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Old 11-03-2006 | 03:52 AM
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3.5 swap in a 5th gen?

A good friend of mine just got a 2000 5sp, but the car has 170k on it. The swaps I've seen have been in 4th gens. Is there anyone who has done this? I'm sure it wouldnt be much differant, but I just havent seen one. Also, how much is the going rate that shops are getting to perform this? (Maximum Tuning maybe?)
Old 11-05-2006 | 02:44 PM
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swap is said to be easier in a 5th gen than a 4th gen. I believe the injector clips wouldnt have to be soldered in.
Old 11-09-2006 | 01:12 AM
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i'm far from needing this but interested to know how this would effect the car. Having same weight as the 5.5gens, we are looking at being slower than 4th gens and also slower than 5.5 gens since we dont use their ecu, etc or whatever it is that 4th gens find hard to mimic
Old 11-09-2006 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by meccanoble
i'm far from needing this but interested to know how this would effect the car. Having same weight as the 5.5gens, we are looking at being slower than 4th gens and also slower than 5.5 gens since we dont use their ecu, etc or whatever it is that 4th gens find hard to mimic
I hear you, but I think it would still be better than the 3.0, no?
Old 11-09-2006 | 02:58 PM
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I'm planning on doing this swap in my 5.0 gen since it will be as fast as having a low boost super/turbo + increase driveabilty and reliability. I'm PLANNING to make a complete write-up on the swap, but I might forget or something.
Old 11-10-2006 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AnDyMaN
I'm planning on doing this swap in my 5.0 gen since it will be as fast as having a low boost super/turbo + increase driveabilty and reliability. I'm PLANNING to make a complete write-up on the swap, but I might forget or something.
Definately keep us posted. I'd like to see how you make out. Good luck man.
Old 11-10-2006 | 06:49 AM
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sure, im picking up a motor on saturday... .just gotta find the time.... lol..
Old 11-20-2006 | 01:50 AM
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Another question. Since I have a 2000 cali-spec, I have an egr setup. Would I retain this on the set up once the 3.5 is installed? I would think so, so there is no CEL. No?
Old 11-20-2006 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by clborden
Another question. Since I have a 2000 cali-spec, I have an egr setup. Would I retain this on the set up once the 3.5 is installed? I would think so, so there is no CEL. No?

3.5 swaps you cannot do egr. some cars do trip a CEL some do not. I think the older maxi's 97's tend to not run a cel but the other 98's on up do. thats coming from TILLEYS99 who has done many.
Old 11-20-2006 | 08:56 AM
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chris'smax has done the swap onto his 2000 auto maxima. He then sold the car to my brother. Yes, it has been done, and there's cel's for the EGR stuff. I have mine, a 4th gen, swapped also. We have both 4th gens and 5th gen maxima's with 3.5 swaps.

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Old 11-20-2006 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GodFather
chris'smax has done the swap onto his 2000 auto maxima. He then sold the car to my brother. Yes, it has been done, and there's cel's for the EGR stuff. I have mine, a 4th gen, swapped also. We have both 4th gens and 5th gen maxima's with 3.5 swaps.

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does your 4t hgen have a CEL? iheard sometimes youu get lucky and dont
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does your 4t hgen have a CEL? iheard sometimes youu get lucky and dont
I dont' have a typical 3.5 swap into my 4th gen. you'll need to check my homepage to find out more about the details of the components. Basically, I get to keep the 4th gen fuel, evap, and egr for the swap. Thus, I receive no cel's at all. It runs without a sign of trouble except now I'm getting some maintenance issues from the suspensions. This is due to the massive torque and hp increase that I alwasy take the car to redline everytime I drive it. Some of the suspension bushings are worned out, I have yet a chance to fix them.

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Old 11-20-2006 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GodFather
I dont' have a typical 3.5 swap into my 4th gen. you'll need to check my homepage to find out more about the details of the components. Basically, I get to keep the 4th gen fuel, evap, and egr for the swap. Thus, I receive no cel's at all. It runs without a sign of trouble except now I'm getting some maintenance issues from the suspensions. This is due to the massive torque and hp increase that I alwasy take the car to redline everytime I drive it. Some of the suspension bushings are worned out, I have yet a chance to fix them.

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Would it be possible to hook up the egr setup from the 3.0? If so, would it keep the CEL's away? I'm asking because in CT, the car will not pass emissions/inspection if it has the CEL on.
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IC, I wouldn't run EGR, I would rather deal with the hassle of finding someone else to pass my car, than mess with egr, I hate egr.
Old 11-20-2006 | 10:28 PM
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Would it be possible to hook up the egr setup from the 3.0? If so, would it keep the CEL's away? I'm asking because in CT, the car will not pass emissions/inspection if it has the CEL on.
On the 5th gen maxima with the 3.5 swap, we have constant cel's on the EGR. So I'm pretty sure if you are trying the swap, you'd have that same cel. Unless you prove me wrong, I take it for now that 5th gens get the EGR cel's.

If you do a conventional 3.5 swap (02-03 engine with its intake manifold), you'd have to find a way to hook the EGR up, There's no EGR slots on the new 3.5 manifold. So you'd have no way to dodge that problem. If you get lucky, you will get no cel, but that's if you are a 95 4th gen. I know for sure that 97's and up, there's EGR cel's. Then I keep hearing some guys here saying that there are cases that they don't get the EGR cel's. So I'm not sure. But I know the 95's got away from EGR cel's safely.

Also, the way my setup runs, I am using the Pathfinder heads on the maxima block, thus I get to keep my 4th gen manifolds and EGR hook up was not an issue for me. However, I blocked the EGR anyways because I wouldn't want a charcoal-ed intake manifold at all.

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Old 11-21-2006 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GodFather
On the 5th gen maxima with the 3.5 swap, we have constant cel's on the EGR. So I'm pretty sure if you are trying the swap, you'd have that same cel. Unless you prove me wrong, I take it for now that 5th gens get the EGR cel's.

If you do a conventional 3.5 swap (02-03 engine with its intake manifold), you'd have to find a way to hook the EGR up, There's no EGR slots on the new 3.5 manifold. So you'd have no way to dodge that problem. If you get lucky, you will get no cel, but that's if you are a 95 4th gen. I know for sure that 97's and up, there's EGR cel's. Then I keep hearing some guys here saying that there are cases that they don't get the EGR cel's. So I'm not sure. But I know the 95's got away from EGR cel's safely.

Also, the way my setup runs, I am using the Pathfinder heads on the maxima block, thus I get to keep my 4th gen manifolds and EGR hook up was not an issue for me. However, I blocked the EGR anyways because I wouldn't want a charcoal-ed intake manifold at all.

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WTG, block off that EGR FTW. Tilleys99 said he did many 3.5 swaps and h found that the 97's and under actually did have a beter chance of no CEL with egr. I am assuming that the 95's get away with it due to something related to the OBD1 ECU.
Old 11-21-2006 | 04:51 AM
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There is no such thing as an OBDI 4th gen. The 95's are OBDII ... they just don't give to flying *&^%$ about EGR and EVAP equipment. *Sigh* EGR is a very complicated thing. Bless the invention of resisters eh . I don't see why 4th genners couldn't hook-up EGR if we use the A32 Exhaust manifolds. May involve some custom EGR piping, but hey ... I prefer to pass emissions.
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So would the only way to do this be to have Pathfinder heads and the 00-01 IM? I should be able to keep the EGR set-up, or no? I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but I'm just trying to explore all options.
Old 11-21-2006 | 07:38 AM
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If you use Pathy heads then the 00-01 intake manifold will port match and all is good. I think it is still in debate whether or not the 00-01 manifold is better than the 02-03 ... or hell the 04+. I have this wierd thought in the back of my head that thinks that the pathy 3.5 heads aren't as good as the Maxima/Altima heads. Oh well ... good luck with the swap.
Old 11-21-2006 | 08:16 AM
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00-01 manifold is better than the 02-03
For 5800-7000 RPM, in stock form it is. (00 > 02+)
Old 11-21-2006 | 08:36 AM
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the ultimate 3.5 swap write-up:

1. acquire 2002-2003 maxima
2. sell current car
3. combine money
4. buy said 2002-2003 maxima

i kid, i kid.
Old 11-21-2006 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
For 5800-7000 RPM, in stock form it is. (00 > 02+)
How do we know this for sure?
Old 11-21-2006 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AnDyMaN
I'm planning on doing this swap in my 5.0 gen since it will be as fast as having a low boost super/turbo + increase driveabilty and reliability. I'm PLANNING to make a complete write-up on the swap, but I might forget or something.
I am planning to do this swap also in a JDM Maxima. Bought a VQ3.5 from the US and imported it to me. Receiving the engine tomorrow, will do a write up and let u no how it works out. Will definitely be the first VQ3.5 A33 in my country.

It's replacing a VQ2.0
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JDM Maxima??
Old 11-21-2006 | 04:46 PM
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JDM Maxima??
Yes they do exist. The fourth gen is the same, can either have a maxima badge or cefiro badge, same applies to the fifth gen.

What u guys call the fifth gen(model after) is actually the Infiniti I35 u guys have. Again same body styling just RHD. Jdm's are RHD's
Old 02-17-2008 | 03:22 PM
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sorry to bring back a old post, but w/ swapping a 5th gen maxima w/ the 3.5 can you just take the engine trans (6sp) and full wiring harness w/ ecu and drop it right in? Or am i missing a few things.
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So would the only way to do this be to have Pathfinder heads and the 00-01 IM? I should be able to keep the EGR set-up, or no? I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but I'm just trying to explore all options.
You can use the 3.0 egr setup on an ordinary 3.5 swap---just cut off half of the EGR guide tube and then run a heater hose from it to a tee into the brake booster nipple on the back of the 3.5 IM. If you're not comfortable teeing the brake booster, then just tap the manifold and add another nipple. Tilley teed it to the brake booster on my brother's a32, and he never had any problems with it.
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Old threads FTW!

I also have a 5th gen and was trying to get rid of my EGR bull. Couldn't we just wire up the correct resistors in and fool the ecu? Seems like that's all that would be needed other than blocking some holes.....or am I missing something?
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Probably be cheaper (and definitely easier) to sell the 2000 and get a '02 or '03.
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