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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 01:30 PM
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3.5 TDC position

I just want to make sure I got this correct before I disassemble the timing case... came across quite a bit of set backs already and I dont want anymore... Do I have the engine at TDC?? I dont really want to take out #1 coilpack cuz it looks like I have to undo the intake mainfold.

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I'm about 80% sure I have it right... I just want to be assured by all of you that have done it! Thanks!!
Old Jan 7, 2007 | 01:51 PM
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Looks ok to me. You can also remove the rear valve cover, the lobes on the cylinder closest the timing case on the rear bank should look like: / \
Old Jan 7, 2007 | 03:32 PM
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Jacking the thread because I didn't want to start another one. I finally got time to work on the 3.5 again and I just wanted to make sure I got the timing right. I know I don't have the colored links lined up on the inner sprocketsb but they are right.






Old Jan 8, 2007 | 06:45 AM
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looks damn good Sdot82.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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so all you have to do is line up the arrow to the darker chain link?
and to get the engine to TDC line up the chalked areas? those marks dont look very "exact" its kinda just a little chalk mark.
also, why does it have to be at TDC?
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 10:20 AM
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Yes you will line those up. when installing the 3.0 equipment on, dont just go by that arrow and the link, look at the cams as well make sure the lobes are aimed properly. And look at the crank also to make sure its lined up at TDC.

Chillin... TDC is a good point of reference for when your installing the timing equipment. If you just didnt set tdc, and tried to put on the new timing equipment, say you move the cams by accident or too far, you would have no way to get back to exactly where you were. TDC is a good point of reference, you accidentally move something too far, you can set everything back to TDC, and continue. Wouldnt want to start the car up and you have valves slapping into pistons and such . . . ouch.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Yes you will line those up. when installing the 3.0 equipment on, dont just go by that arrow and the link, look at the cams as well make sure the lobes are aimed properly. And look at the crank also to make sure its lined up at TDC.

Chillin... TDC is a good point of reference for when your installing the timing equipment. If you just didnt set tdc, and tried to put on the new timing equipment, say you move the cams by accident or too far, you would have no way to get back to exactly where you were. TDC is a good point of reference, you accidentally move something too far, you can set everything back to TDC, and continue. Wouldnt want to start the car up and you have valves slapping into pistons and such . . . ouch.
alright thanks. i'll have to get more specific when i actually get into it, it wont be until i need to install the cam spacers i dont have yet. This appears to be the least straight forward part of the swap.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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Would any of you suggest using locktite to secure the the cam spacers/adapters? I dont think it would be necessary but my brother was suggesting it.

He was thinking of putting a little in the hole where the dowel pin goes inserted. Have any of you done that??

I honestly feel theres no need to because it will be secured between the camshaft and the pressure of the cam gear. Plus, I had some adapters made out of steel... nothing wrong with Stephen Max's adapters but I feel more secure having a steel spacer(base) to hold the dowel pins.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 12:37 PM
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Would any of you suggest using locktite to secure the the cam spacers/adapters? I dont think it would be necessary but my brother was suggesting it.
where would you be applying to loctite? The cam spacer is secured when you torque the cam bolt down to 70 ft/lbs. Trust me the adapter isnt moving after that.

He was thinking of putting a little in the hole where the dowel pin goes inserted. Have any of you done that??
Are yours just spacers? or do the relocate the dowel pin as well. if they dont, you'll need to relocate it. a degree wheel can help.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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they relocate the dowel pin... its the same exact dimensions as StephenMax's but mine are made out of stainless steel. I bought StephenMax's to make sure I had the right dimensions and just had my friend make some for me at his machine shop. So once I finish the swap, I'll re-sell the ones StephenMax sent me.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 915Max
they relocate the dowel pin... its the same exact dimensions as StephenMax's but mine are made out of stainless steel. I bought StephenMax's to make sure I had the right dimensions and just had my friend make some for me at his machine shop. So once I finish the swap, I'll re-sell the ones StephenMax sent me.
when will this be? im lookin for some.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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Probably within the next month or so. The only thing is that you'll need to buy the two spacers.

These are my adapters:
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 06:10 PM
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let me get this straight. there are four adaptors in all? Or what...why would i have to buy two more?
and how much is your friend charging to make those?
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 06:34 PM
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no just 2 adapters. One for each side I am guessing.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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no 4 are needed.

intake and exhaust cams need it.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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four spacers are needed. I also want to know if people are actually using a degree wheel to help them set TDC with the cams. And if so, does anyone have a degree wheel they recommend.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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I just used the markings on the chain and oil pump..
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by speed racer
four spacers are needed. I also want to know if people are actually using a degree wheel to help them set TDC with the cams. And if so, does anyone have a degree wheel they recommend.

a degree wheel isnt needed to set TDC. a degree wheel would be useful in drilling the cams.
Old Jan 8, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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I dont know if he would make just one set... its real time consuming to make them. I actually thought about having him make me a few sets so I can sell them. If I decide to do so, and if he's willing to do it, I'll let you know.
Old Jan 9, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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Ok I'm assuming this is about the vq35 cam swap...If so is anyone planning on doing a write up with pics? Not that I'd be doing the swap myself (shop would) but I would like to see whats going on.
Old Jan 9, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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the sticky provides many pics and pretty much all the information you'd need to know for the swap. there are a few small things here that werent included but the big issues were tackled in the sticky.
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