He was running MT ET streets. Assuming the same power and a 200 lbs (4th Gen race weight) weight reduction, you would need to reduce the 60' time by roughly .3 of a second. SR was already running 1.9X 60' times, so he would need to be somewhere around 1.6X IMO. That's a very hard launch and the drivetrain might not be able to handle that.

 

what about a sub 2500lb weight and a 3.5 with 7500+ redline with sweet dek Im.

comming soon

and great job on the 12.8 ,ill try to take the NA title as fast as i can. To ease your pain.

 

vq35IM > de-k IM

 

Well I see boosted guys getting 1.7x 60's and the drivetrain handles it, over and over and over and over again. The best I've seen is 1.71.

 

I will get into the 1.8s NA. Neal has already done it.

 

Maybe you need bigger slicks, since these 26" slicks break traction with at only 4k rpms.

 

Wow that's it just a 12.859 @ 108.00? Haha nice! That's really amazing! I bet you can beat a 350Z now!

 

Fast but not that much faster

 

Yes and you will need to run below 1.6 to even get close to low 12s. ET Streets hook just as well as MT's drag slick. I honestly think you would damage something in our cars with a 60' time like that.

BTW.....Nice driving there SR20!

 

You do not need a 1.5 60' to get into the 11s.

He will need considerably more power than that, though.

 

That is not the arguement. He is pretty well modded with bolt ons, so it may be hard to make a noticeable amount of power N/A.

 

Why exactly do you say that?

 

He is, but a 4th gen can get a 2900 lbs raceweight with full interior. That's 3 tenths right there. Add lots of practice and a high 1.7 launch. Then cams, Ecu tuning, light flywheel and perhaps even more tuning.

Not saying all that will give you a 11.9 ('cause it won't), but you'd be deep into the 12s with all that.

A year ago not many people thought 12s N/A was possible. Now it's 11s so you never know, a few years from now... Besides, competition always brings great results

 

Actually I need real slicks. These E.T. Streets do not seem to hook quite as good as the real thing. I am looking at Hoosier 26x9s.

 

Maybe you should try normal MT's

Are my eyes fooling me, or or did you really write that your slicks are 11.5" wide?? How'd you even get to fit a 11.5" wide slick on a 7" wheel?

 

Why even have the discussion about my car going 11s NA? I will need alot more power, less weight and better traction. The best I can hope for right now is a 12.6x.

 

My understandment is that everyone was referring to a hypo***ical stripped 4th gen with your mods and more.

 

At 2900 lbs raceweight, that's 150 lbs less than SR20's. That's not a huge difference, maybe worth a .1/.2 at the most. I have always thought 12's were possible N/A, in fact Neal was damn close in his 4th gen. Maybe one day he will build up his beater and give it another shot. Not knocking anyone, but if you are into drag racing the Maxima isn't the best platform. I applaud the efforts of people like Mardi, Neal, and SR20 because it is cool to see basically a family sedan run these kind of times.

 

I read an article that stated the MT ET streets hooked as well as MT drag slicks. I will try and find you a link to the article.

 

congradulations, that's a sick time. I'm anxious for the video though.

 

SR's raceweight is actually 3150 with driver, so it's 250 pounds. Usually 100 pounds = .1 for cars running like 10s or 11s. For slower cars like ours 75 pounds is probably worth a .1.

Of course a maxima is totally inadequate for drag racing, but that's part of the fun. SR20DEN can be much prouder about running 12s in his family sedan than any random camaro or firebird owner will running 12s in their car. And people will react much more to a maxima running 12s than a camaro or a firebird running 12s.

 

Sorry I thought I read 3050. I know that when I had my friend Dave in my car down the track he was good for an average increase of .15 down the 1/4. He weighs in at 185 lbs. My car ran 14.9@94.X for reference. There is now way a 4th or 5th gen could hit 11s N/A without an amazing 60' and/or more power.

As for a Camaro of Firebird running 12's, that can be done bone stock with some good driving. I recently ordered an 05 Mustang GT because I am tired of my Maxima. I wanted a performance orientated car, with a large aftermarket.

 

Stock 12s? I know a Cobra will hit high 12s but that's boosted. I stand corrected, 12s on stock LS-1 crazy ****

 

It is possible, but no typical. Both F-bodies and C5s are capable of 12s stock in manual form.

 

On a RWD car that transfers it's weight right onto the tire that might be the case. I can only comment on my own experiences. I am certain I will do better with a 26x9 Hoosier drag slick.

 

I was talking to Neal a while back about blocking the rear springs and lowering the front end down via coilovers. In theory, it should help keep more weight over the front end. I think he might try it out when he gets coilovers in his turbo max. Have you checked out Goodyear's slicks?

 

SR20's engine in my car would turn 11's im 100% sure of that.

 

What are you smoking?

 

Do you know what my race weight will be??know it all.
I dont even have undercoating under my car.

 

The only way you will get the car weight down low enough would to do something similar to what SCC did to their Sentra. Not safe and stupid IMO.

 

when you get to the weight my car is 50lbs = a tenth .my race weight will be 500lbs less than sr's car .
What will hold me back is my suspension and not having SR's engine.

 

Hypothetically, even if you did get your car's race weight down to 2650, that would put you around 12.3. I don't know where you are getting your 50 lbs/1 tenth figure, the rule of thumb is .1 for roughly 100 lbs. You would then need a reduction of the 60' foot time by .1 as well.

 

that rule of thumb is for 3300lb boats it does not hold true for a 2500lb car . Actually my car with just pass seat out weighs in the 2500's now. With other stuff out it will weigh prob 2580-2600lb race weight.

 

Not to hijack this thread, but I agree with krismax on this one, I have found with my own experience at the track, roughly 70lbs = 1 tenth for me.

 

Obviously if you remove 10 lbs from a 2000 lbs car its a larger percentage loss than a 3000 lbs vehicle. Hence, that is why it is called a rule of thumb. I have never seen that number that you quoted anywhere, do you have a source? Also, how did you get your car down that low?

Both of us are internet racing and speaking hypothetically, so lets get back on topic.

 

because its true

 

I agree. I was getting 2.0x 60' with bad technique on cold M&H's. Maybe my superstiff springs and struts helped compensate for my lack of experience. Until last fall I only had maybe 5-10 hard launches and that was on a 100K stock clutch.

 

Even though I know it doesn't apply to my 3.0 VQ, I was reading through all these posts and am trying to figure out why you are keeping your intake manifold mod a 'secret.' If you have the plans to market this in order to really make money then I totally understand, otherwise...this forum is here to help everyone get the most information on modding out their cars, why keep secrets?

 

That must really look funny. How did you do that? Just curious.

 

Are you bowing down to yourself? Quite conceited huh?

I can't imagine the maxima engine living very long with that high rpm abuse.

Good job SR20DEN, that's quite an accomplishment!