hmmm well i guess you guys are right after all i mean the g only has a few things going for it

available in a 6 spd(if you are a driver then this is HUGE)
available in awd(considerably safer in bad weather)
luxury car(holds a boat load more value over time)
nicer interior
considerably faster(you didn't buy a high hp v6 to put along)
better dealership experience(like we give you a loaner)
many more mods available(you wouldn't be on this forum if you wanted to keep it 100% stock)
handles better
NO CVT(this is a good thing no car magazine really likes the cvt for a good reason)
considerably better built(ask anyone who works on these cars)
quieter cabin, less road noise

you complain about fuel economy yet you buy a $40k car. pahlease. if you wanted economy you wouldn't buy a v6.

the only place i see it as a clear winner is in interior space.

but hey i'm not going to convince a bunch of guys in the 7th gen forum that they invested 40k wrong now am I. I know it hurts your ego.

 

Is there really a point in you coming into the 7th gen forum since you apparently despise the car so much? I would think you'd be in a G37 forum. Sounds to me like you bought a G and wish you bought a Maxima now

 

i wouldn't buy any maxima with a cvt. they ruined the car the second it didn't have an option for a 5/6mt.

it's just a 4 door grocery getter now.

oh and extremly overpriced for what it is. there is no way a maxima should be even close to 40k let alone 35k.

 

well lets see, your wrong on most of your points about it being better in those areas except two, which I already pointed out. The CVT is better than the regular automatic for fuel economy so the idea that it has no benefits is laughable and the reason why most criticize is it is because they fear new mass market technology and change from conventional automatics and don't even knowledge the much improved fuel economy Nissan owners are getting. Let's see Infiniti meet the new US EPA fuel requirements that are coming in a couple years with their regular automatics!

You do realize that your actually trash talking your own car by putting down Nissan and the Maxima because the Infiniti is just a rebadged Nissan right? Just check the glass on your car and all the parts in your engine compartment, they all say Nissan on them, not Infiniti!

By the way, do you enjoy how the 7spd automatic hunts for gears when shifting? I've seen review after review complaining how unrefined Infiniti's 7spd automatic is because it spends too much time hunting and pecking for the right gear to be in. How embrassing to spend 40k on a car that hunts for gears!

Who buys an Infiniti for a V6 when they offer a plethora of gas guzzling V8s that only sacrifice 2mpg over their V6 components?

 

We don't have to be mean to each other now....we all have our own opinions and preferences...this is what makes the ORG so valuable......now....that being said....lets be nice to each other.....if the guy really likes the G....so be it...I know...he is on a 7th gen forum talking down the maxima....but all he is really doing is voicing his opinion on the two cars......in a forum about motor trend's review on the car...

whether you agree with him or not....remember...not ALL people like the new maxima.....true story.

 

quick question why are you here?
do you even own a 7th gen maxima?

 

How can it be invested wrong if everybody who made the decision is happy? Why are you so upset that we are happy with our decision? Sounds to me like you're too poor to own one and you're just jealous.

 

 

Countless reasons. Here are just a few:

At my age, I have no interest in buying someone else's problems, then finding myself sitting beside the road waiting for AAA. Life is too short for that.

When I was younger, I did buy used cars. In fact, I bought used cars for 35 years (from 1949 until 1984). I got to be pretty good at evaluating used cars. But the better I got at evaluating used cars, the more often I found problems with prospective purchases. Even as a fairly astute used car buyer, there were always wear-and-tear things that soon needed replacing or repairing. There is often a reason folks get rid of a car.

With the many natural disasters that have swept the country in the last decade, there are thousands of cars making the rounds that have been flooded, or otherwise damaged by the elements, then patched up and slipped into the used car market. There are also hundreds of illegal chop shops operating around the country that repair and sell vehicles that have officially been 'totaled.'

If you kept up with the way the market operates, you would know that MOST NEW CAR DEALERS NOW MAKE MORE MONEY ON A USED CAR SALE THAN ON A NEW CAR SALE. If a used car is actually in good shape, the dealer usually demands a steep price for it. The 'bargain' status has sort of gone out of the used car market.

Besides, a new car warranty is better than a used car warranty.

I buy new, keep the car in perfect condition, have all scheduled maintenance done by my dealer, then get it rated as 'certified' by that dealer when I am ready to trade it in, so get a huge chunk of my initial investment back in trade.

When truly reliable transportation is critical (and it should be for drivers over the age of 75 who frequently make long trips), used cars are not the best way to go.

 

You have a poor attitude, stockmaxima. Price and ego had absolutely ZERO to do with why I bought my Maxima, and that is probably true for many Maxima owners. You are out of line to suggest such.

Trying to say the G37 is better than the Maxima because certain of its features are more in fitting with your personal preferences is using the same egotistical and closed-minded approach as the Motor trend article. In fact, some of the points you list as ADVANTAGES for the G37 are actually VALID REASONS TO ELIMINATE the G37 for many buyers who prefer the Maxima.

You are obviously not a fan of the Maxima, and you continually push items that are purely personal preference as 'reasons' the G37 is better than the Maxima. After the first round, pushing those reasons leaves the area of 'discussion' and enters the area of badgering. You are truly not presenting yourself as an open-minded person who could actually grasp that the Maxima is a better choice than the G37 for many car buyers. That is a shame.

 

"The cockpit is superb," says editor at large Arthur St. Antoine, "light years better than the old car's, and one of the best in the class."
A fan of the interior? Yes. A fan of the car as a whole? Not really. "For cruising around town, the Maxima works well enough. But after a while the CVT and its peculiar, non-sporty behavior get tiresome. In my opinion, it wrecks this car. And the front-drive layout finishes the job. If Nissan's intent really was to build a 'four-door sports car,' the choice of FWD seems absurd. Why would you ever buy this car over an Infiniti G37?" On Web producer Melissa Speiring's baby seat test: "I had to have Kirill's strength to help me attach the two lower latches to the rear seat. The hooks are located deep in the cushions, and the straps of the baby seat barely reached them."

Maxima MSRP $37,235

 

There's a stickied thread for this sub-topic. Please take it over there.


Aren't those numbers in the wrong places? I get the distinct impression that you're trolling for heated rebuttal. It's one thing to disagree or to explain your views, not so nice to be disagreeable about it.


Light has got it pretty well nailed. Seriously, try to step outside yourself a bit and come to understand that cars are a little like shirts or shoes. One size – or style - does not fit all.


But I will tackle a few points.
Not true. AWD will get you going more easily. What it won't do is make you stop any better or merely by its presence provide cornering that's any better. Tell me how the potential for greater speed when the road conditions are poor without guaranteed concurrent improvements in the other two aspects of vehicle behavior equates to greater safety.


Awfully presumptuous of you to assume that everybody's preferences, reasons for purchase choice, and reasons for forum membership must completely match your own. I'm not saying that yours are wrong, just that they are not by any means universal. Keep that in mind.


There's a stickied thread for this sub-topic. Please take it over there.


Norm

 

Care to enlighten us about how reprinting carefully selected portions of MT's review adds anything to it? Or what the links to the clublexus forum index page has to do with anything here.


As for your boldface, "There's a stickied thread for this sub-topic. Please take it over there.".


Norm

 

I find it odd that you're pointing out that the CVT and FWD take this car out of the 4DSC arena. Many have already pointed out that marketing the vehicle as a 4DSC was a mistake on Nissan's marketing department part. As light pointed out, many people bought a Maxima BECAUSE it is FWD and BECAUSE of the CVT for fuel economy.

While i didn't necessarily buy it for the FWD or CVT, I came to the Maxima from a 350z fully realizing that the car is NOT a sports car. In fact in an above post i've even stated that i'm having to adjust to both. Yes it has some "sporty" features, but that is not the role this car is meant for and i do not think anyone will disagree that opinion.

The bottom line is many of us thought the Maxima fit our current needs or desires more than the G37. I don't think throwing "facts" from MT at us that the G37 is superior in every way is going to make us suddenly "see the light" and go trade our Maximas in for Gs.

 

+1

That is exactly what I've been saying. People have more problems I think with the Maxima, not because of anything with the car itself (ie FWD/CVT) but because Nissan screwed up royally on the marketing for the car as a return to a true 4DSC, which they shoved down everyones throats in every commercial for the Maxima in the last two years.I agree, the FWD/CVT doesn't allow the car to truly become a 4DSC, but but but, THAT IS OKAY! The Maxima is perfect the way it is and as light poined out, offers better alternatives then what the G37 offers that appeals to a tremendous amount of buyers, considering the Max outsells the G almost 2 to 1!

I thinkt that if Nissan hadn't marketed it as a true 4DSC or slap that stupid sticker on the rear window, we wouldn't be hearing a lot of the crap we have been about the Maxima from people. They should have marketed it as a upscale performance sedan! That is what it truly is.

The G37 Sedan and Maxima are two entirely different Beasts which cater to two different types of car buyers depending on what you want out of a car and that is fine. Its good that these cars have driving differences to distinguish themselves from each other. We don't need another Maxima/I35 copy cat thing going on!

 

Maxima MSRP $37,235.

Mine was 27.7k... since we both prefer cloth seats and have a FREE voice guided navigation on a Nokia phone that works great, the S was an easy choice for us. All it lacks are some toys which we either have or won't use. The Max seems about 4-5k less expensive if that is a factor.

 

you still got that amazing engine =)

 

The one stat that matters in the maxima vs g37 debate is sales. The max kicks the g37 along with other cars in that class. The rest of the stats is subjective to the buyer.

All this g37 vs 7th gen max. The best quote that sums it up:
stockmaxima FTW - Take your pick and move on.


All though I like to have my family car with a manual tranny. LOL

P.S. It took motortrend a longterm tests to conclude that the maxima was not a 4DSC. Theses guys are $^%&*%* geniuses.

 

I'm going to try and comment on this subject, though I have in the past, I feel like I can give a pretty damn good gauge for this subject as I currently drive an 09 Maxima, and I used to have a g35S (same as g37, just had the 3.5).

First off, I've had quite a few cars to date, some nice some not and my 07
g35S was my favorite car so car (even better than my 05 m3 overall). This doesnt mean I think the G is a better car than the Max though, it's just better at what it's supposed to do as opposed to what the Max is "marketed to do".

My g35S was a 6mt and RWD, so obviously points are scored already in the sports sedan dept there. Driving wise the car was much faster, had much better handling, and it seemed a bit better build quiality as well. Interior in the car was very similar to the Max, but it was also quite a bit smaller. Sports seats were also much better for hard driving though I can see if your a big person they might be uncomfortable. I'm 6 foot 210 lbs and I was just on the border line lol, any bigger and I would have been screwed. Looks is a subjective, even though I thought the G looked great, I think the Max is a nicer looking car.

Now what the Maxima I feel does better than my G is just being a nice daily driver with great power and a lot of comfort and luxury. It has some nice sports appeal for it, as for big car it does handle very well and definately gets out of its own way. It is a hell of a lot more comfortable than my G too. The luxury features in the Max such as Panoramic roof and heated/cooled driver seat are great. The G had its luxury features as well most of which are in the Max, but the Maxima executes them better in terms of luxury, where the G did more so in terms of sport.

To say one car is better than the other is only opinion based, theyre both great cars. I got into the Maxima knowing that I hate CVT and don't really like FWD either, because my driving record isnt the greatest LOL, so I figured it would help slow me down...and I had the G already. Of the two cars, my G was better suited for me, I'm 26 years old, single, like performance oriented cars, like to row my own gears etc...but I still love my Max, and still almost everytime I walk away from it I have to turn around and look at it because of how good it looks.

Sorry this wasnt that well written, I'm at work and just found time here and there to fit it in.

 

This sums it up right here folks, well said! The Max could pull that slogan off in the 3rd gen as it did not have that much competition, but in subsequent years and generations more competition hit the market and things got tougher for it. One of the competitors just so happen to be the 03 G35 (came out spring 02), similiar power etc to Max except it was rwd, Max FWD etc etc. The Max has had and always will have a loyal following as it was the sedan that brought "sporty" to Japanese sedans since the 2nd gen, long live the Max!

 

Monte: I dont see the max living long, it's stuck between the altima and G with no room to grow and maxed out on the price,power and fwd layout.

 

As long as it continues to have strong sales it will be around, BTW since 02 it has always been stuck between the G sedan and the "modern 3.5 Altima" and it has continued to sale decently to keep it around.

 

Can anyone tell me how many v6 altimas nissan sells? I know they sold about 24000 Altimas last month but how many of those are v6's?

 

4 cyl altimas out sell the 6 by about 12-1...if not more.

 

Not sure if that is the exact ratio but it is something like that. Its very hard to come by a V6 Altima in the color combo you want because of the lack of V6s. My local Nissan dealer only gets about 8-12 a year if they are lucky, so my salesman told me.

 

Based on that estimate can we assume this:

March V6 Sedan Sales

Maxima 6652
Altima V6 sedan 24649/6=4108 ( 6 to 1 Lets be conservative)
G37 Sedan 4021
M (v6 & v8) 1440

Source Nissan News

Others V6 Vehicles
Murano 5490
G37 coupe 1650
370z 1095

So I think the maxima has its place in the nissan lineup.
This is just for march which finally has shown an increase in altima and G37 sales from the previous 3 to 4 months.

 

It's something like that. I worked in Nissan sales for 5 years before I started service.

 

Based on Sales and BluFlame's arguments, Nissan/Infinity would be better off terminating the G37, M series and the 370z.....


Um, I don't see THAT happening....

 

exactly! right before i went to buy my maxima i was looking into the 3.5se altima with leather, no dealer around me had a 3.5 altima in stock, i even tried dealers in other states (nj,ct) and nothing

 

UPDATED

Altima sales ( 1100 US dealer & 148 Can dealers @ 12 per/ Yr) = 1248/month
I think that is kind of low


March V6 Sedan Sales

Maxima 6652
G37 Sedan 4021
M (v6 & v8) 1440
Altima V6 sedan 1248

Source Nissan News

Others V6 Vehicles
Murano 5490
G37 coupe 1650
370z 1095

 

trust me the dealers want it that way, and my Nissan salesman even admitted that to me last year; even when they get V6s Altimas on the lot, they give good incentives and prices to push them out the door quickly because they take away from the Maxima; they want it so that they only have I4's on the lot, so that when the customer comes in and says, I want a V6 sedan, they can say, oh well you'll have to move up into the Maxima to get that, and of course, that means more money!! got to love sales!!

 

I think a good portion of them are down here in the Dallas and Houston areas, I see lots of them on the roads and dealers have a good stock of them.

 

yes this is correct, I remember even asking the sales guy why doesnt any dealer around doesnt have a v6 altima in stock, and his answer was because of the maxima, this was about a little over a year ago too when the maxima was still new to the market

 

I can always typically find at least 1 at my local Nissan dealer and maybe 1 or 2 around the area at any given time but they are always in color combos I don't like. My local dealer loves getting V6 Altimas with black exterior/black leather interiors

What am I, a Gothic war lord?

 

Hey now!!!!! Black on Black is my preferred color combo!

 

This is so far from being correct. For starters I usually have at least 10 v6 Altima's in stock at any given time, but I assume that's not always the same for most dealers, as we do usually the second highest volume in our district I guess we just have a bigger inventory. As far as the salesmen rather you take a maxima vs a v6 altima, it's not even close to being true. A v6 altima and an S maxima carry about the same exact profit margin, where a fully loaded up altima actually has MORE profit in it that an S maxima. Maxima's have more profit built into them when you go either with premium or sports package.

Trust me the salesmen only told you that either because they had no v6's altima in stock, or the maxima had a better incentive at the time which makes it easier sale and easier to hold some profit.

 

It is the truth, just because your specific dealership has it does not mean others follow the same rule and the majority of Nissan dealerships I visit, tend to follow this, not all of course but most. Every dealer is privately owned and operates differently from the next one. That is what my local and another Nissan dealer 20 minutes away told me and I know for a fact its true because I visit their lots frequently throughout the year looking at cars and 8-12 V6s a year is about right for what I see.

By the way, it had nothing to do when I got my Max, there were 2 loaded 3.5SEs on the lot, but as I mentioned, none in color combos I would ever consider and the 2010 Max had just come out so there was no incentives at the time. I got the Max because I could afford it, it was more refined then the Altima in almost every way, and it had all the tech/features and color combo I wanted for a decent price so it was a no brainer.

 

Agreed. I wouldnt even look twice at an Altima. It's not a bad car either, it's actually a great car...just not for me.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the Altima to, and I can see why it appeals to so many people that they buy it each month, but it had a very different feel behind the wheel then the Maxima did and I just enjoyed driving the Maxima more. Plus, people stare at me all the time in the Maxima, while I wouldn't get that in a Altima. Still, as you said, especially in the SL version, it is a very nice car and I would recommend it to people.

 

One note on the G37/Maxima discussion: I test drove a G37 6MT and hated the clutch engagement. It was either on or off--not my cup of tea! Since 7th gen Maximas don't come with a MT, ended up buying a used 6th gen Maxima instead to replace my 4th gen. Best alternative out of the options, even though I was leery of buying used.