Kinetix & Spacers Installed!!
01-12-2008, 05:18 PM
#1
Kinetix & Spacers Installed!!
Hey peeps!!
Well today I dropped the max off for the install of the Kinetix, Spacers, and the UDP. I just got the car back tonight. Unfortunately the shop was very busy and could not get to the UDP. But the Kinetix and spacers were installed. And I must say.... what a difference in the cars performance!! The sound is incredible!! The lighting for the pics was poor and the shop could not get some "in action" pics of them installing. The cost for install was $434 (for all 3). The cost of the Kinetix & Spacers are well worth it.
Well I hope you guys enjoy!!
I owe these 2 installs to my homies Mark & Aaron. Thanks for the support guys!! Oh!!... and my girlfriend Liz who paid for the installs!! LOL!!!
Well today I dropped the max off for the install of the Kinetix, Spacers, and the UDP. I just got the car back tonight. Unfortunately the shop was very busy and could not get to the UDP. But the Kinetix and spacers were installed. And I must say.... what a difference in the cars performance!! The sound is incredible!! The lighting for the pics was poor and the shop could not get some "in action" pics of them installing. The cost for install was $434 (for all 3). The cost of the Kinetix & Spacers are well worth it.
Well I hope you guys enjoy!!
I owe these 2 installs to my homies Mark & Aaron. Thanks for the support guys!! Oh!!... and my girlfriend Liz who paid for the installs!! LOL!!!
01-12-2008, 05:20 PM
#2
Oh!! I did have some questions for all the guys with these installs....
There is an idle when using the tronic for the shifts. Did you guys experience that also? Well it balance out when the cars computer learn about the new toys?
There is an idle when using the tronic for the shifts. Did you guys experience that also? Well it balance out when the cars computer learn about the new toys?
01-12-2008, 05:46 PM
#6
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Increases Intake Flow. Phenolic spacers do some hicky-mcgigger thing that lowers the car's intake temp by reducing heat soak from the grenolias flubber. Kinetix quite expensive, spacers quite inexpensive. Kevin runs this on his 12 second Nitrous Max (I believe).
WOOT. I have a beer.
Joshua
WOOT. I have a beer.
Joshua
01-12-2008, 06:21 PM
#7
SSIM > Kinetix...
The shop should have reset your idle
Kevin gains from the Kinetix because he has nitrous and allowing more air=profit from the Kinetix...but n/a=meh so far...no "legit" dynos and as far as I know, the SSIM is a much better mod than the Kinetix, both financially and performance wise.
.02 but looks great!
The shop should have reset your idle
Kevin gains from the Kinetix because he has nitrous and allowing more air=profit from the Kinetix...but n/a=meh so far...no "legit" dynos and as far as I know, the SSIM is a much better mod than the Kinetix, both financially and performance wise.
.02 but looks great!
01-12-2008, 09:01 PM
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Glad it all worked out, looks great!!! LOL, now you can stop PMing me over it...J/K
Love the color of the AEM intake, wish my intake was the same...
Love the color of the AEM intake, wish my intake was the same...
Last edited by chernmax; 01-12-2008 at 09:10 PM.
01-12-2008, 09:28 PM
#12
01-12-2008, 09:31 PM
#13
I was going to give you the credit for the UDP you help but now when I think of it...LOL!!! J/K Chris!! You were a major help with the Kinetix too. I appreciate your help to brother
Dont forget about the soul food!!
01-12-2008, 09:32 PM
#14
01-13-2008, 05:27 AM
#16
SSIM = Secret Sauce Intake Manifold
Includes removing the VIAS butterfly plate and completely removing the aluminum shelf inside the main chamber of the upper intake manifold. You may lose low end power, but the gains you get in the top end are definitely worth it.
VIAS = Variable Induction Air Control System
It's a term used by Nissan in their Factory Service Manual. It is just like it sounds. It's the stock variable intake system. So when someone says they are simply removing the VIAS and nothing else, all they are doing is removing the variable intake butterfly plate inside the intake manifold. Just like the SSIM, you lose low end and should gain more top end to make it worth doing. That's the theory anyway. I haven't proved this yet.
The SSIM takes a LOT more work to do and the results have been proven time and time again. So when you do the SSIM and/or VIAS plate removal, having this cap plate that is ready to bolt up makes it easier and much nicer looking than hacking up the stock plate.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=ssim
Includes removing the VIAS butterfly plate and completely removing the aluminum shelf inside the main chamber of the upper intake manifold. You may lose low end power, but the gains you get in the top end are definitely worth it.
VIAS = Variable Induction Air Control System
It's a term used by Nissan in their Factory Service Manual. It is just like it sounds. It's the stock variable intake system. So when someone says they are simply removing the VIAS and nothing else, all they are doing is removing the variable intake butterfly plate inside the intake manifold. Just like the SSIM, you lose low end and should gain more top end to make it worth doing. That's the theory anyway. I haven't proved this yet.
The SSIM takes a LOT more work to do and the results have been proven time and time again. So when you do the SSIM and/or VIAS plate removal, having this cap plate that is ready to bolt up makes it easier and much nicer looking than hacking up the stock plate.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=ssim
01-13-2008, 07:00 AM
#18
01-13-2008, 09:13 AM
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As usual, the Kinetix IM looks great. Too bad they couldn't get to your UDP while they were in there. Congrats on that upgrade. Did happen to dyno before the spacers and IM were installed?
When you say "there is an idle", what exactly do you mean?
01-13-2008, 11:09 AM
#20
SSIM = Secret Sauce Intake Manifold
Includes removing the VIAS butterfly plate and completely removing the aluminum shelf inside the main chamber of the upper intake manifold. You may lose low end power, but the gains you get in the top end are definitely worth it.
VIAS = Variable Induction Air Control System
It's a term used by Nissan in their Factory Service Manual. It is just like it sounds. It's the stock variable intake system. So when someone says they are simply removing the VIAS and nothing else, all they are doing is removing the variable intake butterfly plate inside the intake manifold. Just like the SSIM, you lose low end and should gain more top end to make it worth doing. That's the theory anyway. I haven't proved this yet.
The SSIM takes a LOT more work to do and the results have been proven time and time again. So when you do the SSIM and/or VIAS plate removal, having this cap plate that is ready to bolt up makes it easier and much nicer looking than hacking up the stock plate.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=ssim
Includes removing the VIAS butterfly plate and completely removing the aluminum shelf inside the main chamber of the upper intake manifold. You may lose low end power, but the gains you get in the top end are definitely worth it.
VIAS = Variable Induction Air Control System
It's a term used by Nissan in their Factory Service Manual. It is just like it sounds. It's the stock variable intake system. So when someone says they are simply removing the VIAS and nothing else, all they are doing is removing the variable intake butterfly plate inside the intake manifold. Just like the SSIM, you lose low end and should gain more top end to make it worth doing. That's the theory anyway. I haven't proved this yet.
The SSIM takes a LOT more work to do and the results have been proven time and time again. So when you do the SSIM and/or VIAS plate removal, having this cap plate that is ready to bolt up makes it easier and much nicer looking than hacking up the stock plate.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=ssim
With removing the IM you have to reprogram the idle...
01-13-2008, 11:15 AM
#21
01-13-2008, 11:36 AM
#24
lol
After I am done with my exterior project I will be messing with the engine and I LOVE how yours look! How much HP exactly did you/can you gain from this mod?
01-13-2008, 02:32 PM
#28
Well the idle actually cleared... what happen was that I was using the tronic, and when the car would normally shift to second on its own, it was only hitting max rev and not shifting on its on. When I saw that happening, I had to shift myself. But now its perfect. I called the shop and they did follow the instructions after install so I am about 90% sure that the computer just needed to know about the new install.
01-13-2008, 04:26 PM
#29
01-13-2008, 04:49 PM
#30
01-13-2008, 05:01 PM
#31
No I didnt get the dyno done before. I really need to get her into a shop for one now.
Well the idle actually cleared... what happen was that I was using the tronic, and when the car would normally shift to second on its own, it was only hitting max rev and not shifting on its on. When I saw that happening, I had to shift myself. But now its perfect. I called the shop and they did follow the instructions after install so I am about 90% sure that the computer just needed to know about the new install.
Well the idle actually cleared... what happen was that I was using the tronic, and when the car would normally shift to second on its own, it was only hitting max rev and not shifting on its on. When I saw that happening, I had to shift myself. But now its perfect. I called the shop and they did follow the instructions after install so I am about 90% sure that the computer just needed to know about the new install.
01-13-2008, 05:08 PM
#32
Here is an interesting read from my350z.com about there kinetix.
The SSV is known for not being a good intake manifold because of its cost and the various people who have reported power losses with it has spread like wild fire overshadowing the people the SSV has gained power for. However I think there is a pattern to the people who have lost power and the many people who have actually gained power.
I think you'll find that people who have upgraded their cams and/or headers, and/or ported/polished their heads and then a tune have all had good results with the SSV. The people who have lost power or haven't noticed a difference all have the stock heads, cams, and exhaust manifolds or small TT exhaust manifolds.
The idea is, if the engine can't get the air out easily enough through the actual engine itself, the SSV will lose power.
This also has applied to all sorts of other engines
http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_07...old/index.html
Quote:
Rather, the intake-manifold-runner lengths must be tuned to work in conjunction with the cam profile, the head-flow numbers, and even the primary-tubing diameter of the exhaust. Failure to tune runner length will result in less power rather than more, regardless of the airflow numbers of the ports themselves.
Some other articles/write-ups that support this are
http://headerdesign.com/extras/engin...take_Manifolds
http://www.wighat.com/fcr3/engine.htm
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...sp?ArticleID=2
These people all have cams and/or headers, and/or port/polished heads and have all gained power or at least felt they gained power with the SSV.
vortech, alphawerks headers
gained power from 4500 to redline
would have gained more power across the whole powerband if tune wasn't 2 pts too rich
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
vortech, stillen headers
gained power
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
vortech, cams and headers
did some minor mods and gained power all over the powerband, feels the SSV helped
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...;postcount=112
TN kit, built long block, ported heads, JWT cams
gains all over the powerband
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143573
vortech, DC headers
lost power above 5500 rpms, however was way too rich there - possibly inconclusive?
gained power between 2200-3000 rpms - just needed to lean out A/F there back to normal
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
NA, Tomei 268 cams, crawford headers
felt a gain in power
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
NA JWT cams, crawford headers
felt like a gain in power over crawford plenum
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...mp;postcount=8
topspeed headers
felt a gain over kinetix V4
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
FI with cams
feels the SSV is a little better than the V4 plenum
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...p;postcount=34
him and his mechanic also believe the issue with letting an intake manifold flow more has to do with how well the air can flow through the heads
Quote:
I also had a very long chat with my mechanic about plenums and such. He has built an 11.0 sec car from an old Corolla 4 cylinder (this would run 10 or lower in the US) and did all the mods on my car so I guess he knows what he's talking about. He basivcally told me that we can do what we want to our plenums, but at some point it will not improve anymore. Once the plenum is 100% efficient/big enough/flows enough/etc (*)... the real bottleneck is below the plenum. The valves and the intake ports are still restricting airflow so you would need to port the intake ports, go for a bit bigger valves. Would be nice to know if something like this was done to the car with that enormous HP gain...
TT, built long block, cams
gained 17 lbs tq, 26 whp with SSV
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
These cars lost power with the SSV and they all are running the stock heads/cams with stock exhaust manifolds or smal TT exhaust manifolds. I'm sure there's quite a few more people who have reported losses with the SSV, but from doing my own extensive searching, these are the people I've found who have reported losses.
NA, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
no gains felt and no faster 1/4 mile times
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
APS TT stock engine, small APS exhaust manifolds
power loss
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=SSV
vortech, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
lost 10 tq in midrange, top end hp stayed same
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...ghlight=SSV+10
NA, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
SSV lost power
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208880
APS single turbo, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
22 hp lost
JoeDirtPharmD's post near bottom of page on
http://www.az350z.com/forum/viewtopi...;highlight=ssv
I have also come across two people with stock NA engines without headers who posted that they felt a gain in power with the SSV and 2-3 NA people with stock NA engines without headers who said they haven't noticed a difference with it.
For turbo cars, think about the turbos being right there blocking some of the airflow right at the exhaust manifold. Sure the exhaust probably flows great after the turbo, but this would add further evidence why turbo setups lose power with the SSV by having the restriction put so close to the engine itself
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The SSV is known for not being a good intake manifold because of its cost and the various people who have reported power losses with it has spread like wild fire overshadowing the people the SSV has gained power for. However I think there is a pattern to the people who have lost power and the many people who have actually gained power.
I think you'll find that people who have upgraded their cams and/or headers, and/or ported/polished their heads and then a tune have all had good results with the SSV. The people who have lost power or haven't noticed a difference all have the stock heads, cams, and exhaust manifolds or small TT exhaust manifolds.
The idea is, if the engine can't get the air out easily enough through the actual engine itself, the SSV will lose power.
This also has applied to all sorts of other engines
http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_07...old/index.html
Quote:
Rather, the intake-manifold-runner lengths must be tuned to work in conjunction with the cam profile, the head-flow numbers, and even the primary-tubing diameter of the exhaust. Failure to tune runner length will result in less power rather than more, regardless of the airflow numbers of the ports themselves.
Some other articles/write-ups that support this are
http://headerdesign.com/extras/engin...take_Manifolds
http://www.wighat.com/fcr3/engine.htm
http://www.team-integra.net/sections...sp?ArticleID=2
These people all have cams and/or headers, and/or port/polished heads and have all gained power or at least felt they gained power with the SSV.
vortech, alphawerks headers
gained power from 4500 to redline
would have gained more power across the whole powerband if tune wasn't 2 pts too rich
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
vortech, stillen headers
gained power
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
vortech, cams and headers
did some minor mods and gained power all over the powerband, feels the SSV helped
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...;postcount=112
TN kit, built long block, ported heads, JWT cams
gains all over the powerband
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143573
vortech, DC headers
lost power above 5500 rpms, however was way too rich there - possibly inconclusive?
gained power between 2200-3000 rpms - just needed to lean out A/F there back to normal
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
NA, Tomei 268 cams, crawford headers
felt a gain in power
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
NA JWT cams, crawford headers
felt like a gain in power over crawford plenum
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...mp;postcount=8
topspeed headers
felt a gain over kinetix V4
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
FI with cams
feels the SSV is a little better than the V4 plenum
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...p;postcount=34
him and his mechanic also believe the issue with letting an intake manifold flow more has to do with how well the air can flow through the heads
Quote:
I also had a very long chat with my mechanic about plenums and such. He has built an 11.0 sec car from an old Corolla 4 cylinder (this would run 10 or lower in the US) and did all the mods on my car so I guess he knows what he's talking about. He basivcally told me that we can do what we want to our plenums, but at some point it will not improve anymore. Once the plenum is 100% efficient/big enough/flows enough/etc (*)... the real bottleneck is below the plenum. The valves and the intake ports are still restricting airflow so you would need to port the intake ports, go for a bit bigger valves. Would be nice to know if something like this was done to the car with that enormous HP gain...
TT, built long block, cams
gained 17 lbs tq, 26 whp with SSV
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
These cars lost power with the SSV and they all are running the stock heads/cams with stock exhaust manifolds or smal TT exhaust manifolds. I'm sure there's quite a few more people who have reported losses with the SSV, but from doing my own extensive searching, these are the people I've found who have reported losses.
NA, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
no gains felt and no faster 1/4 mile times
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv
APS TT stock engine, small APS exhaust manifolds
power loss
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=SSV
vortech, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
lost 10 tq in midrange, top end hp stayed same
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...ghlight=SSV+10
NA, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
SSV lost power
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208880
APS single turbo, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds
22 hp lost
JoeDirtPharmD's post near bottom of page on
http://www.az350z.com/forum/viewtopi...;highlight=ssv
I have also come across two people with stock NA engines without headers who posted that they felt a gain in power with the SSV and 2-3 NA people with stock NA engines without headers who said they haven't noticed a difference with it.
For turbo cars, think about the turbos being right there blocking some of the airflow right at the exhaust manifold. Sure the exhaust probably flows great after the turbo, but this would add further evidence why turbo setups lose power with the SSV by having the restriction put so close to the engine itself
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01-13-2008, 05:09 PM
#33
01-13-2008, 05:29 PM
#35
I still love the car and the TQ but after reading and noticing so many things lately in RWD cars, it's just so "meh"
Just yesterday I got to drive a CLK55 AMG around my dealership as a "taxi" between one dealership to the next. I personally think the car looks like a big black ****-stain, but the motor/rwd/firm handling was
The TQ was just so 
that it scared me a few times!I still <3 my first and only car, but the expectations of my future car have pulled a complete 180.
___
How the **** that got so out of line, I don't know...but you see my point
01-13-2008, 05:52 PM
#36
I am coming to my senses that the Maxima isn't all that I thought it was...nor can it be that...it WILL come close and surprise so many people, but after-market supply, and money just shoot it down for most people.
I still love the car and the TQ but after reading and noticing so many things lately in RWD cars, it's just so "meh"
Just yesterday I got to drive a CLK55 AMG around my dealership as a "taxi" between one dealership to the next. I personally think the car looks like a big black ****-stain, but the motor/rwd/firm handling was The TQ was just so that it scared me a few times!
I still <3 my first and only car, but the expectations of my future car have pulled a complete 180.
___
How the **** that got so out of line, I don't know...but you see my point
I still love the car and the TQ but after reading and noticing so many things lately in RWD cars, it's just so "meh"
Just yesterday I got to drive a CLK55 AMG around my dealership as a "taxi" between one dealership to the next. I personally think the car looks like a big black ****-stain, but the motor/rwd/firm handling was
The TQ was just so that it scared me a few times!I still <3 my first and only car, but the expectations of my future car have pulled a complete 180.
___
How the **** that got so out of line, I don't know...but you see my point
01-13-2008, 06:20 PM
#37
Yeah i will but i have to PM a forum member around my way. He knows a place and it will get done once im free.
01-13-2008, 06:26 PM
#38
I really dont know that much about all that stuff Red wrote. But I can say that the Kinetix & the spacers are worth the money. Yesterday I had a run against a modified TC and I didnt even know until I looked at the speedometer that I was doing about 130 which never hit without me noticing that I was going that fast. The gains are real. But you wont know until you buy the item instead of reading what others had to say. This thread was not made to down grade good parts despite the money. Thanks.
01-14-2008, 10:25 AM
#40
Hey peeps!!
Well today I dropped the max off for the install of the Kinetix, Spacers, and the UDP. I just got the car back tonight. Unfortunately the shop was very busy and could not get to the UDP. But the Kinetix and spacers were installed. And I must say.... what a difference in the cars performance!! The sound is incredible!! The lighting for the pics was poor and the shop could not get some "in action" pics of them installing. The cost for install was $434 (for all 3). The cost of the Kinetix & Spacers are well worth it.
Well today I dropped the max off for the install of the Kinetix, Spacers, and the UDP. I just got the car back tonight. Unfortunately the shop was very busy and could not get to the UDP. But the Kinetix and spacers were installed. And I must say.... what a difference in the cars performance!! The sound is incredible!! The lighting for the pics was poor and the shop could not get some "in action" pics of them installing. The cost for install was $434 (for all 3). The cost of the Kinetix & Spacers are well worth it.