xlcrew

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hey guys i'm wondering what parts i need for a 6 speed in my 2000. i'm looking into a spacer so that i can use a 3L flywheel and clutch so i guess i'm asking is i know i need the shifter and cable for the shifter to work, but will the speed sensor work from my car, will the master clutch cylinder work, do i need to change the slave cylinder? will my starter work or do i need to get one from a 6 speed? any info would be great, and please no just look for a 6 speed questions. i know that this will be a involved but i have found a tranny and if i can get into this cheaper than the other option i have. my other option is to get a brand new 5 speed. i don't want to have mine rebuilt and i really don't want a junk yard tranny, but i have found a 6 speed with less than 6000 miles on it. thanks for any help at all.

dfownz

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Which ecu are you using?

xlcrew

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my factory 2000 ecu

xlcrew

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bump also looking for info on if my tranny mount in my car will work or if i need the 6 speed tranny mount. also need to know if the spacer that jclaw used will work with 3L motor and 6 speed tranny's.

JClaw

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It should work in theory, but youre still a pionier. Nobody has that specific setup yet - and that spacer aint cheap. Technically it just simulates the right 6speed flywheel thickness.

xlcrew

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isn't it like 150 bucks or around there?

JClaw

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Yep .

xlcrew

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you said that i could get it through fred allen correct? i pmd him i haven't gotten a response, is there another way to get ahold of him? also in your opinion would doing a 6 speed in a 3L with nitrous worth the trouble?

Red Lion

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There's a discussion going on about it right now on Fred's forum.
http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums...read.aspx#1838

As far as I can tell Fred used his with the 350Z 6-speed, so I'm not sure how his would work with the Maxima 6-speed.

I'm not even sure how it looks, I'm guessing it's supposed to attach to the flywheel and/or ring gear and space the flywheel/clutch/pressure plate out to the correct space so the throw-out bearing can get contact?

Alex_V

no, it spaces the throw out bearing properly. I wouldn't ever want a spacer between the flywheel and crankshaft, at 2K+ rpm Id be scared of tasteing flywheel bits (from the flywheel bending and shattering).

~Alex

MAXSE5SPD

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im actually the guy who started that post on engineswaptech.com. i have the spacer and are pretty far in. the only problem im having now, is we are hooking up the hydraulics and the spacer seems to have pushed the release fork out too far and it is not even pushing the pressure plate.

nismology

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The 350Z flywheel has a different offset from the FWD 3.5 flywheel, meaning it sticks out farther away from the motor. The spacer is made to make up for the difference in offset between the 350Z flywheel and 3.0 flywheel. Since the FWD VQ35 flywheel doesn't stick out as far, this means the 6-speed clutch doesn't stick out as far either. If this is true, the spacer doesn't need to be as long with a FWD 6-speed tranny. I'm sure this doesn't make sense since i'm really tired. I'll try to explain more in the morning.

95turbo gxe

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ok im not understanding something here. Are you saying that the 6speed tranny can be converted to hydrlic clutch system instead of doing the cable?

And im wondering if the spec v 6 speed is as strong as the maxima 6 speed.
What axels do I need for the the 6 speed in my 4th gen?
Im tired of breaking these ragdy *** 5speed trannies

MAXSE5SPD

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nismo- i understand what you are saying.

93turbo-you would be converting from the rod driven 5spd to the cable driven 6spd. the 5 spd axles will work with the 6spd.

here are a few pics of my swap

http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/MAXSE5SPD/

SPiG

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The FWD 6spd is hydraulic clutch and cable shift.
The FWD 5spd is hydraulic clutch and rod shift.

GodFather

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Great pics out there. Permission to download some of your pictures? I am keeping my 6-speed tranny in the shop for now. Thinking about installing it in case my supercharged setup would kick a crack on the 5-speed.


Hey Spig, dont' forget to bring my windows tomorrow, it's payday.

-Peter-

MAXSE5SPD

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sure go for it. i have a few more pics but i dont have my cam with me.

im still trying to figure out this spacer ****. im at a standstill right now, because i dont wanna keep going with reassembly if i need to change the placement of the spacer.

GodFather

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Thanks, your pictures will help in the long run. Whenver you can, please keep them coming.

-Peter-

eng92

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All you really need to do is compare the measurement between the crankshaft mounting face and the clutch friction surface on an A33B/A34 and A32 flywheel.

I may still have an A34 flywheel and clutch sitting in my garage. If I do, I will measure it up tonight.

MAXSE5SPD

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thank you, what would be a huge help. i may be interested in purchasing that if your interested in selling. because im having my doubts about this spacer working.......

nismology

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The spacer won't work because of what i said in my post. You either need to make a spacer that's shorter or just use a 6-speed flywheel with a 3.0 timing ring welded on.

eng92

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It is missing the crank timing ring. I used that for my VQ35 swap.

It is pretty heavy so the cost to ship it from Canada probably would not be worth it.

Flywheels are pretty cheap from the wreckers.

Red Lion

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If that's true, and this might be a dumb question, but why not have the spacer shaved down to the appropriate length to make sure the fork is at the proper placement?

JClaw

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Ok so the spacer needs to be a little shorter than mine or Broaner's. But its still better than the heavy-flywheel-plus-downtime-of-machining route. IMO.

MAXSE5SPD

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does anyone have the specs for a rwd and fwd 3.5 flywheel?

95turbo gxe

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Im also wondering how much larger is the 6 speed tranny vs the 98 maxima 5 speed tranny? I have my down pipe and feed pipe running in front of the tranny now and are hoping that they will still clear the 6 speed after installed!

MAXSE5SPD

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the 6spd is definately bigger. i think i have a pic with the 5 and 6 spds side by side

95turbo gxe

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Is it bigger all the way around or just to the fire wall side or the front side? Will it take anymore ground clearence away? Ok how about the speed sesor witch one to use? Im going with a full spec v tranny as im getting one with 16,000 miles for $350.

MAXSE5SPD

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5spd

6spd


its pretty much bigger all the way round. i got a crappy cell phone pic of it mounted in the car if you wanna see that.

nismology

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Got maxima bellhousing?

95turbo gxe

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yes please how about the speed sensor

Red Lion

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doesn't look any bigger than an auto.

MAXSE5SPD

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its definately smaller than the auto, by a lot.

im not sure about the speed sensor yet. the 5spd one bolts in and seems to fit, but i havent driven the car yet to see. i think theres going to be some custom wiring because i highly doubt im lucky enuf for it to be plug and play

MAXSE5SPD

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95turbo gxe

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Ok Well im wondering what starter to use? and Looks like you will have to exstend those starter wires too.

MAXSE5SPD

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6spd starter

SR20DEN

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There is no difference in face offset between a FWD vs. RWD VQ35 flywheel. The only thing that is offset differently is the timing ring.

nismology

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In that case ignore everything i said.

According to him, the clutch pedal is very close to the floor and the slave cylinder is pushing the release fork so far it's hitting the case. I finally understand what's going on. Actually sounds like a longer spacer is needed but i'll stop speculating until he we have real data.

Nismo3112

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From what I understand the spacer sits behind the TOB, but I am failing to see why it sits there from the beginning. From what I THINK the spacer is doing is just making the resting spot of the TOB closer to the PP, but not actually increasing the overall travel of the TOB/fork. And I can't seem to figure out how a shorter spacer will make the TOB reach the PP. It seems like the entire fork needs to move towards the engine, and to do so the pivot joint thing would need to be moved closer to the engine as well. Am I missing something here????

eng92

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I measured the distance from the face of the timing ring (engine side) to the face of the flywheel on a loose A34 flywheel I have as well as the A32 unit installed in my car. (My tranny is currently dropped)

The face of the A33B/A34 flywheel projects about 17mm further into the clutch housing than the A32.

If you plan on using a 5MT flywheel and PP with the 6MT, you will need to make a spacer to move the release bearing closer to the PP.