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Old May 25, 2009 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1
This is kind of discouraging, I was under the impression that the VQ Rods are pretty strong, and the weak part is the pistons and the rings itself under boost.

The RWD guys have been pushing close to 400 on stock block with no issues, was it your tuning that could have cause this ? or the amount of dyno time ?

I have a friend that has a a32 VQ35DE-T on boost going on 4 years at 12psi.

Its odd how the rods could be bent like that at 5psi ?
I've always thought it was the same too....

and doublea just did a rebuild with stock vq30 rods
Old May 25, 2009 | 05:49 AM
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I've always thought it was the same too....

and doublea just did a rebuild with stock vq30 rods
Well one thing I'm sure of, I'm no longer going to worry about pistons, rings, and rods because these can withstand 1000hp. And again, I'm pretty surpised also seeming to my knowledge the VQ was capable of 450hp before the internals had to be messed with.
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it could have been 1 of 2 things from my VQ guy , He took a look at the bent rod and confirm to me.

Reving the motor too much on the dyno , or
You could have threw off timming , or just a bad tune.

good luck on your build again.
I have a spare block in case things like this happen , im lucky to have 3 top tuners in the US in Florida.
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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1
it could have been 1 of 2 things from my VQ guy , He took a look at the bent rod and confirm to me.

Reving the motor too much on the dyno , or
You could have threw off timming , or just a bad tune.

good luck on your build again.
I have a spare block in case things like this happen , im lucky to have 3 top tuners in the US in Florida.

It has been through a lot of Dyno and Tuning but PTuning is one of the top of the line tuning places in our area and I have confidence it wasn't a result of bad tuning. When this project gets complete and after a breakin period, I have to get it tuned again and PTuning will do it!!!


Question on your sig, do you have an intercooler? Are you turbo or run Juice???
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That is definitely bent! LOL the Crower rod makes the OEM rod look like the skinny wanna be. That new rod is serious. Is there a weight difference between the two?

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Bent Rod on the right



Nissan OEM Piston and Rod Left. ARAIS Piston / Brian Crower Pro Series Rod right

Old May 25, 2009 | 12:56 PM
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That is definitely bent! LOL the Crower rod makes the OEM rod look like the skinny wanna be. That new rod is serious. Is there a weight difference between the two?
The weight is close but it's the new ARAIS piston and Brian Crower rods that are lighter.
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Originally Posted by chernmax
It has been through a lot of Dyno and Tuning but PTuning is one of the top of the line tuning places in our area and I have confidence it wasn't a result of bad tuning. When this project gets complete and after a breakin period, I have to get it tuned again and PTuning will do it!!!


Question on your sig, do you have an intercooler? Are you turbo or run Juice???
car is currently in the shop getting a 6spd swap , and custom turbo kit , a non sfr kit.

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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1
boosted but not by SFR , car is currently in the shop getting a 6spd swap
Nice, got any pictures or a thread on your build, I'd like to see it. What about numbers. I noticed in your picture you still have your battery so I'm curious of the turbo location and fit???
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Nice, got any pictures or a thread on your build, I'd like to see it. What about numbers. I noticed in your picture you still have your battery so I'm curious of the turbo location and fit???
the pic was taken right before it went into the shop , it was a mock up of where the intercooler will sit.

the turbo itself will be mount underneath the battery , GT35

As it stand I wont be doing anything until the tranny is put in its place.
Since were using a 05 Altima Tranny and A33 pedals and swap parts and A34 Axles . it will take some time to get her up and running again before we see #s.

Im not going to post build thread until shes finshed because we know how the .org gets on everyones case on unfinshed projects.
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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1
the pic was taken right before it went into the shop , it was a mock up of where the intercooler will sit.

the turbo itself will be mount underneath the battery , GT35

As it stand I wont be doing anything until the tranny is put in its place.
Since were using a 05 Altima Tranny and A33 pedals and swap parts and A34 Axles . it will take some time to get her up and running again before we see #s.

Im not going to post build thread until shes finshed because we know how the .org gets on everyones case on unfinshed projects.
That's why I post my builds in phases. People learn a lot from a build and I haven't received any real negative feedback from my builds and you actually could help more 6th genners than hurt. Your call, I personally am not intimidated or discouraged by anyone on this forum on what I want to do, I've actually received a lot of help, thoughts, support, advice, and comments that make you go Hmmmmmmm. Last, if you can fit a quality Turbo under the battery I'd be shocked and will have learned another lesson in life!!!

Bottom line, I take in everything, purge the B/S and move forward with what I want on my dime!!!

PS, I'd also like to see a picture with your hood down seeming how the vents look like they are installed in a location other than what was done with the available CF hood???

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That's why I post my builds in phases. People learn a lot from a build and I haven't received any real negative feedback from my builds and you actually could help more 6th genners than hurt. Your call, I personally am not intimidated or discouraged by anyone on this forum on what I want to do, I've actually received a lot of help, thoughts, support, advice, and comments that make you go Hmmmmmmm. Last, if you can fit a quality Turbo under the battery I'd be shocked and will have learned another lesson in life!!!

Bottom line, I take in everything, purge the B/S and move forward with what I want on my dime!!!

PS, I'd also like to see a picture with your hood down seeming how the vents look like they are installed in a location other than what was done with the available CF hood???

its not the CF hood , We did a few hoods here are some of the pics that my shop does

http://forums.maxima.org/7025192-post40.html
Stillpimpin hood


My cousin 500HP VR4 , still needs a retune to break 6 ... already rape m5 and a carrea

I have vents instead of a cut out,

The goal is to get heat out and not trap it underneath the hood.

As for the informative build thread or what not. It seems to be cover and sometimes everyone on the fourms knows everything and quick to answer things that are misinformative as well.

My guy is from the UK and hes done Numerous VQs and also is a Jenvey Dealer ,hes done that and wrote the book on VQs and as well as ITB setups.
I run thru my build thread with him before I would on here because of the simple fact everyone has a differnt setup and opinions.

He has done a 3rd gen , 4th gen and 5.5 gen turbo. current one he just finshed up is my buddy Stillpimping VQ35

Base on his setup and how he did his and he was a differnt route to try and fit the turbo underneath the battery.

If you look at your head and where the header/manifold bolts on too. you will see the bolts that hold the 14mm in place. if you look you can repostion the bolts, that makes it easier to use the g35 manifold.

I will still be running the downpipe into true dual exhuast setup.. I do not like the way the SFR kit routes the downpipe across the intake manifold. Even with it Jet coat and Heat Wrap , your still going to have some sort of heat asboring back into the intake pipe.

This is where my shop saw the kit in person and now it making adjustments.
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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1
its not the CF hood , We did a few hoods here are some of the pics that my shop does

http://forums.maxima.org/7025192-post40.html
Stillpimpin hood


My cousin 500HP VR4 , still needs a retune to break 6 ... already rape m5 and a carrea

I have vents instead of a cut out,

The goal is to get heat out and not trap it underneath the hood.

As for the informative build thread or what not. It seems to be cover and sometimes everyone on the fourms knows everything and quick to answer things that are misinformative as well.

My guy is from the UK and hes done Numerous VQs and also is a Jenvey Dealer ,hes done that and wrote the book on VQs and as well as ITB setups.
I run thru my build thread with him before I would on here because of the simple fact everyone has a differnt setup and opinions.

He has done a 3rd gen , 4th gen and 5.5 gen turbo. current one he just finshed up is my buddy Stillpimping VQ35

Base on his setup and how he did his and he was a differnt route to try and fit the turbo underneath the battery.

If you look at your head and where the header/manifold bolts on too. you will see the bolts that hold the 14mm in place. if you look you can repostion the bolts, that makes it easier to use the g35 manifold.

I will still be running the downpipe into true dual exhuast setup.. I do not like the way the SFR kit routes the downpipe across the intake manifold. Even with it Jet coat and Heat Wrap , your still going to have some sort of heat asboring back into the intake pipe.

This is where my shop saw the kit in person and now it making adjustments.

- That's what I want a crowl type hood which vents heat toward the rear of the hood.

- Yes but if you think every post is misinformative you will fail to see the ones that are informative. I have never put my trust into any one builder without bouncing ideas or concepts off the chest of others with equal experience or more experience.

- I've had some pretty smart people on this forum address issues with my numerous builds that I then asked my builder and in some instances stumped them or it was an aspect he did not consider (tunnel vision). Bottom line when I move forward on a project or rebuild there is like 5-10 people I call to cross check information, concerns, problems, lesson's learned, etc.

- Any links to his other Maxima Build Successess? Shop webste, Org post, successes, numbers, pictures, etc, etc. All that trust should come with a link!!!

- Last, they may want to fudge around with the piping all they want, that still will not give you any kind of room to mount any type of quality Turbo under the battery since right below the battery is all frame. So the tradeoff is better piping to support a smaller Turbo, or a better Turbo to support the unique piping configuration required to put a Turbo in the 6th Gen. At the end of the day I suspect your battery will be trunk mounted!!!

- Regardless when all is said and done, post what you did...
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^^ Chern I personally built a KA24DE-T back in 1998 , I was a tech at Nissan and had my own performance shop , just a quick background , Ive done some SRs , a FD3 (1993 RX7)

I have grown tired of doing that as a career , I build cars in my sparetime for fun.
As for the informative here , I read it and thats about it.. If its been done then and proving then so be it.

as for one builder , if bounce around shops to shop someone will screw you. I stay with one shop because hes done work , my shop doesnt do it for the glory and is out there to prove much , Hes done alot of work while in the UK and very reputable guy down here.

The Tuner is a differnt story, Lance Ho , Crispeed and WrightTouch's Steven are pretty damn good in the import industry.

As for the turbo mounting , its not up to me , its how he wants to sit it. The Sub Frame can always be cut out if need to.
If you tell my shop guy he cant do it.. hes the type that will do it just to bust some *****. As for where the battery sits it doesnt really matter to me.. if we can get away without rerouting it then thats what were going to do.

The only link I can support is that Injected Peformance has selling his ITBs that he design , As for other VQs hes done they are all in SFL. May I also remind you these VQs are the 350zs in the UK SCCA version.

All motor ITBs running his Emerlad Standalone setup and producing over 300bhp.

You might as well PM stillpimpin, gtrrider , skep , essential are a few guys that hang out at the shop and they can tell you what the man is all about.

since the moment I got the maxima my goal was boost before the SFR kit. And just like your issue without 3rd gear I was busy with my tech friends at Nissan trying to resolve the problems which set me back.

the setup would have been completed last year if not that I lost my job. And now that im back on track im going to get this out of the way and start on a new project after im done with her.
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Cool, I also don't bounce around shops, my guy is local, I also don't like shipping my car off to places to get work done. My guy has done my Turbo install, BBK install, and now the engine rebuild. I like it like that so I can show up and monitor progress or jump in and turn some wrenches with him or learn new things. I was a missile systems technician in the Navy before I became an officer so I try and apply my mechanical engineering background on how things work. I also lived in Japan for 12 years owning and driving a Nissan Skyline GT, Nissan Fairlady Z, then a Nissan Bluebird SSS-G and learned a lot from my Japanese friends and their way of tuning and modding. So when I came back to the US in 2002, we needed a new SUV for the family. Then when I was getting ready to retire from the Navy and started my 2nd career working for a Defense contractor, we needed a second vehicle and I told my wife it was going to be a Nissan and that was the same year the new 6th Gens came out so I bought the Max.

My car is only one of my many hobbies, I also like diving, fishing, crabbing, landscaping, construction, guns, and collecting old sports and unique memorabilia. Anyway I feel both your pain and passion when it comes to quality builds that take time and hopefully doesn't burn a hole in your wallet. When all is said and done, I'd like to see pictures of the build or progress and if you don't want to put the info out there, then PM me the info. I like seeing new and innovative ideas and may even adapt some. Anyway good luck...

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^^ Chern I personally built a KA24DE-T back in 1998 , I was a tech at Nissan and had my own performance shop , just a quick background , Ive done some SRs , a FD3 (1993 RX7)

I have grown tired of doing that as a career , I build cars in my sparetime for fun.
As for the informative here , I read it and thats about it.. If its been done then and proving then so be it.

as for one builder , if bounce around shops to shop someone will screw you. I stay with one shop because hes done work , my shop doesnt do it for the glory and is out there to prove much , Hes done alot of work while in the UK and very reputable guy down here.

The Tuner is a differnt story, Lance Ho , Crispeed and WrightTouch's Steven are pretty damn good in the import industry.

As for the turbo mounting , its not up to me , its how he wants to sit it. The Sub Frame can always be cut out if need to.
If you tell my shop guy he cant do it.. hes the type that will do it just to bust some *****. As for where the battery sits it doesnt really matter to me.. if we can get away without rerouting it then thats what were going to do.

The only link I can support is that Injected Peformance has selling his ITBs that he design , As for other VQs hes done they are all in SFL. May I also remind you these VQs are the 350zs in the UK SCCA version.

All motor ITBs running his Emerlad Standalone setup and producing over 300bhp.

You might as well PM stillpimpin, gtrrider , skep , essential are a few guys that hang out at the shop and they can tell you what the man is all about.

since the moment I got the maxima my goal was boost before the SFR kit. And just like your issue without 3rd gear I was busy with my tech friends at Nissan trying to resolve the problems which set me back.

the setup would have been completed last year if not that I lost my job. And now that im back on track im going to get this out of the way and start on a new project after im done with her.
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^^ man If I knew you in 2000 , I would have glad worked out a way to import a U13 Bluebird SSS to the states. Even with replacing the KA with a SR in my U13 I would still never gotten AWD.

If I find one even now I would glad ditch my project and jump back into the car that started me.
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Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1
This is kind of discouraging, I was under the impression that the VQ Rods are pretty strong, and the weak part is the pistons and the rings itself under boost.

The RWD guys have been pushing close to 400 on stock block with no issues, was it your tuning that could have cause this ? or the amount of dyno time ?
Not that I have ever looked into what parts match and what don't, how identical are the parts from the RWD to the FWD versions, can a transverse mounted VQ be taken out and put into a longitudinal layout

So would it be safe to say that if you add a turbo to the Maxima, your gonna eventually need new pistons, rings and rods
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Not that I have ever looked into what parts match and what don't, how identical are the parts from the RWD to the FWD versions, can a transverse mounted VQ be taken out and put into a longitudinal layout

So would it be safe to say that if you add a turbo to the Maxima, your gonna eventually need new pistons, rings and rods
it depends on the power you want , if your pushing for big numbers than your going to need to upgrade, its all in your tune as well.

I have a local here that is boosted a s13 240sx on a Stock block KA24DE-T

he making over 700hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpNVKnrTz4
You can see more of the vids, sick car with an awesome tune..

They said stock block couldnt handle 400, I was on a fourm called KA-T.org
and had people making well over 800.

All it depends on how you build your setup, which turbo you decide and the power range your making.

Since the RWD guy has already stated about 400 safely and the HR motor to handle 600.
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For the build, I also decided to drop in these to see how they perform:

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OK, Engine is back in and lower accessories are being reconnected. Awesome work and the engine looks almost brand new, lets hope it works as well (insert fingers crossed). So that's the good news. Now for the bad news, when the car was parked outside, 2 idiots were horsing around with a piece of heavy rubber, still not sure what, so when one went to throw it, guess who's car roof it hit??? They will fix it but I'm still pissed because it's more down time on the car...



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Damn, sorry to here about the roof Chern- those kids deserve an a** whoopin! Glad the engine build is going well.
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i cant wait to see the power this cars makes im getting inpatient i could imagine how you feel... ha good luck
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i cant wait to see the power this cars makes im getting inpatient i could imagine how you feel... ha good luck
That makes 2 of us.
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you went low compression, with internal weight reduction, should do well over 400whp now.
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playing with a piece of rubber? thats almost as bad as when i caught a flying egg at 50mph and had a softball size area of chips on the hood...hood is gone now htough i took care of that in an accident.
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playing with a piece of rubber? thats almost as bad as when i caught a flying egg at 50mph and had a softball size area of chips on the hood...hood is gone now htough i took care of that in an accident.
Did the Chicken get pulled over for reckless driving...
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hows it all goin chern give us an update i check this thread like 3 times a day lol
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hows it all goin chern give us an update i check this thread like 3 times a day lol
Monday if all goes well is Turn key day!!!
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Sorry to hear about the roof. Good to hear that the engine is in and ready to wake up.
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Sorry to hear about the roof. Good to hear that the engine is in and ready to wake up.

Like everything else my Bro, fingers and Toes crossed!!!
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Originally Posted by chernmax
Did the Chicken get pulled over for reckless driving...
the chicken fled under cover of night, i didnt stand a chance.
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so today was the day you were suppose to start it up howd things go chern did u get to hear it prrrrr
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so today was the day you were suppose to start it up howd things go chern did u get to hear it prrrrr
More like tomorrow, waiting on a belt tentioner from Nissan because the original was accidently bent when he tighted it in the wrong direction and stripped the treads. In some ways it's a good thing because I'm down hard with the flu. And it sucks!!!
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Chern...I hate to ask you since you've probably said it a million times...but...what turbo did you go with?
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Is this thing faster 0-60 and qtr mile than the last gen evo? I might try finding a low mile example of one when the max is spent.

Maybe this is a stupid question I didnt realize they go 4.4 and 12.9 stock.

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Originally Posted by DrunkieTheBear
Chern...I hate to ask you since you've probably said it a million times...but...what turbo did you go with?
Turbonetics T60-1
Old Jun 2, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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From: Displaced New Yorker in Southern, MD
Originally Posted by 04BlackMaxx
Is this thing faster 0-60 and qtr mile than the last gen evo? I might try finding a low mile example of one when the max is spent.

Maybe this is a stupid question I didnt realize they go 4.4 and 12.9 stock.
My Max cannot beat those numbers in my current configuration...
Old Jun 2, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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So im new to all this, I have a 2000 max completly stock, i want to start upgrading, i need some opinions on where to start
Old Jun 2, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by greyghost00
So im new to all this, I have a 2000 max completly stock, i want to start upgrading, i need some opinions on where to start
by posting in the right section

5TH GEN DISCUSSION...http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...a-2000-2003-7/
Old Jun 2, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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From: Displaced New Yorker in Southern, MD
Originally Posted by greyghost00
So im new to all this, I have a 2000 max completly stock, i want to start upgrading, i need some opinions on where to start
My best advice is to get to 15 posts (then you can start your own thread) and start a new thread in the 5th Gen section which has many members who can give you better advice than us since this is a 6th Gen Forum. I would like to help but sorry the parts and available mods are different. Good luck and welcome to the Org.



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