*cam Spacers From Tilleys99*
08-12-2006, 01:22 PM
#1
*cam Spacers From Tilleys99*
do not buy stuff from tilleys99....i ordered and paid for cam spacers back in april 2006 and still didnt recieve it...i tried contacting him and no one picks up...i also leave messages and get no returned calls...i also instant message him on aol instant messenger and dont get a reply back.... this is bull****....TILLEY IF YOUR READING THIS I WANT MY ****ING MONEY BACK!
08-13-2006, 12:47 AM
#6
i'd have to say it also took me pretty long to get my 2 sets of spacers. the first set i had to bother him everyday to ship, and the second set i had to have a friend drve up there (someone who knew him) to get them. otherwise i prolly wouldnt have them by now.
08-13-2006, 09:57 AM
#7
I've never dealt with him myself but from the word of others hes a good man, I myself tried to buy spacers but could never get in contact with him.
I cant help but feel that communication is the key, even if you cant get them out still let people know whats going on so they arent in the dark and leave them feeling like they might not get their product. I'm not saying he's running his business bad, but its a bad way to conduct business. . . but then again I dont know what could be going on behind the scenes a series of unfortunate events could be occuring that no one on the org would be able to see/know about.
I cant help but feel that communication is the key, even if you cant get them out still let people know whats going on so they arent in the dark and leave them feeling like they might not get their product. I'm not saying he's running his business bad, but its a bad way to conduct business. . . but then again I dont know what could be going on behind the scenes a series of unfortunate events could be occuring that no one on the org would be able to see/know about.
08-13-2006, 11:23 AM
#8
Originally Posted by MDeezy
I've never dealt with him myself but from the word of others hes a good man, I myself tried to buy spacers but could never get in contact with him.
I cant help but feel that communication is the key, even if you cant get them out still let people know whats going on so they arent in the dark and leave them feeling like they might not get their product. I'm not saying he's running his business bad, but its a bad way to conduct business. . . but then again I dont know what could be going on behind the scenes a series of unfortunate events could be occuring that no one on the org would be able to see/know about.
I cant help but feel that communication is the key, even if you cant get them out still let people know whats going on so they arent in the dark and leave them feeling like they might not get their product. I'm not saying he's running his business bad, but its a bad way to conduct business. . . but then again I dont know what could be going on behind the scenes a series of unfortunate events could be occuring that no one on the org would be able to see/know about.
There are of course the guys that shime in to defend him saying that they have no problem reaching him and all, but when you have several people complaining about the same issue over a period of months, then its no longer a "something might be happening behind the scenes" issue, and it becomes a questionable business practice issue.
Im not here to rant on Tilley by any means, he's done quite alot for this community and set some great landmarks for us. But after this long of people complaining about the same issue, perhaps it is time to make a few changes within the business to avoid these issues from occuring again. After all, happy clients= clients COMING BACK and REFFERING THEIR FRIENDS=More Revenue.
08-13-2006, 11:32 AM
#9
Yea I know a person on the org who said they would do the 3.5 swap for me for me in August. After I got the motor and the parts and began pm him and he never responded. I would see him on different post saying he would do swap 4 someone else but he doesnt have that much time. I wont mention tha name. My thing is if u dont have free time just tell me, it wont b hard feelings. Dudes get sour when u give people ur word and then we cant even get in contact wit u when the time comes $ the deal to complete. Everyone should b a man and stand by their own word if not b able to tell the person urself u got no time so he do wha he gotta do to get his work done or in ur case the parts from another oger. 
08-14-2006, 01:09 PM
#12
And I was complaing about my wait time. At this point do what you have to do to get your money back but just get the spacers/adapters from Stephen Max to continue your project. Thats the most that can be done at this point.
08-14-2006, 02:30 PM
#14
Originally Posted by JClaw
If we can't get the cams drilled by Tilley who else can get it done?
Mike
08-14-2006, 03:26 PM
#15
Originally Posted by tavarish
i'd have to say it also took me pretty long to get my 2 sets of spacers. the first set i had to bother him everyday to ship, and the second set i had to have a friend drve up there (someone who knew him) to get them. otherwise i prolly wouldnt have them by now.
08-14-2006, 08:49 PM
#18
Originally Posted by diymaximakid
so only stephenmax and make cam spacer and adapters?
08-15-2006, 12:38 AM
#20
I paypaled Tilley for the Cam adapters on May 4th and didn't I get them in for months. I finally emailed him saying that I wanted a refund becuase I was tired of waiting and I had a change of plans and didn't need them anymore. I received an email a few days later saying he would get me a refund once he "transfers funds". I have yet to hear back from him nor have I received my refund or cam adapters.
Once again I cannot overstate what Tilley has done for the Maxima community, but business is business. I don't mind waiting for a quality part but at least keep me informed and be somewhat easy to get in touch with.
Travis: Tilley and Stephen have been charging at least double that. Although they also either drill your intake cams or give you a true adapter (no drilling).
Once again I cannot overstate what Tilley has done for the Maxima community, but business is business. I don't mind waiting for a quality part but at least keep me informed and be somewhat easy to get in touch with.
Travis: Tilley and Stephen have been charging at least double that. Although they also either drill your intake cams or give you a true adapter (no drilling).
08-15-2006, 01:16 AM
#21
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Wow, I'm really sorry to hear these stories. I can say that Tilley is a busy man and might get behind in his work. With all the 3.5's popping left and right, it won't help. My personal experience was so different that I feel you guys are talking about another Tilley. This summer he always answered my phone calls while at his shop and took time to talk to my mechanic on several occasions to explain the details to him. If he did change his ways, then I do feel sorry for you guys but he did so much for me that I have to at least share my positive experience in his defence. I truly hope that all this mess gets corrected and that Tilley's name don't get thrown in the mud after all he's done.
As for Stephen Max, there's another great guy!! He was very easy to work with as well. He shipped me the IACV plate and I was very pleased. It took me 1 month to receive them but it was not his fault. The border kept them for over 3 weeks for inspection of the parcel but Stephen was very patient and kept contact with me to get update on my situation.
As for Stephen Max, there's another great guy!! He was very easy to work with as well. He shipped me the IACV plate and I was very pleased. It took me 1 month to receive them but it was not his fault. The border kept them for over 3 weeks for inspection of the parcel but Stephen was very patient and kept contact with me to get update on my situation.
08-15-2006, 05:42 AM
#22
Originally Posted by TurboS13Hatch
I can get spacers for you guys.. I had a set made when I was putting Frosty's VQ together.. I think they were around 50.00 or so..
Travis
Travis
The issue really aren't the spacers but Tilley originated the idea or design of modifying the spacers so you wouldn't have to drill the cams anymore. If you can do that, then you can corner the market.
08-15-2006, 01:33 PM
#24
Originally Posted by TurboS13Hatch
I haven't looked into it much.. but, why do you have to drill the cams in the first place? Are you guys doing it to compensate for losing the CVTC?
Edit: I guess SPiG answered why they need to be drilled. I explained why they are drilling the dowel pin location where they are.
08-15-2006, 01:41 PM
#25
You can't just space the cam. The VQ35 intake sprocket has the pin while the VQ30 intake cams have the pin, and the VQ30 pin and VQ35 hole are around 180* off from each other. So you have to drill a new hole and put a pin in there to use a VQ35 style cam with a VQ30 style timing chain system.
I believe Tilley was just going to make a spacer that had two pins that would not require the drilling.
I believe Tilley was just going to make a spacer that had two pins that would not require the drilling.
08-15-2006, 02:13 PM
#26
The VQ35 cams have a small and large hole... the small hole (which the VQ35 sprocket uses), is exactly almost exactly 180 degrees opposite of the large dowel hole. So, when the VQ35 intake cam's small pin hole is set at 12 o'clock, the large hole faces 6 o'clock. Also, on the VQ30 timing gear, the tooth that lines it up at 12 o'clock, has a opposite tooth at 6 o'clock, which is exactly even with the centerline of the cam gear. So.. you put the spacer on.. with the large dowel pin hole facing 6 o'clock, instead of 12 o'clock..(this keeps the cam where it needs to be when setting the timing). Then, rotate the VQ30 cam gear around 180 degrees, and count the teeth out to find the exact opposite tooth. Mark that tooth, and put it on the mating mark on the chain.. This will put you to within a few degrees of 0 as far as cam timing is concerned.. and eliminates the need to have the cams drilled out. This is how I did it on Frosty's engine.. Here's a pic of what I'm talking about..
Notice how the large dowels on the intake side are facing 6 o'clock.. the small gear right behind it is the same way..
Travis
Notice how the large dowels on the intake side are facing 6 o'clock.. the small gear right behind it is the same way..
Travis
08-15-2006, 02:34 PM
#28
Originally Posted by TurboS13Hatch
The VQ35 cams have a small and large hole... the small hole (which the VQ35 sprocket uses), is exactly almost exactly 180 degrees opposite of the large dowel hole. So, when the VQ35 intake cam's small pin hole is set at 12 o'clock, the large hole faces 6 o'clock. Also, on the VQ30 timing gear, the tooth that lines it up at 12 o'clock, has a opposite tooth at 6 o'clock, which is exactly even with the centerline of the cam gear. So.. you put the spacer on.. with the large dowel pin hole facing 6 o'clock, instead of 12 o'clock..(this keeps the cam where it needs to be when setting the timing). Then, rotate the VQ30 cam gear around 180 degrees, and count the teeth out to find the exact opposite tooth. Mark that tooth, and put it on the mating mark on the chain.. This will put you to within a few degrees of 0 as far as cam timing is concerned.. and eliminates the need to have the cams drilled out. This is how I did it on Frosty's engine.. Here's a pic of what I'm talking about..
Notice how the large dowels on the intake side are facing 6 o'clock.. the small gear right behind it is the same way..
Travis
Notice how the large dowels on the intake side are facing 6 o'clock.. the small gear right behind it is the same way..
Travis
Edit: I just remembered you'll be using a standalone engine management system. This might change things in your case, but it couldn't work with the A32 ECU.
08-15-2006, 05:19 PM
#30
Originally Posted by nismology
A couple thoughts. The angular distance between the two holes isn't exactly 180*. And variations in the cam timing by even a few degrees can make a big difference since the cam turns 1 for every 2 crank revs. Secondly, and more importantly, i think the intake sprocket being upside down at TDC will affect the ECU's ability to run the motor effectively. The cam position sensor reads off of the cam sprocket and is there to primarily tell the ECU which stroke the number 1 cylinder is on. If the reading is off by 180 cam degrees (360 crank degrees) the ECU would fire the injectors at the beginning of the power stroke instead of the intake stroke and fire the ignition coils before TDC on the exhaust stroke instead of the compression stroke. This is all to my understanding. Feel free to correct me and explain your position.
Edit: I just remembered you'll be using a standalone engine management system. This might change things in your case, but it couldn't work with the A32 ECU.
Edit: I just remembered you'll be using a standalone engine management system. This might change things in your case, but it couldn't work with the A32 ECU.
The other option.. is to drill the cam sprocket.. If you have a drill press.. this should only take you about 2 minutes to do.. You should only have to drill one of the sprockets.. since the ECU only reads off the front intake cam. It would be fairly easy to do... all you need is a degree wheel, a punch, and a drill/bit.
As for the cam timing.. if you use the existing holes, and flip the sprockets around... it puts it damn near at 0 degrees.. It may be 1-2 degrees off.. but, that's not enough to make a huge difference either way..
Travis
08-15-2006, 05:32 PM
#33
Originally Posted by MaxBlack97
Yea I know a person on the org who said they would do the 3.5 swap for me for me in August. After I got the motor and the parts and began pm him and he never responded. I would see him on different post saying he would do swap 4 someone else but he doesnt have that much time. I wont mention tha name. My thing is if u dont have free time just tell me, it wont b hard feelings. Dudes get sour when u give people ur word and then we cant even get in contact wit u when the time comes $ the deal to complete. Everyone should b a man and stand by their own word if not b able to tell the person urself u got no time so he do wha he gotta do to get his work done or in ur case the parts from another oger.
08-15-2006, 05:34 PM
#34
Originally Posted by TurboS13Hatch
Ahh.. you know.. I didn't even think about the sensor for the cam gears.. We're running a standalone..
As for the cam timing.. if you use the existing holes, and flip the sprockets around... it puts it damn near at 0 degrees.. It may be 1-2 degrees off.. but, that's not enough to make a huge difference either way..
Travis
Travis
08-15-2006, 05:52 PM
#35
I don't understand why you guys don't swap in 2002 6spd Maxima harness/ECU's.. and keep the CVTC.. it makes a BIG difference! Hell, if I can get it working in the Sentra.. you guys should be able to get it working in the Maxima..
08-15-2006, 05:57 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by TurboS13Hatch
I don't understand why you guys don't swap in 2002 6spd Maxima harness/ECU's.. and keep the CVTC.. it makes a BIG difference! Hell, if I can get it working in the Sentra.. you guys should be able to get it working in the Maxima..
08-15-2006, 05:58 PM
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1000cc WTF you guys building??? Any specs on this motor? Dynos of it and vids?
Hey turbo about that adapter for the cams, if i want to just drop in the vq35 cams can you make that as i wouldnt really wanna bother with the ecu and harness stuff. With this adapter do you still have to drill the cams
Hey turbo about that adapter for the cams, if i want to just drop in the vq35 cams can you make that as i wouldnt really wanna bother with the ecu and harness stuff. With this adapter do you still have to drill the cams
08-15-2006, 05:58 PM
#38
Originally Posted by TurboS13Hatch
I don't understand why you guys don't swap in 2002 6spd Maxima harness/ECU's.. and keep the CVTC.. it makes a BIG difference! Hell, if I can get it working in the Sentra.. you guys should be able to get it working in the Maxima..
A have access to a 6-speed ECU on the cheap. Could you perchance locate a full 2002 harness for me?
08-15-2006, 09:19 PM
#39
Originally Posted by nismology
The problem with me is i wouldn't know how to integrate the 3.5 '02 harness into the A32 dash harness. I'm more familiar with mechanical workings than electronic stuff and wiring.
A have access to a 6-speed ECU on the cheap. Could you perchance locate a full 2002 harness for me?
A have access to a 6-speed ECU on the cheap. Could you perchance locate a full 2002 harness for me?
08-16-2006, 12:35 AM
#40
For the time and effort of getting one cam drilled you might as well do both just for consistancy and you can adjust the cam timing (for good or bad) in the process which is not something easy to do on this car, but it never occured to me to reverse the sprocket.
That is easy to say when you are getting paid to work on the car instead of the other way around. I am sure rewiring a car is a walk in the park for you, but most of us don't want to do that if possible. Just wondering have you done a VQ35 swap with ECU to a pre 2002 Sentra?
There are several threads about it in the TC/SC forum. But most of the stuff above is not released yet since the car is not done.
Originally Posted by TurboS13Hatch
I don't understand why you guys don't swap in 2002 6spd Maxima harness/ECU's.. and keep the CVTC.. it makes a BIG difference! Hell, if I can get it working in the Sentra.. you guys should be able to get it working in the Maxima..
I am sure rewiring a car is a walk in the park for you, but most of us don't want to do that if possible. Just wondering have you done a VQ35 swap with ECU to a pre 2002 Sentra?
1000cc WTF you guys building??? Any specs on this motor? Dynos of it and vids?