Opinion???next generation is said to be a 3.7.should it be higher?
08-10-2007, 10:18 AM
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Opinion???next generation is said to be a 3.7.should it be higher?
hey guys the 6th generation max's are now 3.5 i heard the new ones are going to be 3.7..what does everyone think about it??do you think they should of just went higher possibily up to 4.0..??interesting facts probably go behind it..maybe too much !!
08-10-2007, 05:04 PM
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IMO, anything 4L or higher should be a V8. 4L V6 is well, got a lot of cylinder area. A lot of torque. Where a small 4L V8 would have much dsaller pistons and probably be pretty rev happy.
08-10-2007, 05:18 PM
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I think both are a terrible idea to use unless there is a change in drive-train for the Maxima/Altima designs. There's already enough torque-steer with the 3.5 using FWD. I mean Nissan had to tune down the vq35de just to use it in the altima/maxima lines vs. the g35/m35, so I can't even imagine the point in using a more powerful engine in the current base setup of maximas/altimas... Not to mention the drop in mileage from a bigger engine.
I think instead of swapping engines out, Renault/Nissan ought to focus more on the semi-truck-like turning radius of the Maxima. My mom just got a Lincoln Navigator with the long body and it turns better than my '05 Max, as does my dad's new Lexus LS460...now that's just pathetic (and yes, I test drove the '07 a week ago and the problem is still quite obvious). Just my two cents, and I hope I didn't make anyone too mad at me.
I think instead of swapping engines out, Renault/Nissan ought to focus more on the semi-truck-like turning radius of the Maxima. My mom just got a Lincoln Navigator with the long body and it turns better than my '05 Max, as does my dad's new Lexus LS460...now that's just pathetic (and yes, I test drove the '07 a week ago and the problem is still quite obvious). Just my two cents, and I hope I didn't make anyone too mad at me.
08-10-2007, 09:49 PM
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So the M35 FULL-SIZE SEDAN is supposed to be a SPORT MODEL... It's nearly 300 lbs. heavier than our cars and much bigger, but due to RWD, they are able to tune up to 300-hp...now tell me the detune for ours had nothing to do with torque steer from FWD.
08-10-2007, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by steven614
So the M35 FULL-SIZE SEDAN is supposed to be a SPORT MODEL... It's nearly 300 lbs. heavier than our cars and much bigger, but due to RWD, they are able to tune up to 300-hp...now tell me the detune for ours had nothing to do with torque steer from FWD.
I'm talking about, so unless you know the REAL differences between the engines, keep your mouth closed or provide data that backs your claim. I.e. CVTC timing maps, gm/s data, IGN timing 
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Show me a dyno where a Z33/V35 puts down more torque(significantly) than an A33B/A34.
08-10-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by steven614
So the M35 FULL-SIZE SEDAN is supposed to be a SPORT MODEL... It's nearly 300 lbs. heavier than our cars and much bigger, but due to RWD, they are able to tune up to 300-hp...now tell me the detune for ours had nothing to do with torque steer from FWD.
All RWD's get the cool IM. Also, our cars have more torque than theirs. Don't come to me starting a technical discussion. I could get into the differences of the 2 engines and you wont even know I'm talking about, so unless you know the REAL differences between the engines, keep your mouth closed or provide data that backs your claim. I.e. CVTC timing maps, gm/s data, IGN timing .
Show me a dyno where a Z33/V35 puts down more torque(significantly) than an A33B/A34.
Show me a dyno where a Z33/V35 puts down more torque(significantly) than an A33B/A34.
08-10-2007, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
I'm having fun..................You guys are cool.
For example the Variable intake on the Maxima/Altima has to be more expensive then the Big Turtle thing on the 350z.
Damn nissan, leaves it to us to have to gut our stock intakes.
Kamski
08-11-2007, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
I have a technosquare full reflash. It provides 350z CVTC maps. IIRC the same thing as if one of you A34 members using an ECU from a G or Z..
Maybe when I get some $$$ in the future.
Kamski
And I actually did, like really shed a tear for Jime...........I'm sorry I cannot continue........
08-11-2007, 10:38 AM
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Yeah, it should be a 3.7, with a beefier front suspension, maybe with something like a LTB and nice fat RSB. It would be nice to get rid of some torque steer, but to be honest, If you know your maxima, then you know how to control the torque steer, and anticipate it happening before you get in trouble.
Also, they should put in the HICAS systems like the old z's. then they wouldn't have to worry about modifing the suspension components and engine size/orientation so much to get rid of the semi-like turing radius.
my .02
Also, they should put in the HICAS systems like the old z's.
then they wouldn't have to worry about modifing the suspension components and engine size/orientation so much to get rid of the semi-like turing radius.my .02
08-11-2007, 10:46 AM
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^^lol @ LTB comment....
I'm sure they'll just carry over what they did in the altima to eliminate torque steer...equal length half shafts and a lowered drivetrain. How much power each car puts out has nothing to do with FWD vs. RWD.
I'm sure they'll just carry over what they did in the altima to eliminate torque steer...equal length half shafts and a lowered drivetrain. How much power each car puts out has nothing to do with FWD vs. RWD.
08-11-2007, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by LA02MAX
^^lol @ LTB comment....
I'm sure they'll just carry over what they did in the altima to eliminate torque steer...equal length half shafts and a lowered drivetrain. How much power each car puts out has nothing to do with FWD vs. RWD.
I'm sure they'll just carry over what they did in the altima to eliminate torque steer...equal length half shafts and a lowered drivetrain. How much power each car puts out has nothing to do with FWD vs. RWD.
Yeah, it's like the NY lotto "Hey, you never know"
08-12-2007, 09:15 AM
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Hello everyone.......its been awhile since i have posted. I am really busy getting ready for my sons wedding on the 21st of this month, but as i was in the dealership talking to my buddy who owns it, he told me that he went to a meeting and they had the new Max there sitting under a cover. The little he does know i am going to share. He was only able to see one part of the car at a time and he says it looks like a BMW. It will have the 3.7 and still no word on FWD,AWD or RWD. He says that this is somthing that Nissan has never built before and it will be a TOP TOP TOP of the line vehicle. He stressed TOP to give me the messege of i should buy one when they come out and trade in mine.........NO WAY!!!!!!! I will have to drive the new one though.
Hello everyone.......its been awhile since i have posted. I am really busy getting ready for my sons wedding on the 21st of this month, but as i was in the dealership talking to my buddy who owns it, he told me that he went to a meeting and they had the new Max there sitting under a cover. The little he does know i am going to share. He was only able to see one part of the car at a time and he says it looks like a BMW. It will have the 3.7 and still no word on FWD,AWD or RWD. He says that this is somthing that Nissan has never built before and it will be a TOP TOP TOP of the line vehicle. He stressed TOP to give me the messege of i should buy one when they come out and trade in mine.........NO WAY!!!!!!! I will have to drive the new one though.
08-12-2007, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jsmithsole
Posted by Maxchef:
Hello everyone.......its been awhile since i have posted. I am really busy getting ready for my sons wedding on the 21st of this month, but as i was in the dealership talking to my buddy who owns it, he told me that he went to a meeting and they had the new Max there sitting under a cover. The little he does know i am going to share. He was only able to see one part of the car at a time and he says it looks like a BMW. It will have the 3.7 and still no word on FWD,AWD or RWD. He says that this is somthing that Nissan has never built before and it will be a TOP TOP TOP of the line vehicle. He stressed TOP to give me the messege of i should buy one when they come out and trade in mine.........NO WAY!!!!!!! I will have to drive the new one though.
Hello everyone.......its been awhile since i have posted. I am really busy getting ready for my sons wedding on the 21st of this month, but as i was in the dealership talking to my buddy who owns it, he told me that he went to a meeting and they had the new Max there sitting under a cover. The little he does know i am going to share. He was only able to see one part of the car at a time and he says it looks like a BMW. It will have the 3.7 and still no word on FWD,AWD or RWD. He says that this is somthing that Nissan has never built before and it will be a TOP TOP TOP of the line vehicle. He stressed TOP to give me the messege of i should buy one when they come out and trade in mine.........NO WAY!!!!!!! I will have to drive the new one though.
08-12-2007, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jsmithsole
Posted by Maxchef:
Hello everyone.......its been awhile since i have posted. I am really busy getting ready for my sons wedding on the 21st of this month, but as i was in the dealership talking to my buddy who owns it, he told me that he went to a meeting and they had the new Max there sitting under a cover. The little he does know i am going to share. He was only able to see one part of the car at a time and he says it looks like a BMW. It will have the 3.7 and still no word on FWD,AWD or RWD. He says that this is somthing that Nissan has never built before and it will be a TOP TOP TOP of the line vehicle. He stressed TOP to give me the messege of i should buy one when they come out and trade in mine.........NO WAY!!!!!!! I will have to drive the new one though.
Hello everyone.......its been awhile since i have posted. I am really busy getting ready for my sons wedding on the 21st of this month, but as i was in the dealership talking to my buddy who owns it, he told me that he went to a meeting and they had the new Max there sitting under a cover. The little he does know i am going to share. He was only able to see one part of the car at a time and he says it looks like a BMW. It will have the 3.7 and still no word on FWD,AWD or RWD. He says that this is somthing that Nissan has never built before and it will be a TOP TOP TOP of the line vehicle. He stressed TOP to give me the messege of i should buy one when they come out and trade in mine.........NO WAY!!!!!!! I will have to drive the new one though.
08-13-2007, 03:14 PM
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I'm not sure about the numbers you posted up about the names of very specific engines earlier, but I do know how to read a couple reviews off CNet and AutoBuyGuide.com ...
2005 Maxima= 265hp/255lb. ft. torque (CNet)
2006 M35= 280hp/270lb. ft. torque (AutoBuyGuide)
I couldn't less about the other crap, all I'm saying is the maxima is a weaker tuned car than the M35 or G35. I apologize if i cause some sort of mini-online riot, lol...but yeah, I agree that we should wait and see what Nissan decides for the new platform. My bet is 3.7L V6 with ~300hp to beat the TL-S which seems to be it's closest competitor at the moment. Power aside, the TL-S turns better, and that should be Nissan's focus for the new Max. My biggest hope is that the new one blows the Altima out of the water in every aspect as it should.
2005 Maxima= 265hp/255lb. ft. torque (CNet)
2006 M35= 280hp/270lb. ft. torque (AutoBuyGuide)
I couldn't less about the other crap, all I'm saying is the maxima is a weaker tuned car than the M35 or G35. I apologize if i cause some sort of mini-online riot, lol...but yeah, I agree that we should wait and see what Nissan decides for the new platform. My bet is 3.7L V6 with ~300hp to beat the TL-S which seems to be it's closest competitor at the moment. Power aside, the TL-S turns better, and that should be Nissan's focus for the new Max. My biggest hope is that the new one blows the Altima out of the water in every aspect as it should.
08-13-2007, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by steven614
I'm not sure about the numbers you posted up about the names of very specific engines earlier, but I do know how to read a couple reviews off CNet and AutoBuyGuide.com ...
2005 Maxima= 265hp/255lb. ft. torque (CNet)
2006 M35= 280hp/270lb. ft. torque (AutoBuyGuide)
I couldn't less about the other crap, all I'm saying is the maxima is a weaker tuned car than the M35 or G35. I apologize if i cause some sort of mini-online riot, lol...but yeah, I agree that we should wait and see what Nissan decides for the new platform. My bet is 3.7L V6 with ~300hp to beat the TL-S which seems to be it's closest competitor at the moment. Power aside, the TL-S turns better, and that should be Nissan's focus for the new Max. My biggest hope is that the new one blows the Altima out of the water in every aspect as it should.
2005 Maxima= 265hp/255lb. ft. torque (CNet)
2006 M35= 280hp/270lb. ft. torque (AutoBuyGuide)
I couldn't less about the other crap, all I'm saying is the maxima is a weaker tuned car than the M35 or G35. I apologize if i cause some sort of mini-online riot, lol...but yeah, I agree that we should wait and see what Nissan decides for the new platform. My bet is 3.7L V6 with ~300hp to beat the TL-S which seems to be it's closest competitor at the moment. Power aside, the TL-S turns better, and that should be Nissan's focus for the new Max. My biggest hope is that the new one blows the Altima out of the water in every aspect as it should.
The RWD layout allows for better flow of the exhaust manifolds, and cooling of the rear cylinder bank. I've had the TS re-flashed G35 ECU in my Max, and can feel the power difference compare to my TS re-flashed ECU. But you can smell the heat when I pushed the G35 ECU versus the Max ECU. But's that's not the main point. TL has no other Hondas/Acuras to cannibalized, but a Max w/ same equipment and output as the Infiniti's "sports sedans" could save buyers some money and cost Infiniti some sales.
08-13-2007, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RHMax
You are forgetting about the layout of each cars. The Z puts down a little more power than the G35C because the enginebay layout allows the Z a better intake.
The RWD layout allows for better flow of the exhaust manifolds, and cooling of the rear cylinder bank. I've had the TS re-flashed G35 ECU in my Max, and can feel the power difference compare to my TS re-flashed ECU. But you can smell the heat when I pushed the G35 ECU versus the Max ECU. But's that's not the main point. TL has no other Hondas/Acuras to cannibalized, but a Max w/ same equipment and output as the Infiniti's "sports sedans" could save buyers some money and cost Infiniti some sales.
The RWD layout allows for better flow of the exhaust manifolds, and cooling of the rear cylinder bank. I've had the TS re-flashed G35 ECU in my Max, and can feel the power difference compare to my TS re-flashed ECU. But you can smell the heat when I pushed the G35 ECU versus the Max ECU. But's that's not the main point. TL has no other Hondas/Acuras to cannibalized, but a Max w/ same equipment and output as the Infiniti's "sports sedans" could save buyers some money and cost Infiniti some sales.
08-13-2007, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
I've already attempted bringing this to his attention at the beginning of the thread. But, it seems as if he's made the point that he does not care what real numbers state.
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