I just got my Emanage Ultimate, Im about to order a wide band, but i have a few questions.

1) Do you guys have any recomendations on what wide band to get? Where to get it?
2) Are there any pros/cons to running the self tune on the EU?

I was planning on running the self tune on the EU, that as well as the raised rev limit were the main selling points for me. However i have been hearing from some that the self tune feature is not that good, i can understand how this may not be comparable to having it proffessionaly tuned, but how much worse is it? I am completely new to tuning, and have NO CLUE on how to tune the EU, so im going to be learning as i go...yes i know the difference between lean and rich...but as far as a controller is concerned i have no experience, so any information would be helpfull

 

There are a lot of WBO2 threads in here lately with good info to sift through so that'd be a place to start if you haven't already. I'm running a PLX M300 which is linear and about be in the same boat as you... EU is on the way.
I planned on doing the WB selftune just to rough it in then fine tune on the dyno.

subscribing for the AFR rough tune and general questions

 

i was looking at the PLX r-300 and the LC-1. But i dont want to spend that much...when i got the EU i was under the impression i just needed a Wideband o2 sensor and the EU would be able to get and A/F reading from that...

But from the looks of it you NEED to get a A/F gauge with an output in order to get it 2 werk with the EU right?

 

As was stated in an above post you're looking for the PLX M300 not R300. The R300 is over kill and unneccesary for your application.

 

hmm ic ic, thanks for the input

 

I have read nothing about the r300 being an a/f controller...can someone clear this up? Are you sure your not confusing the r300 with the m500 or the models UP from the r300?

 

Correct. The R300 is not an A/F controller. Neither is the R500. They are wideband controllers that can datalog. Lots of bells and whistles too. You do not need these with the EU.

 

Oh, and if you decide to go with Zeitronix, and buy used, make sure you don't buy a Gen I Zeitronix Wideband, they don't have a linear output. Only the new one's are linear.

 

Buy an LC-1. You need NOTHING MORE than that to tune. You don't need a gauge. All you're going to need is the LC-1 and the adapter that lets you use the OPTION port on the EU.

 

I picked up my m300 new last year for $300 and needed the gauge at the time. Heard nothing but good things about the innovate products though. No longer in the market so I haven't researched anymore. From what I remember the PLX M250 should also be enough to output linear.

 

I know it's already been stated but I apologize for my error. I didn't read everything on the webpage, and now I have.

I read "wideband air/fuel controller," assuming it meant it controlled air/fuel ratio, where as it actually means it controls the output signal of the wideband sensor to give accurate readings air/fuel readings.

 

Its kewl, nice that you looked info up to help another org member out tho!

I realize that there are cheaper widebands out there...but cheap is still like ~270 shipped...im waiting on someone that has a r300 available that might let it got for less than 200...so in that case i would rather get that...

I also like the features on the r300, basically 6 gauges in one if you buy the accesory harnesses and such...wich i never will do, but i like the display...altho you dont need a A/F gauge all the time i plan on doing a nitrous setup soon, so it would be "Convenient" to have it visible...

When i bout the EU i was under the impression you JUST needed the wideband O2 sensor...not the unit as well...didnt realize it was going to set me back so much...sigh...

anyone have any used ones for sale ???

 

http://www.plxdevices.com/products_SMAFR.htm
No gauge but new and in your price range

 

hmm....thats pretty good, i guess if i get a gauge it would be a rather good deal...

this and a gauge will pair up with my EU and function properly?

 

yup. sure will. It's all spelled out on the website.

 

I was looking at this also, will this work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NGK-A...spagenameZWDVW

 

why not a zt-2?

 

as xerox said, what about the NGK from ebay?, its cheap and simple, sensor + monitor (im wtb some wideband o2 for my turbo tunning too and this AFX sounded like an option, what you guys think?)

 

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com//produc...000&country=US
"Yes, the AFX has a 0 ~ 5V, linear analog output for AFR that can be used as an input to an engine controller or data acquisition system."

That is the main thing to be concerned with. Other than that it's up to you... price, looks, extra features if any, etc. Plenty on the market to choose from, do your research.


I'd still like to know about the self tune feature of the EU and how well it works as I've heard not so good news from other types of cars that've tried it.

 

i have tried to search around and find info so i wouldnt have to ask too many questions...but im really new to tuning, and im not "down" with the lingo lol, so its kinda hard to look for info on stuff i know nothing about.

so the NGK WILL work? i realize it states that in the description. "linear analog output" seams to the the only thing that will make this work with the EU. At least from what i have learned to this point.

Yes i am still very interested in the self tune option as well tho, as in comparison to tuning without it....differences, pros/cons...etc...

 

just picked up this AEM UEGO wideband...

anyone have any good or bad opinions on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...9646986&rd=1,1

 

S I'm new to the world of tuning as well, but from what i can see..the self tuning from the EU is simply to get a rough basemap to get the car running,by no means is it an actual "real" tune. For my wideband i went with the LC-1. From what everyone says there really isn't much difference between the the different ones.

 

I've read many good personal experiences about it.... but why ask after you bought it? What if it sucked?

Also, Ebay FTL. Should a bought it from an authorized dealer, IMO. I emailed EVERY single authorized dealer from Innovates website, explaining that I was shopping around and can find stuff cheap on ebay, and you know what, a few people responded with prices LOWER than ebay prices. End result, best price, and I have a hassle-free warranty considering I bought it from an authorized dealer. Just some food for thought for next time.

 

good question...i guess i have been thinking about what to get for so long i just got fed up and just spent the money...

enough thinking! arrgghhh lol

Well i was looking around and for that same wideband i purchased, i seamed to get nothing but higher prices, around 80-100 + $'s so i figured i would just get it off ebay...ebay is hit or miss with anything, not just car stuff, i realize the risk, but from my experience, most people on there have been really good about returning defective products...and this seller has a 10 cash back if the item is damaged...so i figured i couldnt go wrong...but i realize sometimes even stuff like that can be FTL

I really didnt want to spend more than 300 bucks on a wideband and this seemed to be the best route to get that price...

we will c, ill come back when i get it and let you guys know how it worked...

again thanks to everyone for the input and advice, all motor section never fails me

 

Hope it does indeed work out for ya. Look forward to hearing your personal review/experience.

 

well i just got the wideband in today, and everything looks 100% so far...got it at the same time as my testpipe and EU complete harness and new motor mount (pass) i was pretty excited...time to start tuning!

Now i just gota find where the hell the wiring instructions are for the EU. I found some good ones earlier but i didnt bookmark em..

Ill post up some pics once i get this stuff installed.