http://forums.maxima.org/4033076-post38.html

That was said 2yrs ago when we were young and happy to have EU working for us. Yet we still have no central database of maps for at least n/a people. at least that i know of)

What ever happened to us helping to push the VQ to new heights and trying to help out each other?

Other guys ( vw, gt-r, supra, chevy, etc) that use devices like this that allow you to load up user tuned maps all manage to do a better job of sharing what the create. I just think we should put our maps somewhere so others coming after us can use them to get started or to maximize their setups.

i'm gonna start putting my eu files up for people to use once i get my a/f ironed out.

 

Thats a good question....

I mean I understand we have alot of different custom mods but what happened to that, I plan to get an EU soon and don't know where to even start.

 

i mean the n/a guys have pretty simple mods to correct for while using the someone elses maps.

this came to me when my friend had an issue with his piggy back and wanted to try another map and he just went online to his forum and d/l'd a few of them to cure his misfire issue and off we went. this is a 4 banger making nearly 400whp.

i remeber a turbo guy a few mths ago had his eu stolen and he needed a base map just to get his car fired with his 550 or something. and no one, and i mean no one helped him out. not even with a base map just so he can start his car and continue his tune from there. i personally felt a bit sad for our community at that point.

the number of guys with one off mods is small compared to the bulk of us and a database would help people learn how to tune and find tunes quickly.

 

isnt that just it right there? one cant safely assume that a map from someone with their mods is gonna work for them can they? i would like to see others' maps just for comparison purposes, but im not sure i would feel safe using it without seeing my own afrs, etc. but hey, if anyone wants to see my maps ill gladly let them see it, you can use it at your own risk.

 

those few mods that people have that are rare will be far and few in between. and as time goes on people begin to do those mods more and more. just look at the z32 mafs and the 3.5 swaps. those are fairly common these days.

but thats just my take on it and it seems maybe im wrong here, seeing how there is just 3 posts in this thread and a good number of views already.

 

I think this would be very helpfull especially for tunning noobs like myself. Atleast a base for comparison...I haven't installed my 00vi and my biggest concern is tunning. Got a wideband (XD-16/ LC 1) on the way and a vafc2, have been reading up on both, but still not confident on what I'm doing - can't even imagine messing w/EU. Prolly gonna try and get one of the boys futher south of me to help.

I can also understand some guys not wanting to share....I mean it did cost them money for dyno's and time.

 

This would be very useful for guys like me who will need to set-up EU with out any experience or knowledge, so that would give us a kick start, then we can fine tune at a dyno shop.

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When i get home i'm gonna start putting them online here for people to see and use if they wish. Granted i am still learning how to mess with it but i hope to have more time to tune and have better maps to post.

 

unless you are like doublea and I with the heads and cams

 

the thing i find funny is that anyone n/a would take a extremely generic JWT ecu and toss it in their cars but wont want to try out a EU map from someone else since they have a mod different or so. i just dont personally understand how that is worked out in peoples heads.

 

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Most of the Maxima crowd I linger with would never buy a JWT ECU for that reason, they (we) all want custom tuning for their particular setup.

I concur with what you're saying. Its not as if posting up our settings people have to abide by them. The settings would be posted AS A TOOL OF REFERENCE. The n00blet would look in the database, look to see which is the closest match to his setup, then start out with the settings there just to get it into the correct ballpark, then fine-tuning it for their own car (because after all, all cars are different, even with identical mods).

OBVIOUSLY it should be noted that if the n00blet uses someone else's settings, they UNDERSTAND that it is only for reference, and that if they do so, they do it on their own free will (no liability for the O.P.). They shouldnt even be changing settings around with no way to verify how they're affecting the vehicle (wideband on street or dyno tuning).

Easiest way would be to take snapshots of the tables and setting parameters and post them up in a post, and at the top list the mods correspondent to the settings being used

 

if a n00blet goes in the database, lets say has an EU brand new, looks for the wildest setup in the database and decides to use THIS GUY'S settings because the power is mad-tyte JDM and ends up blowing up his engine... thats HIS FAULT! LOL

Shouldn't be messing with a self-tuning tool if one doesn't know how it works/ what it does!

 

I wouldn't mind seeing dandy's for the rev limit removal and some other things.

 

Things are way different now then before the Eu or even EB was popular. When i first came on this site people fought tooth and nail over JWT and Technosquare ecus which was as generic as can be and they just fine tunned it to their liking. I used to daily drive a car with a jwt chip, safc and a s/c on it which peopel considered to be a super setup for a maxima.

for many n/a cars the little changes that it would take to go from one map to another would be minial ( granted a wb and time is taking to make said changes). A guy with a decently modded 3.5 wont and shouldnt upload a map for a bone stock 3.0 and vice versa. but if someone is going to do a 3.5 swap and follow my setup or yours or anyones, then i dont see why them d/l'ing one of our maps to get started wouldnt help get more people into EU and more people modding 4th/5th/6th/etc gen maximas.

I mean we have write ups, and people pm each other ( and i have gotten great amount of help with my EU setup) but this is long over due IMHO.


You are right. All this boils down to is personal responsibility. If you have a turbo maxima and you upload a map for a 13 degree advanced race gas n/a car then you deserve what you get. But we should be growing a database of turbo maps, n/a maps, nitrous maps, super charger maps. We did it for things such as exhaust clips.... i think this is more important then that i think.

I think we could have it setup like the following.
1) how we have the EU set up according to Dandys writeup ( such as what is being used and what isnt)
2) Our mods
3) the fueling setup we are using
4) How we tuned the vehicle to get said map/ or what map we altered to get to this point.
5) ETC


I mean I am a smart guy, i fully understand duty cycle and duration, a/f and tons of other things from my Mechanical Engineering background... but i'm no dandy, i'm not jime or even neal. Those guys have such a sick grasp over the vq that it would take me many years to get there. I would never put a 12 car map into my Eu since i'm not there yet, but it would be nice to learn from the great steps they have made. maybe to compare a few of my maps to theirs and work my way up.


I'm sure in a few mths i will have the EU down cold, but i know many people who are to afraid to even get started...we should do what we can to give them wings to learn ( and fail).


/ sappy rant.

 

I'm with you man. What can be shared, should be shared.

 

I have a snap shot of the setting parameters and the MAF conditioning table on of my EB from when i was on 9psi, ready to go lol

 

Sooner or later I'm going to take the plunge with the EU, being a computer consultant for well over 20 years now, ( I hate to say but that's the truth ) I'm not that stress to have to deal with the EU, but since I have never did a set-up before I'm a newbee in that aspect. If I can start with let say a minimal set-up used by another similar max that run, start, idle correctly and run, I mean that would certainly encourage other to mod their max. If I can achieve that first, them I'll spend some time in a dyno shop and fine tune my own set-up and share it with you guys later. I think we could possibly achieve incredible result if we all understand the benefit of sharing at least the basic of our finding.

 

so like i said i am still playing with the Eu and getting my legs under me with it. I am going to use my jobs shop to get 3-5 gear passes done later in the week and i will upload those as well.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UG67V6EM


thats a look of what i am doing so far. if you want to try it out go ahead, or if you have any ideas let me know

its on a 3.5 motor, with 3.0 fuel pressure and dek fuel setup

 

you can upload it or paste it here if you wish. i'm just gonna ***** out megaupload to host these for me

 

If you wish, I have allowed for members of VQpower.com to upload their Maps

http://www.vqpower.com/v2/infusions/...ad.php?catid=1

 

here is kevlos timing map. i just learned something from his map in the 2 secs i got to look at it.

 

Very good man, thanks.

Maybe people can put up their final and finished running maps and then we can get them to vqpower.com for others to view in the future.

so its like you can d/l the write up to do it and some base setups from the same place.

 

there is currently a screen shot base map uploaded from 95BLKmax

 

you can upload kevlos and when i get mine worked out later this weekend ill give it to you as well

 

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Maybe because my engine isnt as modded as dandy, but have you guys noticed that the LC function on the EU sounds like ish. When set to an accurate launch rpm? It sounds better higher up, but those rpms will not work for a good 60ft.

 

oh god..I've got alot to learn lol.

 

here in NY I've tuned over 7 EU's on Maximas..

3.0 3.5L N/A SC'd and even a Turbo Max..

Every map has been different.. because injectors are different cams are different even the MAF sensors are different.. so you cannot use a PLUG AND PLAY map... get a wideband OR take your car to a 'tuner' and have him work on it..

albeit, the same the VQ ZERO MAP with all settings zeroed out was used to start tune..

boosted cars need timing retarded.. N/A cars need timing advanced.. rev-limit you need to know what the 'ms' duration of INJ pulse is.. 2-step you need a working VSS..


I never liked "blind" chip tunes (german cars) or using a different map from somebody with their unique settings.. and i've tuned enough to know that every car will behave differently.. (even in the amount of Maf voltage going into the ECU)

i have about 10 EU maps.. but none of them will help you out tho... :shrug:

 

Going to need for these maps to be specific cant just expect people to guess. Let me know the modifications and things the car was running when the map was configured.

 

I am not in need of help, i am getting this working just fine. Slowly but thats due to my limited time. The maps themselves are good for others to learn from. the more info we have located someplace in a database, the better it is for all of us int he long run.

No one is advocating for someone to just take a map and plug it into you eu.

But with the limited variations we have in the majority of vehicles the maps themselves arent so radically different. they will provide a nice tool for someone who hooked up their wb and has similar mods and is looking to mold a similar cars setup to work on their own car.

I have used many of those blind flashes and what not on about 5 vw's and ive spent one day in maryland with the unitronic guys watching them do what they do and little changes to a map can and will get it to work on many different like vehicles ( same injectors, motor, etc). But you need to make adjustments to that to get it to work.


And we arent civics or some other model that has an unlimited combo of mods to run. Our cam options ( that people actually put into their cars is like one of 3), and the injectors that people use arent much bigger then 550 or so. and those bigger then that more power to them. but a guy with 370's, a super charger and a EU installed a certain way can be of big help to someone that followed his mod path. it wont be fully plug and play but it can be a big help for people to LEARN from.

so to wrap up. You ( or anyone) isnt uploading maps for people to be using stupidly. Its more of a tool to help people get started faster then if they were to start with a zero's out blank map. But that is up to you if you want to share them or not.

and vadim, i know you get called often for random questions that you tell people to look up your header thread or someones 3.5 swap thread. wouldnt it make your life a bit easier if someone called you about a tunning issue and you said for him/her to take a look at a similar cars tune and get an idea from it? that might save you alot of pms/texts/etc

 

N/A 3.5 swaps are pretty similar I'd say besides some specific bolt ons. How many 3.5 swap guys are running a stock motor (stock injectors, etc) and stock bolt ons? I'd guess a good portion of the swappers have mild/similar set-ups.

 

One thing i did notice is that I might start tuning the car using throttle % as opposed to maf voltage and see how that goes.

 

I can upload my map but the thing is I have 3" maf, 290cc injectors, ect... If I find my old maps I will upload them(pre 3" maf).

 

you should just upload what ever you feel like. then people can pick and choose which ones they want to look at based upon the mods the creator has.


so if you have a twin turbo rwd maxima or a bone stock maxima. just post them up at vqpower, that way we are able to grown a small collection of maps.

I have a 3.5 with head work but ill put my map up in case someone might want to take a look at it.

 

this is a good idea.......putting in an EU without a base map to go with will have you trying to figure alot of things out.

I myself had a problem recently, I installed revup injectors and they caused my car to stall at lights when I let off the gas........I had to take away fuel at low RPMs to cure that problem. I know for a fact someone with an EU and big injectors would have problems being a novice to tuning it. If they had a base map at least they could get the car running. It would still have to go for a tune IMO, weather it be a street tune or on the dyno it will need a tune regardless, however this is a great idea to have maps for basic mods.

 

are people using the EU to tune their partial throttle driving as well in n/a applications? I'm just trying to get a grasp for what extent people are tweaking things or capable of tweaking things with the EU.

 

I was wondering the same thing. I noticed on kevlos map that he has advanced timing under partial throttle. I would like to know if people with 3.5 swapped 4th gens are advancing timing under partial throttle as well as how much timing is being advanced.

 

i am advancing timing all over the board. minor changes at partial and a good deal up around full throttle. ( or atleast where wot would normally be)

 

Do you have your map uploaded anywhere? I would like to take a look and see what you've done. Also what kind of mods do you have.

 

DEK injectors
01 maxima 5 speed
03 3.5 maxima motor
cams drilled with JWT spacers
JWT VQ35 valve springs
ARP rod bolts
SSIM
pathfinder TB

those are my motor stuff, i also have an under drive pulley, a lightened flywheel and a intake. y pipe, hi flow cat and cat back as well.

my map is still under contruction since i am slowly driving it to get it tuned due to my lack of time. i should have a more complete one later in the week. But feel free to take a look

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TI30R0Q7