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Old Sep 18, 2006 | 05:42 PM
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Where did you read that?
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TDotMax
Man, you guys in the states get all the good stuff. I probably won't be able to take advantage of the sr20 modified ones. Might have to settle for the AEM universal.

So injectors are not recommended? I read before 300zx TT injectors are a good upgrade as well.
Adding larger injectors (especially the size of the Z32 370cc's) isn't reccomended simply because that's a LOT of extra fuel to have to mess with getting rid of.
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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I think you need to perhaps read this thread again...and again like I said earlier.... The point is not being taken.

The facts.

370cc injectors are far too large for a 3.0L normally aspirated (N/A)
The reason we state adding more fuel is because w/ an AFC, you can take out fuel, thus adding timing indirectly ... But since the injectors are larger or the FP higher, you will not go lean when taking out the said fuel.

Our vote is for a AFPR, since it is cheaper and will accomplish the same task.
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Our vote is for a AFPR, since it is cheaper and will accomplish the same task.
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 05:53 PM
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And it is somewhat adjustable...something you cannot do with injectors. Almost adding to the fact that you can adjust according to how much timing you want to be added.
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
And it is somewhat adjustable...something you cannot do with injectors. Almost adding to the fact that you can adjust according to how much timing you want to be added.
You post ***** What's the deal with the modified SR20 units? I hadn't heard of this...

All the reasons in the world for an NA car to go AFPR instead of injectors.
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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NmexMax...I like your simple explanations. You know how to take a 10 page write up and put it into lamens terms. Thanks again...
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 06:06 PM
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Well I sent out my FPR to get converted. If all goes well ill contact him about us, so anyone can get one for $40 shipped OR IIRC $25 if you send the guy yours. The thing is he needs cores, and I sent him 5 SR ones, 2 of which should fit the VQ. I think im going to have both of them made in to adjustables. He sells them pretty quick too so we'll see.
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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Well I sent out my FPR to get converted. If all goes well ill contact him about us, so anyone can get one for $40 shipped OR IIRC $25 if you send the guy yours. The thing is he needs cores, and I sent him 5 SR ones, 2 of which should fit the VQ. I think im going to have both of them made in to adjustables. He sells them pretty quick too so we'll see.
Interesting. I'll wait and see the results first before I pick one up. Although I don't have anything to tune with yet anyway so it doesn't matter...
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 10:16 PM
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I have the VI(with 5th gen fuel rail and injectors) , Budget ypipe and a VAFC-II. If I get the AFPR, and tune it with the VAFC-II, I *should* yield more power?
Old Sep 18, 2006 | 10:52 PM
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I have the VI(with 5th gen fuel rail and injectors) , Budget ypipe and a VAFC-II. If I get the AFPR, and tune it with the VAFC-II, I *should* yield more power?
thats the word on the street.

What amount of additional pressure is everyone/anyone at? i saw .5bar but was wondering if theres anything else anyone is at
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoooper
What amount of additional pressure is everyone/anyone at? i saw .5bar but was wondering if theres anything else anyone is at
I'm still waiting to see what kind of advance you get for a given amount of tuned-out additional pressure.
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 03:49 AM
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why is it you guys never listen to SR20DEN?
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 05:42 AM
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I always have.

Originally Posted by Hoooper
thats the word on the street.

Originally Posted by Hoooper
What amount of additional pressure is everyone/anyone at? i saw .5bar but was wondering if theres anything else anyone is at
A32 DE/33DEK 3.0L = 3.0 Bar, 3.5L = 3.5 Bar.


SR20DEN bumped the imortant threads a few months back... it shouldn't have to be done again...
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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just give him the answer...he can't search anyway...
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by steven88
just give him the answer...he can't search anyway...
The answer to what?

I gave him stock FP's...

The other question has not been answered in full just yet. (i.e X FP gives Y timing advance, or X injector 335cc/370cc gives Y timing advance)
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:46 AM
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What is an FPR scanner. More details please.
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 11:57 AM
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When you find out ... let me know.
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
When you find out ... let me know.
me too......i think NmexMax explained it the best.......with x FP gives Y timing advance or X Injector Size give Y timing advance....but only with a fuel controller to adjsut the fuel......as fas as gains....sr20 saw 8 degrees on the top end...he posted in another thread
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximaSE96
sr20 saw 8 degrees on the top end...he posted in another thread
It's actually post #1 of this particular thread we're in
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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BINGO.......I am getting them all jumbled
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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are any of these what I'm looking for?
http://search.ebay.com/fuel-pressure...ageNameZRC0021

or is there a better brand?
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
The answer to what?

I gave him stock FP's...

The other question has not been answered in full just yet. (i.e X FP gives Y timing advance, or X injector 335cc/370cc gives Y timing advance)
he never asked for stock fuel pressures
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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and it was also stated.....+0.5 bar over stock

dont get a no name ebay FPR
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximaSE96
and it was also stated.....+0.5 bar over stock

dont get a no name ebay FPR
he said hes seen 0.5+...but hes wondering what everyone else is running
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 02:03 PM
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what is a good FPR that you guys would get?
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by steven88
he said hes seen 0.5+...but hes wondering what everyone else is running
thanks, im glad somebody read the whole thing. im not trying to mooch all the answers i was just wondering what everyone is trying to get an idea of what can/has been done
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooper
thanks, im glad somebody read the whole thing. im not trying to mooch all the answers i was just wondering what everyone is trying to get an idea of what can/has been done
its okay...nmexmax probably missed it...thats all...afterall, he does help alot of noobs, and it gets tiring after awhile
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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im not really a noob anymore, should look more closely into my posts; 1,235 posts not so noobish, but yeah, i can definitely see how he would over look it, no hard feelings. haha
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 05:23 PM
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Not many people have ran + PSI on an A33B that I know about.

There's not a known FP to 'shoot' for. It's all trial and error, try this try that, monitor it and see if the pump holds even @ high RPM.


There are a few DEK owners running a tad more but some tend to lose some pressure @ high RPM's...

If you( A33B person) can get some DEK or Z33 injectors for cheap on here or my350z.com... that could be an alternate route as well.
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooper
im not really a noob anymore, should look more closely into my posts; 1,235 posts not so noobish, but yeah, i can definitely see how he would over look it, no hard feelings. haha
haha, sorry if you mis understood...but i meant nmex helping OTHER noobs...not referring to you
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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start at +0.5 bar and get on a dyno and fine tune
Old Sep 19, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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haha, sorry if you mis understood...but i meant nmex helping OTHER noobs...not referring to you
haha, yeah i know. nevermind lets drop this terrible conversation.

nmex, to use DE-K injectors wouldnt you have to modify the injector harness? if the problem is fuel pressure tapering at higher RPMs, would it be possible to install a second pump, inline as a booster? i know that would be a pain and probly pointless, but possible?
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Of course u can install an Inline secondary pump....or jsut run a larger in tank pump.....but it might be the AFPR not gettin enough vaccum to sustain the pressure......
Old Sep 20, 2006 | 09:14 AM
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Anyone know the maximum rated pressure of the stock fuel system components?
Old Sep 20, 2006 | 09:29 AM
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I don't know if this is what you're asking for, but back when I had a fuel injector test setup, I tested the stock VQ30DE injectors at over 160 psi with no problems. I forget what fuel pump I used to do that with. My stock fuel pump was good for only about 65 psi.
Old Sep 20, 2006 | 09:41 AM
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I was looking to find out how far the conduits and couplers could be pushed.

Thanks for the numbers, though, especially the one for the fuel pump...
Old Sep 20, 2006 | 11:43 AM
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THis may not be that helpful to you, but on DEK injectors at WOT and up to 7500 rpms, the stock A32 fuel pump seems to max out at about 46psi on my car.
Old Sep 20, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DandyMax
THis may not be that helpful to you, but on DEK injectors at WOT and up to 7500 rpms, the stock A32 fuel pump seems to max out at about 46psi on my car.
Hmm...makes me wonder if upping the pressure for my DE injectors and tuning out fuel is safe on the stock pump. Or wouldn't it matter since I'm tuning the fuel out?
Old Sep 20, 2006 | 03:22 PM
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DEK injectors are larger....and 7500 rpm is a tad differnt than 6500 in the 4th gen....i am sure stock 4th gen fuel components can handle 3.5bar no problem for the long term......



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