If anything I'd think your an Infiniti salesman trying to convince us we should be all in G37's then a Maxima! Again, your hooked up on this stupid stupid epa crap which everyone has told you means absolutely nothing! Many on here, myself included, are passed the epa numbers on our Maxima's here IN THE REAL WORLD, which is something you seem to not be able to get accept . Show me some actual G37 owners getting the mpgs we are getting and then you'd be more credible! You can't so quoting epa estimates are all you can do to make up for your lack of proof. uppet:

 

well, he is right about the modding potential and the milage.
And I think a 3.7L engine getting mpg numbers close to a 3.5L engine is a technological achievement in itself.

 

The G37 Sedan gets pretty decent fuel economy for its larger and more powerful engine (22-23mpg avgs with mid to high 20's on highway/interstate is nothing to sneeze at either), I'll admit that, but its not exceeding the mpg numbers the Maxima is getting IN THE REAL WORLD with its CVT and FWD!

 

CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT.

Your remark 'AUTOMAKERS WOULD BE FLOCKING TO IT (the CVT) IN DROVES' is in fact prophetic. The reality is that the percentage of cars using a CVT HAS exploded exponentially over the last decade. For instance, Toyota dropped the ball in CVT development, and I see where they are now negotiating with Nissan for rights to use the CVT design Nissan developed.

Engineers are fairly smart. As we get nearer the 2015 strict MPG requirements, you will see more and more vehicles switching to the CVT. That is not because the CVT is cheaper (NOTHING could be cheaper than a manual); it is based on performance and efficiency. You can argue until you are blue in the face (if you aren't already), but reality is reality.

The CVT is still in the evolving stage, and the one on this 7th gen Maxima is the first one I feel to be comparable with the hundred-some year old Manual tranny and the fifty-some year old automatic. But the evolving CVT will continue to improve, while the old manual and automatic trannies are rather limited in how much better they can get.

Simple laws of Physics tell us that, all else being equal, a tranny that does not have to shift will out-accelerate any tranny that shifts, and do it more efficiently. If you disagree, go argue with Albert Einstein or Steven Hawking.

You continue to quote the inaccurate EPA numbers, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NOW TOLD YOU FOUR TIMES THOSE NUMBERS ARE PROVING WRONG IN ACTUAL DRIVING. Your head has to be sore from butting it against a stone wall.

Also, as we have now told you at least four times, the G37 may be the best car FOR YOU, but the Maxima is the best car for a greater number of drivers, and sales numbers show that very clearly.

When you are old and wise, you will understand the poor judgement involved in your continuing to repost arguable or disproven 'facts' on the prime Maxima board trying to show that, because a car is best FOR YOU, that makes it a better car than our Maxima. If you think about this carefully, you will understand why that approach is not a logical one, and will naturally meet with some disapproval here.

As you are presently driving a Maxima, this board will have information you might have use for. We welcome all intelligent discussion of our Maxima. You stated your belief the G37 is better. Others here told you why they felt you were not correct. That was fine. But you refused to drop the issue, which, considering you are on a Maxima board, is more than presumptuous. If you really think about this, it would make far better sense for you to post any further 'G37 is better than the Maxima' thoughts on the G37 board.

 

I'm sorry not trying to be a jerk but do you know what those sales numbers are roughly? I'm only saying this because in Los Angeles there are a lot I mean a lot more G37s then Maximas on the road.

 

stockmaxima you are wasting your time here. If you post on ANY other forum they will agree with you. The G35 replaced the Maxima as Nissan's sporty/luxury sedan in 2003. The Max was turned into more of a family sedan with added luxury and in that aspect it does very well.

The Maxima should be compared with the ES350, Acura TL FWD, Toyota Avalon, and Buick LaCrosse.

The G37 should be compared with the 335i, C350, S4, and Genesis.

When it comes down to it, every Maxima owner wishes they had the 3.7L engine and the 7speed AT. After all it is an Epic combination.

Comparing the Maxima and the G37 is like comparing the Avalon to the GS350...which would you rather have?

Or comparing a Hyundai Azera to the Genesis...which would you rather have?

 

I'll save you the time light,
here is a link.

The Maxima has surpassed the G coupe and sedan together by 1000 units in the month of March. What this means, I dunno.

Please nobody get upset with me as I am only posting facts with a link. I am not in the Maxima vs G argument nor the CVT vs geared argument.

http://www.nissannews.com/assets/att...ease_NNA_2.pdf

 

Odd, but I don't recall anybody here claiming that. MT let their opinion get distracted by it is all.


Norm

 

Not really. 200cc is not nearly enough difference in displacement, and unless you're continuously operating at somewhere above 5500 rpm the HP difference isn't much coming into play either.


Norm

 

Just because I found a little extra time and finally managed to remember where I put something . . .

If you haven't seen this link before, you might be interested in reading it. Keep in mind that CVT efficiency could already be higher if greater torque management control (read: less engine torque allowed) at the low ratio end wasn't expected to meet with a disproportionate amount of customer resistance.

But the big point of interest with respect to what I boldfaced above should be to see the trends in transmission fitment by general type. "Flocking to" isn't going to be an overnight occurrence, but you'll see a trend.

Bottom paragraph here.


Once you start paying even a little attention to the threads involving modifications that you yourself would not choose to make, you'll discover a whole "new" arena of mods that may have nothing whatsoever to do with the simplistic measure of vehicle performance that you're implying.

Not all performance mods need involve the powertrain. There is performance to be had from choosing the proper tires, wheels, and suspension bits - quite separate from any appearance aspects that may accompany such choices.

Appearance mods are perhaps the oldest non-performance category, with "exhaust sound" (that rarely generates enough performance improvement to matter) probably in second place.

Electronics and in-car entertainment mods and stuff connected with or associated with navigation systems are legitimately mods, and discussions of them have increased considerably over the years on most fora (not just this one).

Whether mods that do not improve any sort of vehicle performance appeal to you (or me, for that matter) does not disqualify them from being mods, or make them any less worthy of forum discussion.


Norm

 

Most of the disdain directed towards the 7th Gen seems to stem from 2 little stickers on the back window...a creation of the marketing department in order to drum up a little excitement...yeah 4DSC. Those 4 characters are firing people (and a lot of automobile rags) up I seem to notice. Oh well get over it people. It is what marketing departments do.

FWD has always been Maxima, so that's nothing new, but the CVT seems to also **** people off in conjunction with no manual offering. It's a shame because the Maxima is really a great car...good looks/styling, nice performance (Not the best but more than adequate), and it offers some really good options on par with some true luxury vehicles.

Why even compare it to the G37? The G37 offers different features for a different audience. Considering they are produced by the SAME company it would be retarded for Nissan to spec out the Maxima the same as the G37...have you ever heard of cannibalization?

To be totally honest though...Logically speaking, if I could do it again, I probably would have purchased a base model G37. Money wasn't the problem, I just developed an emotional connection to the 7th Gen Maxima after renting one in California and literally falling in love with it. Specs, drivetrain, measurables, etc. wasn't that much of a factor believe it or not...as crazy/stupid as that may sound.

 

Atleast one person is being honest ^

 

 

Not crazy or stupid at all.

In fact, once any given vehicle has met whatever minimum performance/feature/whatever standards that one sets for oneself, it's arguably the best reason for purchase. Even after it's gone, it'll still be satisfying to be able to look back and realize that you really did pick the car that best fit you at the time. With any luck at all, Maxim_ized, this one will "fit" you for as long as you keep it.



(It's still a shame that Nissan's marketing crew felt that slinging the "4DSC" tag toward people who either didn't know the history of either "SC" in general or "4DSC" in particular - or didn't care - was worth the risk of alienating those who did. Maybe they didn't do enough homework . . .)


Norm

 

I chose my Max over a G37 for one reason - the exterior of the Max is downright SEXY.

The inifiniti is just another boring design amongst many boring 'luxury' designs.

My wifes friend bought a G37x loaded over a loaded maxima because it had all wheel drive and she doesn't know the first thing about driving in the snow. That's fine. It was a priceless moment when my wife pulled into work with our new Max and her friend looked on in amazement and then said "I wish I bought a Maxima!"


also, fwiw, this same G37 owner is not too happy with the lack of low end acceleration with her 330 hp engine.

 

Very true.

The first thing I did after buying my '09 was remove the '4DSC' sticker from the left rear window and file it with the rest of the papers for the car. This Maxima is the absolute perfect SPORTY family sedan for me, and excels at everything that matters to me.

But, as wonderfully capable as this beauty is (I feel like I can turn on a dime and leave nine cents change), I don't consider it to actually be a 'sports car'. A true sports car often does not make the best family sedan for most families.

 

 

So, what's your definition of a 4DSC?

A 4-door corvette?

 

The Max could pull that slogan off in the 3rd gen as it did not have that much competition, but in subsequent years and generations more competition hit the market and things got tougher for it. One of the competitors just so happen to be the 03 G35 (came out spring 02), similiar power etc to Max except it was rwd, Max FWD etc etc. The Max has had and always will have a loyal following as it was the sedan that brought "sporty" to Japanese sedans since the 2nd gen, G series just has taken that to another level.

 

G37 might qualify.

It is powered and geared to accelerate extremely well (hence ends up getting around 25 to 28 on on long freeway trips, while this Maxima can exceed 30MPG), handles lateral moves extremely well (of course the Maxima does well in the slalom also) has a little less shoulder and hip room than the Maxima (a 4DSC is not aiming for extra lateral room), has RWD (preferable for most avid sports car fans, but not as desirable in inclimate weather or for family sedans as FWD - and don't even mention the more expensive and NON-4DSC AWD), has a 6 spd manual or 7 spd auto (for some preverted reason, a 'sports' car can have an automatic, but not a CVT), and has a slightly smaller trunk than the Maxima (luggage space is less important in a 4DSC than in a sporty family sedan).

So, by the descriptions I have just listed, the G37 should qualify as a 4DSC, while the Maxima is a sporty family sedan that manages to avoid those 4DSC characteristics that tend to lessen a car's function as a very nice family sedan.

And it is EXACTLY those differences that make the Maxima perfect for most family drivers that want something very capable and sporty to drive. Those drivers who put extreme performance and badging ahead of utility, function and family should have the G37 at the top of their list. For their needs and wants, the G37 is an excellent 4DSC. But for my needs and wants, a Ford Taurus or Buick LaCrosse would work better than a 4DSC G37.

 

You are so insightful and delve into deep thinking with your comments and opinions light! You are like the Yoda of maxima.org!

 

:metalmax:....I think the OP should change the title of this thread from Motor Trend to....can you guess.....MAXIMA vs G37....the saga continues.

 

Wow thats crazy, its just hard to see that but then again i live in a suburb of LA where large percent are high income families...Thanks for the link!

 

I understand what you mean but the crazy thing is that the highest package G compaired to the highest packaged Maxima is a difference of around $100! With that being fact it is hard to believe that income plays any factor in it.

(af20 don't take this the wrong way, this second part is not directed at you, it's just in general)
I don't see how price or income could play a factor in the choosing of these two cars. I could however understand how telling your co-workers around the water cooler that you just purchased a new Infinity might sound better for "status points" compaired to a new Nissan. So If you are considering these "status points" when shoping for a new car I would recommend that when you are around the office water cooler bragging about the new Infinity you just purchased, I would leave out the fact that "It gets great MPG too" because a person with those "status points" wouldn't give two s**ts about the couple of cents saved on gas.

 

Dude, I always sense a lot of animosity in your posts and from what I've read you don't even on a 7th Gen Maxima. Are you jealous of those with a 7th Gen?

Just asking.

Now, on to my real reply. You said that everyone of us with a 7th Gen really wants a G37 or the 3.7 with a 7spd Automatic. Well, I'm here to let you know, that isn't true.

I think most of us here could have easily afforded the G37 or for that matter did one better and bought the faster BMW 335i TT, so why is it you come here to ASSume you think you know what everyone wants?

I could've easily bought any car I desired to have but I liked the styling of the Maxima moreso than the G, I thought it wasn't just one of those lookalike cars and it bodes well in the performance category for me for the purposes I use my car for.

If you're going to come into this forum and spew garbage, maybe you should ask people here what they really want before ASSuming you know.

 

Maybe I had a poor dealer, but when I went to take a look at the G37 over the Maxima, the Maxima won hands down with the climate controlled (read cooled driver's seat.) I think the Infiniti guy said it wasn't offered (or maybe only in the convertible) which is what sent me to the Nissan dealership and sealed the deal. Status? I wouldn't call a Maxima an run of the mill commodity and for my driving style, either's performance aspects are more than sufficient. Hey, who knows, if they bring the climate controlled seat to the G37, maybe I'll give it a go in a couple of years!

 

If anything, he should be bowing to Nissan because if it wasn't for Nissan there wouldn't even be a G37 let alone any Infiniti's so without Nissan they have nothing and they forget that. All the parts under the hood have a Nissan sticker on the part, not Infiniti I should know since i have a FX35!

Infiniti Owners, Bow Down to Nissan!!!

 

Monsta is no where near jealous of the 7th gen.. far from it.....lol, he just expresses his opinion and sticks to it. He is an advid Max fan just like most of us.

 

Light we usually agree on most things, but no way would I take a Taurus or Lacrosse over the G37, no way. I like the Lacrosse's styling but driving it I felt underwhelmed.

 

I didn't say I would LIKE the Taurus or LaCrosse, but I REQUIRE FWD, which leaves out the G37. Ford and Buick now have very good reliability. Forget German makes; they have had reliability problems for years. I am steering clear of Toyota, because the recent $16 million fine is just the beginning. Toyota/Lexus still denies knowing about the runaway problem before last fall, yet I (and many others) became aware of it as far back as 1996. Toyota still has not really solved anything, and the vultures are circling.

I might consider a top-of-the-line Altima or Accord or FWD TL or Azera, but none of those excites me in the least. The problem is that I have gradually become a fan of this redesigned Maxima CVT, and most other CVTs are not yet refined enough to be as good as a manual or automatic, and are in smaller vehicles that would not work for me.

When we stop and think about this, how many full-size, sporty, roomy, reliable, stylish, FWD, CVT driven sedans are there, other than the Maxima? My particular wants and needs leave me with no other option.

 

That was MT's line in one of their recent issues . . . . (Pontiac G8 ==> possible revival as a Chevy). But see below.


In general, I agree.

But since I believe that the essence of 'sport' is a "less = more" kind of thing, I'd still place the G37 solidly in the GT category. One way to explain the difference might be that while a GT may still achieve the same hard numbers as a "sports car", it does so in somewhat more deliberate fashion than something with a harder sporting edge. Differences in transient "feel", I'd guess.

Nissan's classic and purest "4DSC" was probably the original 510. Pretty much a cut-rate BMW 1600 copy. Still a neat car from which to start a project.

FWD and "sport" need not be mutually exclusive. Within the SCCA Solo (autocross) activity, the car to beat in one of the limited modification classes – this class being for nominally streetable and fully emissions-legal cars - is still the 1989 Civic.

If you were to restrict yourself to Nissan's current and past parts bins, I think a really good 4DSC would start with a 2nd Gen chassis with a 5th Gen 3.0L engine (it's smoother than the larger 3.5 or 3.7). Maybe uprate the engine to 250 or so BHP and let it run to 7000 rpm. Tweak and firm up the suspension a bit and swap in slightly wider tires on wheels only big enough to allow a decent brake size. At one time, I was semi-seriously considering swapping my 2nd Gen's 152 HP SOHC setup out for the 190 HP DOHC package.

The acceptance of conventional automatics as "sporting" equipment hasn't happened overnight. It's taken several decades, and probably the success of automatics in drag racing as well. We aren't even into the CVT's second decade yet. FWIW, the small formula cars that run in SCCA's "F Modified" class do run a snowmobile-derived CVT. Noisy (they're lightly muffled 2-strokes), and the disparity between engine sound and speed is readily apparent, but those damn things are quick (last year's SCCA F-Mod National Champ runs locally to me, as does the 2008(year ?) F-Mod Ladies National Champ). Long story short, the performance potential certainly is there with a CVT; it's all of the other aspects that will take the time before full acceptance is achieved.


Norm

 

very well said!

I missed the remarks by lightonthehill as well. Those words were nicely put as well!

 

This tread reminds me of the battle of Gettysburg. The Union and Confederate armies were both moving about in southern Pennsylvania and by chance, they engaged each other in the town of Gettysburg. Here, we have a thread about Motor Trend that morphed into a dish-throwing argument over the merits of the Max vs. the G37.

I considered both cars before choosing the Max. Interior cabin tightness was the deciding issue. The "4DSC" sticker is nothing more than marketing hyperbole. The CVT is radically different than a discrete geared tranny. But it seems to work. The G37 model I was considering had AWD so its gas mileage was not that good. In comparison, it is remarkable that a car the size of a 7th Gen Maxima can deliver 22+ mpg. The G37 would have pulled in 17 mpg due to the AWD. The G37 runs like a scalded cat and is faster than the Max.

So in sum, I chose the Max based on my needs. Another person may have weighted performance features differently than me, leading him to buy a G37. Both of us are right. But having made the choice, neither has the right to disparage the other person's choice. Too much misplaced passion on this thread.

Consider this: Do people criticize the choice in spouse of others? Never happens. But automobiles are like sports teams: passionate criticism everywhere.

 

Maybe the dealers around here are different, but i actually priced the G37 i was interested in first and it rang in at $13,000 more than my Max. Both were fully loaded, but the G37 had the ht convertible which i would love. I could certainly afford the G i just didn't feel it was worth that much for the features. That puts me in the Audi/BMW/etc range. Maybe my dealerships are oddballs though

 

Agreed. The 3rd gen was the original 4DSC IIRC, and it was way ahead of it's competition at the time. Light has probably logged more miles in 3rd gen's than most of us - but I would say the 7th gen's sporting capabilities are more than equal to the 3rd gen.

 

++++11111 on that!

 

The 7th Gen is really a GT car. Too big to have a true sporting feel to it even though the hard performance measurements are there.

My 5th Gen is too big to be considered a "sports" car, and even the 2900 lb Mazda (which has a few suspension tweaks for autocrossing) isn't there either. By some "sports car" measures, the Mustang is better than either, but you are ALWAYS aware of its weight (3500-ish).

To have a good appreciation for "sport", I'm fairly well convinced that you need to have some seat time in something that weighs under about 2400 lbs curb.


Norm

 

You are correct sir but when I did my pricing I didn't compair to the G37 convertible since they don't offer one in the Max. I used each Nissan/Infinity websites and clicked the "build your car" link. The most expensive package for the G37 with no extra add ons (Sport 6MT) priced at $37,000 compaired to the Maximas most expensive package with no add ons (SV Premium) priced at $36,640. That's a Difference of $360. With the G having the larger more powerful 3.7 liter 328 horsepower engine it makes you wonder what the maxima has that puts these two prices so close together.. Is it the CVT?

Plus with the base models price difference only $2560 ( G @ $33,250 and Max @ $30,690) the Maxima out-sold the G by 951 units in the month of march alone! ( that's the sedan and coupe G vs the Max) . That's a large amount for one month @ a base price difference of only $2,560.

 

I really wish we could see how many of the Maxima's sales are personal sales vs fleets, National/Enterprise is a big purchaser of Maxima S's for its fleet. I know that National/Enterprise and Hertz buys G's but no where to the extent of Maxima's. If we could find that out that would end alot of this which actually sales more etc etc.

 

Ah i see. The only reason i considered the G37 was for the ht convert so it's the only model i priced. I wasn't aware the prices difference minus the convert was that close.