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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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6 spd in a 4th gen

my tranny is junk so i need to get a new one... dont really wanna rebuild... so my question is can i upgrade to a 6 spd w/ minimal modification. i heard somewhere that the only real mod is movin one of the mounts... if this is possible which 6spds will work... can a 6th gen 6spd fit or only 5 gen? thanks!
Old Aug 27, 2006 | 05:52 PM
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A33B or A34 tranny will work. However, you'll need to get the A33B shifter and cable assemblies (A34 shifter won't bolt on), remove the stock 5-speed mount bracket and drill holes for the 6-speed mount, retrofit the 3.0 timing ring onto a 6-speed flywheel, and retrofit the 5-speed speedometer pinion onto the 6-speed, basically. You'll also obviously need to buy a 6-speed clutch. The swap will likely cost $1500 or more, easily, unless you can manage to find the shifter and cable assemblies at a junkyard.
Old Aug 27, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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you think its more trouble than its worth just to have an extra gear??? how bout if i just upgraded to a 5 gen 5spd??
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Originally Posted by maximaSE327
you think its more trouble than its worth just to have an extra gear??? how bout if i just upgraded to a 5 gen 5spd??
If you want it just to say you have 6 gears, then it's not worth it IMO. If you do decide you want it for other, more practical reasons, then you should go for the A34 tranny since it has the shorter final drive.
Old Aug 27, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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well how practical 6 gears vs 5... with the added power of the 00vi will a 6th gear be a good idea?? im being ignorant on the issue so any help or pointers would be great
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 06:53 AM
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Reciting from what i have read, a 6th gear will add more parasitic transmission loss to your power. A justifiable reason to use a 6th speed would be if you are an absolute economy freak. An even if that is the case then you can just go get the 5th gear out of a 3rd gen maxima or altima which is taller. Done deal.
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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yes there is such a huge power loss with having an extra gear.
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 07:18 AM
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ok so how bout 5 gen 5 spd?? that will fit right?? and i heard the quality is better than 4 gen
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Originally Posted by scrhale
A justifiable reason to use a 6th speed would be if you are an absolute economy freak.
In which case you're spending a lot of money to save a little money, whether you're messing with swapping gears or doing a whole swap.
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ok so how bout 5 gen 5 spd?? that will fit right?? and i heard the quality is better than 4 gen
Yes, the 5th gen 5-speed is essentially the same as the 4th gen unit (with minor, debated differences). If you end up getting a 5th gen tranny, be sure to put a 5th gen clutch in while you're at it.
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Originally Posted by vsamoylov
yes there is such a huge power loss with having an extra gear.
I dont see any gains, either.
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any suggestions on a good 5th gen clutch or is stock the way to go?
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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are there 6 gen 5spds or only 6 spd... if so will it fit?
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 08:27 PM
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are there 6 gen 5spds or only 6 spd
Yes there is, but they're 5 speed automatics.

Wiring would be a mess.
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any suggestions on a good 5th gen clutch or is stock the way to go?
Unless you drag the car a lot or are running a decently-higher-than-stock power level, you don't need anything other than an OEM 5th gen clutch.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 06:07 AM
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Yes there is, but they're 5 speed automatics.

Wiring would be a mess.
always blame the wiring
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by vsamoylov
always blame the wiring
Always make tiny little comments without backing anything up with real information.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 01:06 PM
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Always make tiny little comments without backing anything up with real information.
what real information? you either understand wiring or wiring owns you. its one of the two.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by vsamoylov
what real information? you either understand wiring or wiring owns you. its one of the two.

Dude, why do you even post?
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Dude, why do you even post?
ask yourself the same question then.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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We are not even sure if it will fit (5AT) mechanically in the A32 or A33. So wiring aside....mechanical compatability is another point of interest.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 09:07 PM
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ok well how bout we get back to my concerns... and i have a manual so an auto tranny will never be a consideration... i wanted to know if 6 gen 5spd manuals exist
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 09:50 PM
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i wanted to know if 6 gen 5spd manuals exist
No. There is no 5MT in any 5.5gen or 6gen Maxima.

The VQ35 Altima has a 5MT that is the same design as the Maxima 6MT, but why would you want a 5MT that is a PITA to install when you already have one in your car?
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 09:54 PM
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6th gens were never offered in a manual version with 5 gears. they only came with a 6 speed or a 4 or 5 speed auto. the newest version is cvt.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SPiG
No. There is no 5MT in any 5.5gen or 6gen Maxima.

The VQ35 Altima has a 5MT that is the same design as the Maxima 6MT, but why would you want a 5MT that is a PITA to install when you already have one in your car?

i dont want a 5MT thats a PITA to install... hense the question i have asked about 3 times... DO THESE TRANNYS FIT, meaning are they interchangable... just want to know the best tranny i can by that is interchangable w/ the 4 gen 5MT

i would rather by a newer used tranny w/ low milage from a 5 gen than have to by a new tranny for a 97... used 97s all have way more miles on them than mine does now so that would be dumb
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by maximaSE327
i dont want a 5MT thats a PITA to install... hense the question i have asked about 3 times... DO THESE TRANNYS FIT, meaning are they interchangable... just want to know the best tranny i can by that is interchangable w/ the 4 gen 5MT
You need to use a 6th gen flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate, which means you have to modify the flywheel a little. Can't quite remember the details, though...
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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Will the Altima 5spd/Maxima 6 spd connect to the engine?
Yes

Is the swap anywhere near easy or bolt on?
No

You can buy a brand new AE 5spd VLSD tranny for around $1500 from Nissan.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 11:31 AM
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where can u get that for 1500??? the nissan dealers round here def arent that affordable... i can barely find any used ones for 1300
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Bottomline:

1) Replace your 4th gen 5 speed tranny with another one to dodge the customizing troubles and save the cost.

2) Replace it with a 6 speed tranny, and have fun dealing with all the customizing and high cost of shifter and cable parts.

FYI, I have just bought a 6-speed for 750 shipped, that inlcudes tranny, flywheel, and clutch. I'm still planning to pay an extra 500 bucks to buy the shifter and cable assemblies. After that, still have to pay for the tranny job. So, it may be more practical to just buy a 4th gen tranny and directly swap it in.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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right now on ebay is a 2002 3.5 with a 6 speed tranny for 1200 with only 5K on it.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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that same tranny is taken out already, they didn't correct it, yet. I had them take that tranny out 2 days ago. It was sold to me.
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