Was I too ambitious?
Was I too ambitious?
Well,
being that I got the rest of my parts this weekend, I proceeded to:
1) take out my springs/stuts
2) remove both front axles
3) remove my loose inner tie rods
4) remove my LCA's,
5) take the bushings out of my front sway bar.
So, I hoped to replace the struts with AGX, springs with Progress, put ES bushings pretty much everywhere except the motor mounts, replace the inner and outer tie rods, and replace the ball joints in the LCA's
I ran out of time yesterday and am (hopefully today) having a machine shop put the LCA's together.
What I didn't factor in, was one of the bolts on the driver's side strut stripping, and wasting lots of time, and requiring me to buy some bolt-out tools.
And, of course, I have a 2 year old and a 3 week old, I guess my time estimates for one weekend were a little off........
pics to come soon......
EDIT: oh yeah I guess you use a pipe wrench on the center bolt of the old struts when it just sits there and rotates?
being that I got the rest of my parts this weekend, I proceeded to:
1) take out my springs/stuts
2) remove both front axles
3) remove my loose inner tie rods
4) remove my LCA's,
5) take the bushings out of my front sway bar.
So, I hoped to replace the struts with AGX, springs with Progress, put ES bushings pretty much everywhere except the motor mounts, replace the inner and outer tie rods, and replace the ball joints in the LCA's
I ran out of time yesterday and am (hopefully today) having a machine shop put the LCA's together.
What I didn't factor in, was one of the bolts on the driver's side strut stripping, and wasting lots of time, and requiring me to buy some bolt-out tools.
And, of course, I have a 2 year old and a 3 week old, I guess my time estimates for one weekend were a little off........
pics to come soon......
EDIT: oh yeah I guess you use a pipe wrench on the center bolt of the old struts when it just sits there and rotates?
Originally Posted by 97SEdriver
EDIT: oh yeah I guess you use a pipe wrench on the center bolt of the old struts when it just sits there and rotates?
Originally Posted by phenryiv1
Rubber hose and vice grips on the shaft. Or just hit it with air...
Originally Posted by phenryiv1
Rubber hose and vice grips on the shaft. Or just hit it with air...
Originally Posted by irish44j
no more huge body lean??????? awww.....
So, I decided to try to fix everything, it's taken longer than I expected unfortuneately, I started Sunday, and now it's Wednesday.
The axles, inner tie rods, LCA's, sway bay are done, the struts are messing me up....
Originally Posted by 97SEdriver
don't have air.....and the rubber and vice grips ain't working....taking a pipe wrench to it today.....
An alternative is to spend $70-80 at Lowes and get a Kobalt corded impact wrench. I sometimes wish that I had just done that instead of buying my huge compressor.
Also, Wal-mart carries Stanley impact sockets for dirt cheap. They have a lifetime warranty. For under $100, you could have most of the stuff that you need to work on suspension. Add a torque wrench and breaker bar and you are set.
Originally Posted by 97SEdriver
bringing it to a shop is my next step......
Edit the edit: I cannot find it on the site, but I saw the impact wrench in the store...
Originally Posted by phenryiv1
Pull the whole assembly (and putthe spring compressors on it) and go to a shop with air. Toss the mechanic $20 and ask him to hit it with the impact gun.
An alternative is to spend $70-80 at Lowes and get a Kobalt corded impact wrench. I sometimes wish that I had just done that instead of buying my huge compressor.
Also, Wal-mart carries Stanley impact sockets for dirt cheap. They have a lifetime warranty. For under $100, you could have most of the stuff that you need to work on suspension. Add a torque wrench and breaker bar and you are set.
An alternative is to spend $70-80 at Lowes and get a Kobalt corded impact wrench. I sometimes wish that I had just done that instead of buying my huge compressor.
Also, Wal-mart carries Stanley impact sockets for dirt cheap. They have a lifetime warranty. For under $100, you could have most of the stuff that you need to work on suspension. Add a torque wrench and breaker bar and you are set.
Originally Posted by phenryiv1
See my edit.
Edit the edit: I cannot find it on the site, but I saw the impact wrench in the store...
Edit the edit: I cannot find it on the site, but I saw the impact wrench in the store...
Last try is to change the cheap accordion hose that came with it & get a proper 1/4" hose, see if that will help the air supply to the gun.
Sorry..that was a little OT..back to regular programming...
Originally Posted by 97SEdriver
breaker bar? I just use part of the handle of my 2 ton jack........of course I imploded my 3/8 rachet doing this recently....Craftsman ftw......
You can pick up a 1/2" drive 18" breaker bar for <$20 and they definitely come in handy...how did you get your axle nuts off without one?
I busted one of my 3/8" ratchets as well doing the same job....
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
That's exactly why you need a breaker bar
how did you get your axle nuts off without one?
how did you get your axle nuts off without one?

Whoa whoa whoa, you're going through all this to take off the top strut nut? I ended up using a pipe wrench on one of my old rear struts when I removed it, but that was before I realized what I thought more people knew: you have to loosen the nut while the strut is still installed in the car (from the engine bay or trunk). It won't turn because the top of the rod has a flat side. Did you not realize that or am I misunderstanding you???
Originally Posted by VQuick
Whoa whoa whoa, you're going through all this to take off the top strut nut? I ended up using a pipe wrench on one of my old rear struts when I removed it, but that was before I realized what I thought more people knew: you have to loosen the nut while the strut is still installed in the car (from the engine bay or trunk). It won't turn because the top of the rod has a flat side. Did you not realize that or am I misunderstanding you???
Originally Posted by 97SEdriver
I don't need no stinking impact gun or real breaker bar
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/2045000-2045999/2045380_34.jpg[/img]
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/2045000-2045999/2045380_34.jpg[/img]
Like this: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=30395
See how the head is stationary? Like I said before, my ratchet couldn't hold up to the torque of that axle nut...
Originally Posted by 97SEdriver
I tried to loosen it while it was on the car...it turned a few times and I thought I was good, turns out it was just turning the whole strut rod.....

But if you're fed up I'm sure a shop won't charge you much.
Originally Posted by VQuick
Was this the rear or the front? The front has a D-shape and fits in a D-shape hole so it cannot turn. The rear might not have the D-shape but a pipe wrench definitely will do the trick...maybe you need a bigger pipe wrench. Here's how I did it off the car:

But if you're fed up I'm sure a shop won't charge you much.

But if you're fed up I'm sure a shop won't charge you much.
The rears I got loose easy.
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
That's exactly why you need a breaker bar
You can pick up a 1/2" drive 18" breaker bar for <$20 and they definitely come in handy...how did you get your axle nuts off without one?
I busted one of my 3/8" ratchets as well doing the same job....
You can pick up a 1/2" drive 18" breaker bar for <$20 and they definitely come in handy...how did you get your axle nuts off without one?
I busted one of my 3/8" ratchets as well doing the same job....I blew up my 3/8" rachet when I was trying to get out the stuck bolt that attaches to strut to the knuckle.
WTF, I don't believe you! Look at this page of 4th gen suspension parts.
http://web.archive.org/web/200512201...ion/index.html
If you go down to the front strut insulator photo, you will clearly see that the center holes are D-shaped:

So I don't know WTF is up with your suspension!
I actually broke a 1/2" drive breaker bar trying to get an axle nut off. It wasn't Craftsman, but I've broken Craftsman sockets on other occasions.
http://web.archive.org/web/200512201...ion/index.html
If you go down to the front strut insulator photo, you will clearly see that the center holes are D-shaped:

So I don't know WTF is up with your suspension!
I actually broke a 1/2" drive breaker bar trying to get an axle nut off. It wasn't Craftsman, but I've broken Craftsman sockets on other occasions.
Originally Posted by VQuick
WTF, I don't believe you! Look at this page of 4th gen suspension parts.
http://web.archive.org/web/200512201...ion/index.html
If you go down to the front strut insulator photo, you will clearly see that the center holes are D-shaped:

So I don't know WTF is up with your suspension!
I actually broke a 1/2" drive breaker bar trying to get an axle nut off. It wasn't Craftsman, but I've broken Craftsman sockets on other occasions.
http://web.archive.org/web/200512201...ion/index.html
If you go down to the front strut insulator photo, you will clearly see that the center holes are D-shaped:

So I don't know WTF is up with your suspension!
I actually broke a 1/2" drive breaker bar trying to get an axle nut off. It wasn't Craftsman, but I've broken Craftsman sockets on other occasions.
But no, that isn't how mine looked. They were Tokico struts, and what I am assuming to be stock springs (ride height). They were round, and the top hats were round, which is why I couldn't break them loose. I realize when I picked them up this morning, that this guys was doing this under the table, as he wanted cash (for $40, what do I care?). He had a pretty cool spring compressor, I noticed the ones I bought were D-shaped, but the ones he installed were the old ones. So I had him take it apart and put the ones I bought from phenryiv1 on, which will make my life so much easier if I ever do this again.
regarding the 1/2" drive socket, I gradually applied force to the axle nut, and the craftsman socket held up.
When you have more power than you need-->
gradual force is the way to go
Originally Posted by 97SEdriver
Those look like the ones I bought from phenryiv1, which fit on the agx's I bought.
But no, that isn't how mine looked. They were Tokico struts, and what I am assuming to be stock springs (ride height). They were round, and the top hats were round, which is why I couldn't break them loose. I realize when I picked them up this morning, that this guys was doing this under the table, as he wanted cash (for $40, what do I care?). He had a pretty cool spring compressor, I noticed the ones I bought were D-shaped, but the ones he installed were the old ones. So I had him take it apart and put the ones I bought from phenryiv1 on, which will make my life so much easier if I ever do this again.
regarding the 1/2" drive socket, I gradually applied force to the axle nut, and the craftsman socket held up.
When you have more power than you need-->
gradual force is the way to go
But no, that isn't how mine looked. They were Tokico struts, and what I am assuming to be stock springs (ride height). They were round, and the top hats were round, which is why I couldn't break them loose. I realize when I picked them up this morning, that this guys was doing this under the table, as he wanted cash (for $40, what do I care?). He had a pretty cool spring compressor, I noticed the ones I bought were D-shaped, but the ones he installed were the old ones. So I had him take it apart and put the ones I bought from phenryiv1 on, which will make my life so much easier if I ever do this again.
regarding the 1/2" drive socket, I gradually applied force to the axle nut, and the craftsman socket held up.
When you have more power than you need-->
gradual force is the way to go
Originally Posted by VQuick
I actually broke a 1/2" drive breaker bar trying to get an axle nut off. It wasn't Craftsman, but I've broken Craftsman sockets on other occasions.
Glad you got it worked out 97SE. Any driving impressions yet, or do you still have a few things left to install?
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
Yeah Spig and I did that on his b14 as well...those axle nuts are no joke
Glad you got it worked out 97SE. Any driving impressions yet, or do you still have a few things left to install?
Glad you got it worked out 97SE. Any driving impressions yet, or do you still have a few things left to install?
Originally Posted by phenryiv1
Also, Wal-mart carries Stanley impact sockets for dirt cheap. They have a lifetime warranty. For under $100, you could have most of the stuff that you need to work on suspension. Add a torque wrench and breaker bar and you are set.
their pretty good sockects have
nt broken one yet
A Snap-on high-torque cordless impact is the best $400 you could ever spend. It can get anything loose, anything tight (if you have to), and has way more torque than other impacts (Harbor freight, craftsman, etc).
I have yet to find a bolt that my Snap-On impact can't break loose. Even the main hub nuts are cake.
I have yet to find a bolt that my Snap-On impact can't break loose. Even the main hub nuts are cake.
Well finally got it all back together and went and got an alignment.
Lifetime alignments are nice
= $0
However, as with probably any chain you go to, they "suggest" a whole lot of stuff that they try to make a big deal out of.
I mean "engine diagnostic service" for $89.99, I guess they assume most people don't know you can't just go to Advance Auto and pull the codes for free?
Part of the conversation was funny though:
them: "you have that brake light on, we could check that for you"
me: "that's ok, it's just the emergency brake cable that I disconnected"
them: "why did you do that, if you have a problem with your emergency brake you should really have that checked out"
me: " the problem is I let another firestone put my car on a lift, and they pinched the cable, I didn't notice it until the rear right caliper starting freezing up on me, they wouldn't fix it for free, and I imagine you won't either"
them: "how do you know they did it?"
me: "that's the last time it was on a lift before it started freezing, I drove it for 5 years before that with no problems"
-slightly long pause-
me:" how long do you want to discuss this? I'm hoping you didn't pinch the other side"
They dropped the pursuit of getting some money out of me at that point.
I'll tell you what though, apparently with no string box and counting the threads from the previous tie rods, and eyeballing it, you can get pretty close.
Picture scan isn't the best, but front left toe -0.50 degree and front right -0.87 degree. spec is .05 to .14
Lifetime alignments are nice
= $0However, as with probably any chain you go to, they "suggest" a whole lot of stuff that they try to make a big deal out of.
I mean "engine diagnostic service" for $89.99, I guess they assume most people don't know you can't just go to Advance Auto and pull the codes for free? Part of the conversation was funny though:
them: "you have that brake light on, we could check that for you"
me: "that's ok, it's just the emergency brake cable that I disconnected"
them: "why did you do that, if you have a problem with your emergency brake you should really have that checked out"
me: " the problem is I let another firestone put my car on a lift, and they pinched the cable, I didn't notice it until the rear right caliper starting freezing up on me, they wouldn't fix it for free, and I imagine you won't either"
them: "how do you know they did it?"
me: "that's the last time it was on a lift before it started freezing, I drove it for 5 years before that with no problems"
-slightly long pause-
me:" how long do you want to discuss this? I'm hoping you didn't pinch the other side"
They dropped the pursuit of getting some money out of me at that point.
I'll tell you what though, apparently with no string box and counting the threads from the previous tie rods, and eyeballing it, you can get pretty close.
Picture scan isn't the best, but front left toe -0.50 degree and front right -0.87 degree. spec is .05 to .14
Originally Posted by LA02MAX
Yeah Spig and I did that on his b14 as well...those axle nuts are no joke
Glad you got it worked out 97SE. Any driving impressions yet, or do you still have a few things left to install?
Glad you got it worked out 97SE. Any driving impressions yet, or do you still have a few things left to install?
So,
ES bushings all around (except motor mounts)
AGX struts
Progress springs
Inner and outer tie rods
steering rack boots (the left side still isn't fitting correctly)
Raxle axles -both sides
MT-90 tranny fluid
I'm almost $1000 into repairs and upgrades, had to pay the machine shop $100 to remove and push in the LCA bushings, and $40 for a local shop to take apart and put back together my front strut/spring assemblies (they had to do it 3 times though).
I don't think the car ever rode this well since I've owned it. If I wasn't married with 2 kids it wouldn't have been such a drawn out repair. I could have done things without having to feed kids, put them to bed, help with the 1 month old etc..etc..it ended up taking me almost 10 days to get done (mostly because of the LCA guy not hurrying and the struts) but all in all I think it was worth it. I would do it again, my wife knows my time estimates are usually fukked anyway.
Just got to get the pics out of the camera.
I have broken a craftsman 17mm socket with an impact and a 3' 1/2'' drive breaker bar on the 36mm axle nut (was gunned on) on seperate occasions.
I have been doing my front end a weekend/weeknight at a time.
I have been doing my front end a weekend/weeknight at a time.
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