Maybe a dumb question, but what is the purpose of the WOT governor? Nissan must have had a good reason to include it I would think. Clearly it is an annoying feature that I would LOVE to get rid of, but in doing so would other systems be at risk of abuse or something?

 

Good question, thought the same thing. Mine hit approx 6300ish / 6400ish then settled at 6200 also.

 

Mine hits 6600 rpm and settles to 6400... i've noticed this when I switched to 93 Octane and only had 2 gallons of gas in the car (whether that means anything except keeping the weight down). My car ran a 13.87 at the track (after a couple weeks of figuring this thing out). I got it down now... main thing is in the how to launch it at the track. best 0 - 60 is 5.32 secs.

 

Your car is less restricted from the factory it would seem. That is really, really fast for a stock anything especially a front wheel drive car.

 

Another limited addition 310hp
Yall just wait until BD corrects this programing thing

 

Yeah, it's fast! You feel it when it's pulling! The launch though really makes a difference. If you hold the pedal @ 1200 rpm just to make it snug, then right before the light turns green (on the last yellow) rev. it to 1800 rpm, the brakes will start to give and the car will nudge, then you just floor it ! You gotta stage shallow though to give you that leeway. You won't get much wheel spin because the car is already moving a few inches and you'll get 2.17 ~ 2.20 60' foot times. With the car pulling hard and keeping the weight low (2 gallons of gas in the tank),
and giving the engine a good cooling off and go when it's in the 70's outside, you'll dip into the 13's. This motor really responds to cooler temps, more than other cars i've run...

 

I just wonder why the cars limited speed is set to ~ 130 mph ? Something to do with the CVT ? It should be 149, no ?
My car has 18" wheels, not the 19". Not sure if that would affect 1/4 mile times (well it would, but i don't know the weight difference of the wheels and overall diameter off the top...)

 

Agreed, that's very rare. Props man!

 

I've had my Bully Dog Power Pup for 2 weeks now, and I do notice a big difference especially on the freeway, it's given my max a big boost in that area, I have a stillen intake as my other mod so far it does compliment the programmer. I've added the update of course, but I do have one question though, when I download the update after this one I currently have, do I have to put my car back to stock settings, then apply the new update?
The only thing I did was just put my settings to premium I didn't mess with the rev limiter yet or anything else. I want more feedback and info before I do anything else.

 

Can you tell us how it effected your MPG on the premium setting? Can you give us a little more info on the performance side. You stated that you seen the most difference on the hwy correct? I was getting ready to order one and the dealer advised that my MPG will suffer major once I set it on premium, so with this I held off from buying. I can understand poor gas milage if you put your foot into it, but what if you drive normal, does it still suffer? Because I intend on keeping it on the premium setting at all times. This should compliment my intake and exhaust!
thanks

 

On the MPG side, I haven't really noticed anything because I'm still driving the same route to and from work, performance wise, it pulls away from annoying tail gaters really good! I drive on the I-15 alot I just have to keep my eye on the speedometer because it goes up there really quick. You just gotta remember to take it easy with the gas pedal especiall with the intake and exhaust mod and the programmer makes your maxima more of a beast!
Just drive it like normal and punch the pedal only when needed, that's what I usually do. Other than that, in my opinion it is worth it.

 

Let us get some track numbers eh ? So your butt dyno tells you the car is pulling faster. What about the 7100 rpm redline ? Does the car go up there but still taper down around ~ 6300 ? You think your mod combo is good for ~.5 seconds of your stock time ?

 

 

I was told the same. They're working on a WOT limiter removal for the Max and it should be available as an update. Also, the upcoming GT Tripple Dog Gas that's due (hopefully) early next month should have a superset of features as the PowerPup (so worth the wait IMO).

 

According to the info on their site the Triple Dog isn't for Nissans, it looks like its' only for American Trucks.

 

Is it even safe for the CVT to bring the RPM's up that high? im not worried about the engine because nissans VQ engine is a beast.... any input?...

 

hmm this is weird...

Triple Dog GT Gas Tuner 2000-09 Chevy/GMC/Cadillac
2005-09 Nissan/Infinity
2004-08 Ford/Linclon
2003-08 Dodge

I guess we'll have to wait and see...

http://www.jegs.com/i/Bully-Dog/159/40410/10002/-1

 

Peak power via these motors is made @ 6400 so a 6500 redline should be more than enough to increase performance without sacrificing much more stress on the CVT.

Honestly, 300 RPM isn't much at all stress wise.

 

Yeah, I know that this is what they put on their site at jegs but when you go here: http://www.bullydog.com/product/inde...uct_detail/149

Look what you see

I wanna believe you meant 300HP

That's a great question!! Does anyone here even know of the true efficiency/durability of the CVT over a serious long term of hardcore usage as in a racing application (track or street)??

 

No, 300RPM as in a 300RPM increase over stock. 6200 to 6500.

 

[quote=bk2k3max;7070885]Yeah, I know that this is what they put on their site at jegs but when you go here: http://www.bullydog.com/product/inde...uct_detail/149

Look what you see

Yep the "car' product hasn't been released yet, it will be by months end. Call them really nice folks on the phone.

 

Ok, got that Alpha-good deal!

Too bad for us that none of the Tuners recognized the WOT issues prior to their Chips/Programs being released for sale upfront.

I'm looking forward to the new release/update of the Power Pup, hopefully they will have it programmed to do what we're all expecting.

 

id really like to see what you guys with more mods would run proly 13.4-13.6 maybe

 

I'm shooting for 13.80s or better on 22s.

Now that's impressive for a heavy NA FWD V6.

 

It will be amazing if you break 14.4 on 22's. 17 inchers are the ticket for fast launches. You need a completely redone computer as the stock unit will eventually override and nullify your gains with bolt-ons.

 

What do you mean when you say "Completely redone computer?"

 

The smaller the wheel-the less rotational mass. It'll take more torque to turn those big 22's and as Mick7 mentioned 17's would be a better way to go with these cars, the only problem you'll have is how to get the power to the ground without spinning out too much.
Personally for me, I think 18's are a great balance for this car on the track (straightaways that is) anything bigger than that requires more of what I've already mentioned.

Just add the 18's with I/E/UDP and the BD Chip then you'll see some decent gains, if you really wanna go a little faster then get a Y-pipe, Cams and some Headers and you'll be pushing close to 325 coming off the motor.

 

What do you mean when you say "Completely redone computer?"

So far, there is no solution to overcome the torque management system which is an engine and transmission system combined. The reason for having it is to protect the drivetrain, especially the CVT. This car has a 5.17 final drive coupled with a 2.3? first gear. That will smoke the tires if the computer stays out of it.

Bolt-on mods may have limited effect also as the Nissan computer compensates eventually and tries to return to stock parameters. From my understanding, a piggyback unit that alters the signals...such as WOT...will be overridden in a short time. I personally KNOW nothing but read a lot. There are some expensive options that allow reprogramming if a person knows what they need.

I may try my car out at the track once but question the durability of the CVT for multiple hard launches as described by Nightshifter.

 

I think the CVT is capable of performing hard launches over and over again, the only problem is that it has to cool properly in between.

Wear and tear won't be an issue from what I've read about the CVT but it does build high heat quickly, never to worry though because it has a lock out feature that secures at at 4K plus RPMs so you won't kill it.

A piggyback ECU would have to be on hand permanently in order for our regular programming to be overriden because we have learning ECU that automatically goes back to failsafe mode to protect the drivetrain as Mick7 mentioned in his post.

Nissan has got to do something about the WOT between 0-40, my suspicion is that they did want to curb torque steer but more importantly that they might not want it to be on par (as far as speed) with the 370Z from a standing start even though we hang well with them in passing speed.

 

Contact BD by email to inquire about their device. I asked about removing the WOT or just adjusting it. They replied that the BD will not remove the WOT on the Nissan Maxima. The only Nissan veh that they are able to remove it is on the Titian TK.
They made know mention that they were in development or getting ready to come out with it etc.... hummmm....
Hope to see this happen, can not stand the lag in the low end. Even thought about getting rid of this car because of this but decided not to.

 

That's odd because according to Alpha's post below they told him something different:

Seems to me that Bullydog is full of Bullsh*t!! I'm getting upset and now I'm ready to send my unit back to them for a full refund and buy myself a Chip from someone else.

Any suggestions on who may have a better Chip at this time??

Thanks in advance

 

Hmm... I'm going to sit tight and wait for the updates. I think they'll deliver.

Besides... I got this thing DIRT cheap.

 

Well, I don't like the conflicting messages so I'll reserve my judgement until I see otherwise.

I'll be extremely disappointed if they do not offer the WOT Remover program because this should be the first thing this mod should get rid of. Time is running out towards the end of this month and we should be seeing something already.

I say we should all start gangbanging BD with calls about the programming for a WOT Remover, Rev Limiter Remover, Top Speed Limiter Remover and tell them that their product is being talked about heavily on this site.

Sometimes a good kick in the pants and word of mouth will scare the crap out of manufacturers.

Maxima.org has major credibility and many huge forums for word of mouth.

 

im dieing to buy the bd programmer, but i see alot of ppl are not happy, hopefully bd fixes these problems , id deff get one in a heartbeat and im sure alotttt of people will do the same

 

I agree with you 100%, what you talk about is exactly the same reason why most of us haven't got one yet, if they deliver then many of us are ready to buy...just have to be patient I guess.

 

You're right! We need to take action guys...

Being patient makes it too easy for them NOT to deliver what we want and what THEY'VE promised.

We need to strategically plan a group effort for our importunities!

I'm in 100%!

 

Here's my plan, I say we all call them and let them know that their product is being evaluated and discussed here on Maxima.org (we have over 50K Members and we're the largest Maxima community on the Internet) and that if word of mouth gets out that their product isn't delivering then we are going to petition to get a Sticky on Maxima.org to not buy any products from Bullydog, word like this is bound to spread to other auto websites as well: 866-285-5936

or contact Customer Support: http://www.bullydog.com/pages/page/contact_us

Call 940-783-9915 or 866-285-5936 from M-F 8am to 5pm MST for technical support.

Sounds like a plan?

Are you guys with me and Alpha or what???

Thanks for those who help out in advance

 

Working for a technology company myself, sometimes it takes some time to figure out how your own products work with help from the people that designed them.

It seems to me that BD has to figure out how how Nissan designed to make the Maxima's computer work, then figure out how to override them using back-door techniques. And without any help from Nissan. This can't be easy.

I'd say let them know the changes are desired to encourage BD to continue whatever efforts they are making. But trying to be an internet bully and badgering them won't be of much use. If you badmouth them and they go out of business, what has been accomplished? Certainly not getting the product you desire. I don't like it when 3rd parties try to bully me at my job. Plus, I don't like to tip my hand before unveiling a new product, or over promise and underdeliver.

 

TO TBA:

First, let's get this straight, we/I are not Internet Bullies!! Second, we are CUSTOMERS who paid Hundreds of Dollars to get a product that already has claims of what it can do on their webpage.

Now that this is out of the way; let me go on to say that moreover we are the ones who are on the losing end, all we've been doing is waiting (patiently, I might add) for the BD to live up to their promise of correcting or updating the things they said they'd do.

Is it wrong for us to demand action after we have already paid for such a product that advertises what it can do but hasn't done.

If you bought an Air Conditioner for your house and it didn't work would you sit and wait 30 days under blistering heat before returning it?

Not trying to be a smart @$$ or nothing but this is just how we feel.

 

Well I know one thing, the first company to do away with this WOT (low end lag) stuff, I am buying it!!!!