of Whp, take a cruise to the 1/4 mile forums and see for yourself, .. you're amazing if in your mind you believe that 260 fwhp = 14.1 (3000-3300 lbs) ...


Not to mention a stock 6th gen with a 14.2 ..

 

It would also depend on the driver and many other things, 1/4 times are the absolute worse measurement for power... which doesn't matter on a dyno. You can't be so gullable as to believe all the 1/4 times you read on a internet forum can you?

Plus no where int hat article do they say they built the car for the drag strip... hell if Mike Kojima is involved then it's good enough for me.. I doubt there is anyone involved in the Nissan community that can touch his knowledge

 

Yes, what you say is true, as there are many that don't put down very much power but can drive very well, (ala Nealoc187)

So, if 1/4 mile time is bad for power determination, what do you suggest, a dyno?

So you think the Altima had 260fwhp ... and still only ran a 14.1? Maybe it was the driver who sucked *****.

 

He's been around long enough to be able to tell the legit dyno and 1/4 times from the bs. The person he's referring to is a well respected member here.

 

Actually I did it @ 3150 lbs. and had consistant 107.xx mph trap speeds with the highest being 108.00 .

 

Measuring power with times is for ricers... Show me any race team in the world that tests, tunes, or measures power on the drag strip... you can't

You can put four different drivers in the same car and get 4 different times.. this should be common sense...

 

I tune at the dyno, and test my tune at the track ...

 

NPM actually went back and proved that their Altima did NOT make 260whp when they put in on the dyno at Technosquare. Go look for yourselves.

 

What do you suggest? Let me get my million plus race wallet out and pull that dyno out of my garage.

 

yea read the damn articles instead of looking at the pictures..

 

I read the cam install article serveral times, long before the TS article came out. And it is a misnomer because everyone assumed that they meant Wheel HP which never was said.

 

so now they have faked dyno's, and time sheets, then corrected them with what more fake dyno runs? okkayy

and what does the INJEN intake have to do with them? I don't see any Injen intakes on their cars...

 

Yes, saw that, and that was my point, hence the tasting leather comment of mine a few posts back.

I think maxedout hasn't spent enough time here, that's it .. And thinks Maxima owners are MAybe we are but we let timeslips and dynos prove themselves.

 

Not sure where you get your prices...

$75 for 3 runs at most shops....

 

That have an error factor well within what gains/losses can be had with an stupid intake.

 

How do they prove or do you disprove a scanned dyno sheet? Like the one on the Altima SE-R intake this month?

 

and you don't have a larger margin of error on the track? haha

gains on intakes in the real world are probably better because you can't simulate the air flow and air cool down as well with a fan on the dyno..

 

I didn't say they faked dyno runs. I originally said the 260hp dyno was BS if everyone ASSUMED it was at the wheels, which clearly it isn't. I also said that the dyno runs they made at Technosquare were more in line with the power that the car is REALLY making at the wheels. Are we going to have to step everything down to 3rd grade English for you to grasp this concept?