I dont have an amp. Im buying all new... so i could just buy the mrv-m250 and save $50.00

Or spend the $200 and buy the jx250

 

Get the MRV-M500.....

 

Someone posted a picture of the base control **** next to the key slot.. i cant seem to find it. does anyone know where its at? Was that difficult to do? I am trying to figure out where fo put mine..

 

I have mine tucked under the center console, to the side of where the heat/cool seat function.

 

Thats where i was thinking about putting it. i dont want to drill holes so i wonder if velcro or 2 sided tape will work..

 

They usually come with very small screws, just use those. Even with strong double sided tape, if it gets hot, it can come off.

 

Mine was just the right size to wedge in. No tape or screws needed.

 

So im still procrastinating.... Its a little more then i want to spend.

1- 12w3v3
alpine mrv-m500
Adjustment *** for amp
Custom made ported box to jl spec 1.75cuft.
Line converter
4awg wiring
installation
$880.00.....


The w3 and m500 amp adds about $200 to the cost. The custom made box vs one i can buy adds an additional $75..

Anymore Thoughts?

Then i have been second guessing myself to because today driving home i realized at 3/4 volume how crappy the sound system as a whole.. and believe me i am no audiophile.. so is tge 12w3 setup just ti good for this car if i am not changing the factory setup..

 

Can you break down the cost? It isn't bad, but seems a little high.
The sub for $280, the box should only be $100, install for $80, wiring for $60?
Turning the bass down on the system will make it sound better at higher volumes.

3/4 volume, you are going to go deaf.
I keep mine between 4 and 7 bars.

 

12w3 - $280
ported box - $125 custom made, 3/4 plywood
m500 - $200
remote bass control - $30
tax $50.00
install which includes amp wiring\LOC - $200.00
total $885.00




3/4 volume doesn't seem to loud for me.... but if what your saying is that at 3/4 volume the sub will be awfully loud, then maybe this isn't the right setup for me. I mean I am not 16 anymore.... When I was 16 I had 2-12" Rockfords in a ported box with a 150watt amp(if I remember correctly) and from what I remember that was sufficient.


so... maybe the 1-12W0 with a MRV-M250 will be sufficient... IDK...

 

I'm talking about the factory radio at 3/4 volume.

Stick with the W3, you won't be disappointed.

I would say go for it.

 

yea I don't think the factory radio at 3/4 volume is that loud... and when it is that loud the front speakers sound like crap. and that's with my bass in the middle and the fade 1 tick to the rear... so with your setup, I think you have a 500w amp as well?.. are you running sealed? Where do you have your bass *** at?

 

I am currently running a JL 500/1 to my 13w6 in a sealed 1.4 cu.ft. box, and the bass **** is all the way down.
I was running the 500/1 with two 10w3 in a sealed 1.6 cu.ft. box, and had the gain set at about 1/2, and no bass control ****.

Your setup would be louder than my two 10" subs with the new 12w3 and a ported box.

You can always turn the bass down, but you can't turn it up more on a smaller system. Buy once, cry once.

 

I would even think that my 12w3 in a ported box will be louder then your w6...
and if you have the *** all the way down your prob pushing 250watts to the sub.. so that still make me wonder if a w0 at 250w is more then enough.....

I do understand what you mean about having the headroom... with the ***.. but if can use the w0 at half or a little more then that might be for me. I also hope the even at min its not to loud..

I think if i spend that much i will be in the dog house... guess i'll think about it

 

The 13.5 has 50% more area than the 12, and has nearly equal travel. My box is oversized and is more closely related to a ported box.
The 13w6 when turned up, borders on stupid. Not competition, just louder than needed.

If you are listening to the radio at 3/4 volume, then there is no way it will be too loud.
If you are worried about that, skip the ported box. It won't be as loud, will take up less trunk space, and will be cleaner sounding. It also saves you money on a custom box.

A 13.5w6 at 250w is around 3-4 times more bass than a 12w0 at 250w

 

Thanks again maximadrvr... i know i am probably driving you crazy...

Let me put this in another perspective.. i used to have a 2009 murano that had thr bose system. It had a subwoofer in the spare tire well. I believe it was a couple of 6.5" speakers in a ported box. It sounded really good... if i can duplicate that sound and improve it slightly for my max then i would be happy ... dont you think a 12w0 at 250watts in a ported box will get me there and then some?

 

It would get you there for a couple days. After that, I'm not sure.

I used to love bass, 2x 15" subs with 3k watts in a previous car, and a $10k stereo overall. I really like balance as well.

I upgraded from my two 10w3 v2, because it wasn't enough for when I really did want to turn it up. I overshot my goal when I went to the 13w6.
That is why I'm really trying to push you to the 12w3, even if you save $50 and go with a 250w amp. The W0 just isn't even in the same city or state as the W3.

Is there a reason you want a ported box? I understand that it would help output if you go with the W0, but is there another reason?

The open cabin in the murano really helps bass, where the thick rear seats in the max really mute it. There is a substantial difference even in opening the pass through to the trunk.

 

why do you think i should go sealed.
I was torn between the 2, but i thought since i listen to more hiphop and rap the ported would be better..

If i go with the w0 i would get the m500 amp because it inly come in 4ohms. So i would be pushing a max of 300watts. That saves me about $150, plus i might be more inclind to buy the sound ordinance ported box at 1.83cuft.. saves me another $75.

Buying a prefab box does save me money.. but which one. Jl has a sealed box which i would consider.. cs112rg-w3v3. But its not much cheaper then the ported.. I dont care for the look of their ported boxes in the w0 or w3 series. Or are you saying if i get the w0 then i should get sealed to make it sound cleaner, like a w3? the jl ported box ho112rg-w3v3 looks ok, but i think the dimensions make it to big.

Also, isnt the w0 better then most subs under $130.00?

 

Ported is just not as clean as sealed, and the box is usually twice the size, while only gaining 3db volume. If you are worried about being too loud, then it really leans toward sealed with the W3. The ported makes a little more sense with the W0 for more output, but you loose some of the tightness.

I would get a generic 1-1.2 cu.ft. Sealed box and put the W3 in it.

If I were going to build a system around a $130ish sub, I would get this:
http://www.parts-express.com/tc-soun...oofer--293-657

 

The 12" jl audio wants to be in a 1.375 cuft sealed box. The biggest sealed box on crutchfield is 1.23.

If i was getting a w3 i would do ported because the base is supposed to be tighter then the w0. So wouldnt it make sense to put at a w0 in sealed box to make it tighter vs putting a w3 in a sealed box?.. do i really need the 3 db in gain from a ported box? Not saying i want to go sealed. I mean i can fit either one... the thought was to put the w0 in a sealed box to save money. Tge only sealed box jl offers has the wx, whuch would only run at 250w

 

You won't notice a difference between 1.375 and 1.23 in a sealed box.

Those are just recommendations. I had a 12w7 in a 1.1 cu.ft box on a 1000/1 for a tight package in a different setup.

I would put a W0 in a ported box to get more out of it, knowing it is a lower end sub, and not worry as much about how tight it is.
I would decide what my needs were with a W3 and decide if I wanted to go ported or sealed. Ported is louder, plays a little lower (depending on tuning), and takes up more space. Sealed is tighter, less likely to damage the sub from distortion, and is a smaller package.

Just to give you an idea of my experience, a few of my builds, in various stages: I ran a small custom install business as a hobby for about 6 years. People have ideas, and I make them happen.

 

Nice... i like the last one with the pass through to the trunk

If we are talking 1 speaker, then size doesnt matter.. i could fit either one.
My thought in what i want is, i want the sub to compliment my crappy bose system.. not over power it. Give me some much needed lower end bass.

 

Maximadrvr, do you really think sealed is the way to go? What do you think of the jl audio, cs112eg-w3v3. Its a sealed box with a 12w3v3.
i see it online at amazon for $339 and i also see it at Onlinecarstereo.com for $279. Which isnt bad. Its like getting the box for free. And if it turns out i dont like the box, i can spend the money on ported.

So ever hear of onlinecarstereo?

Now i see that jl audio doesnt warranty their products if not bought from an approved retailer....

 

I have always chosen sealed over ported. In my opinion ported is good for competition, or trying to get more out of your sub (not always a good thing)

I think the cs112eg-w3v3 is great, and probably exactly what you need.

I have purchased an amp from them in the past, as well as a couple subs.
I believe they offer a warranty of sorts, that it will work when you get it.
Never had a JL item die, inside warranty. Did blow up a 12w7 after 3 years.

 

I don't think that OCS is authorized for JL.

I would say if you can, stay away from them. They have a bad reputation of not having items available that they have on their website. Happened to me twice with them. I had to call to find out what was going on with my order. The last time they actually lied to me & told me that the item was on its way. It was never sent. I gave them a second shot as I know things happen, but after this last time, I won't shop there again. They were pretty rude over the phone after I asked them why this keeps happening with them.

JL usually recommends enclosures that are too small for their subs. Yes, they can take more power this way, but at the expense of low end extension. Mine always sounded way better after installing them in larger enclosures than what JL recommended. This also includes their own enclosures. I've owned several 10W6v2's, 12W6v2's, & a 13W6v2. I would be using a 12W6v3, but I found a sub that I've always wanted to try, an Audiomobile MASS 2012.

If you have some time, look up some opinions on what you plan to use...go to DIYMA, good mobile audio site.

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/

 

Ok sitting in my car listening to music.... first off i have to keep tge bass 3 ticks to the left so the interior speakers dont distort. Thats about 3/4 volume. Will the sub work with the bass that low?

Next. I know the 12w3 is the way to go, but i kind of dont want to spend that kind of money on this crappy system. So. With these options what would you pick..

12wx with jl250 amp. About 175watts in a sealed box
or
12w0 with mrv-m500,about 300watts in 1.83 ported box or could even do a 1.25 sealed box

And i know ported is louder but with 300w do i really need it to be louder

 

The second, ported

 

I probably ssked this already... somewhere.. but how will the bass setting on the headunit effect the vass coming out of the sub? I want to turn my headunit bass down, but want bass coming out of my sub like its turned all the way up. I know tge amp has a gaun ***, but how does that effect the bass, other the make it louder, not deeper.

 

The gain **** can help balance your system out. Turn the overall bass level down to allow your interior speakers to play louder & cleaner as they wont be trying to reproduce a lot of bass. If you want more bass, turn the bass **** up to your liking.

 

Why is **** a bad word? *** nobb knobb

 

Some people do not know how to use them & end up frying their speakers. As long as you use it correctly, you will be fine. I've used them in my systems since the 90's without issues.

 

Im really stumped now on sealed vs ported with the w3

 

Try sealed, in a slightly bigger enclosure than what JL recommends. It will sound good. If you still desire more output, you can then try ported at that point.

 

If i go sealed i was.just going to get the jl audio w3 woofer in the sealed box..cs112eg-w3v3

 

Just get that. You won't be disappointed.

 

Will it rumble enough if i listen to rap? Your sealed right? How does katy perry's Dark Horse sound in your car? Im sure your right... i mean iwas pretty happy with the dual 5.5" bose subwoofer in my murano...

Sealed is easier on the speaker right?
I read on another website that if ported is built tight it could sound sealed to.. not sure how true that is..

 

Yes, it will rumble enough.
Yes, sealed is easier on the speaker.
Dark hours is loud.
At low volumes a ported could sound sealed, near the higher end, no.

 

Ok thanks... i guess i will shoot for sealed then.. if i said that by going sealed only saves me $70.00. Would you change your recomendation?

 

I had a 12W6v2 in a JL sealed box. I also had the JL box with two 10W6v2's....in both instances I was not very happy with the sound, especially the lowest notes. I took the advice of other people & went with larger enclosures. That made all the difference....sound was noticeably better than with the actual JL boxes, in both cases the subs played the lowest notes a lot better.

At one point JL gave a range for these speakers in the owner's manual....with a power rating of 400 watts RMS. They then changed that to the lowest recommended enclosure volumes, & increased power handling to 600 watts RMS. The subwoofers never changed, just their ratings & recommended enclosures.

I put the 10's in enclosures that were around .80 cubic feet instead of .625...the 13W6v2, I used in an enclosure that was about 2 cubic feet instead of 1.625. The 13" sub was my favorite of the bunch, it dug deep & sounded great with very good impact.

Head over to DIYMA ( www.diymobileaudio.com )....a ton of great information there to learn from.

 

I'm back.... Someone told me that JL is coming out with a new line of all in one subs. Its basically a TW3 in a JL box with an amp already attached. Very small and compact. So what do you think of the 12TW3 vs 12W3V3?

The box is similar to CS112LG-TW3 but with an amp.