CVT concern 2012 Max
CVT concern 2012 Max
Mad Max has 165000 on her. CVT Fluid has been changed every 50000 miles. Started to “whine” recently and While it’s making the whining noise, it doesn’t want to downshift. Whether in D or Ds mode. Today it almost seemed “stuck” in a certain gear and I couldn’t get above 65 mph.
I know CVT failures are an oddity. Thoughts??
I know CVT failures are an oddity. Thoughts??
no offense to kickinwing, but I had 0 intention of going new.... I’m a diagnose and decide kind of guy. No tranny codes. I drove it yesterday to and from work, no issues. 85 miles round trip. Cooler day, though. Could it have something to do with the temperature of the CVT and/or the fluid inside??
None taken! I just have a lot of personal experience with junkyard CVT's, and all Nissan CVT's in general. You never really know what you're going to get with a junkyard unit.
I guess it all depends on how long you're planning on keeping the car. It very well could be temperature dependent. If you have any friends at Nissan, see if they can check "CVT Temp count A" and "CVT Temp count B" using the data monitor function of Consult III. If these numbers are greater than 0, then the CVT has definitely overheated at some point during its lifetime and most likely gone into an "overheat protection" mode.
Also look at the "CVTF deterioration date". Nissan says if this number is greater than 210,000, it's time for new fluid. However, I've seen CVTF no higher than 3,000 and the CVT still fails. It can be hit or miss with some CVT's.
I might recommend starting with a fluid change. Perhaps just a drain and fill, to start. Make sure you use genuine NS-2 fluid.
Also keep in mind that a failing CVT doesn't always throw codes. Often times I'd be between a rock and a hard place because I know the customer vehicle isn't driving or shifting properly, yet I would have no codes. If there are no codes, Nissan will not approve a warranty replacement, and then I have to tell the customer, "yes, you need a transmission. Yes, your transmission is still covered under warranty, but no, Nissan won't give me authorization to replace it without any stored codes...have a nice day!"
I guess it all depends on how long you're planning on keeping the car. It very well could be temperature dependent. If you have any friends at Nissan, see if they can check "CVT Temp count A" and "CVT Temp count B" using the data monitor function of Consult III. If these numbers are greater than 0, then the CVT has definitely overheated at some point during its lifetime and most likely gone into an "overheat protection" mode.
Also look at the "CVTF deterioration date". Nissan says if this number is greater than 210,000, it's time for new fluid. However, I've seen CVTF no higher than 3,000 and the CVT still fails. It can be hit or miss with some CVT's.
I might recommend starting with a fluid change. Perhaps just a drain and fill, to start. Make sure you use genuine NS-2 fluid.
Also keep in mind that a failing CVT doesn't always throw codes. Often times I'd be between a rock and a hard place because I know the customer vehicle isn't driving or shifting properly, yet I would have no codes. If there are no codes, Nissan will not approve a warranty replacement, and then I have to tell the customer, "yes, you need a transmission. Yes, your transmission is still covered under warranty, but no, Nissan won't give me authorization to replace it without any stored codes...have a nice day!"
Last edited by Kickinwing; Jun 5, 2018 at 05:05 PM.
PERFECT! That is the kind of info I like to have in hand. I will drop n fill again and see what that does- in the meantime I will see who I have in the Nissan pipeline. Thank you for the feedback!!
Yeah, failing CVT doesn't throw codes is an understatement. I had troubles with my 07, dealership could never duplicate, they just never pushed it over 65 for 10 minutes, that was all it took, then the responsiveness went out and the whine would start, even that first few minutes off the freeway it was a dog slow. Then would perk right up. Never had problems on surface street driving, so it wasn't a big deal most of the time...ran like that for a while, but traded it in before getting it swapped under warrantee. Had other issues with the car, and actually used up the extended warrantee with over $15,000 worth of other repairs, they finally said no more.
I am currently having the same issue with my 12 maxima. It has been going on for around a year and has gotten more frequent over time. I will tell you a few common factors I have noticed and see if any of that helps you. One thing is that it definitely seems to be temperature sensitive. On hot days it is most certain to happen. And I’m order to get it to throw a code I have to stop when it does the wining and **** the car off. When I start it back up then it will throw the code after a few minutes. It also seems to be running at a much higher rpm when the wining is going on. The code hat came up on mine was step motor function. That seems to be an internal part and I haven’t found where anyone can fix it without replacement. But if you are driving it as long as your very easy it seems you can prevent it from happened a lot. Essentially you just want to keep it from a big downshift after it’s hot. I hope this helps and would love some more info about this myself as it seems a replacement is around 4K
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