If I get a good set of components for my 99 Maxima should I bother with getting speakers for rear fill? Any suggestions on good components that fit easily with little to no mods? Thanks

 

I have last gen Polk Dx components. The 6.5's fit perfectly into the stock openings. As for the tweeters, I had to drill into the door pannel. I left the rear speakers stock, and they work fine as rear fill. You'll find that alot of people do that.

 

i have 6x9's set as mid/bass fill. Sounds 100x better than not having anything!

Ant

 

I use a pair of 6.5 coaxials for my rear fill. stock sounded ok at low levels but these handle more power so its 10x better overall.

 

If I do decide do go with no rear fill here's what I would do, please offer your opinions and help me choose a good amp/component setup. I will be running an Infinity Perfect 12.1 dvc sub in a tight box getting 400 rms at 2 ohm from a Kicker 400.1 amp.

Amps (opinions on any other amps that are the same quality but cheaper? sub amp and component amp) -
Either Kicker 400.2 (100 rms)
or Kicker 500.2 (125 rms)

Components options (which fit easily, which don't?) -
Diamond Audio M6
Focal Polyglass
Crystal cs60s

 

I say no and here is why...At a concert do you hear sound from behind you???? NO! Then why put it in a car?

But really it's a personal thing, not a "need" thing. If you want it get it, if not don't. Personally I think it's a waste.

 

YES, YOU DO. What about the sound that bounces off the rear walls of the concert hall?? Off the floor??? Off the ceiling??? The only way that you could possibly hear sound from only one direction is if you and the singer were in a sound deadened room and they were singing right to you a few feet away. Trust me, that would sound a lot different than a concert hall.

What's right is what your ear tells you....not other people.

 

First get off my nuts you dumbass.


2nd, yes it does bounce off of many things, but you can not localize it, at least if it's a good concert hall...Do you hear the crash of the cymbols coming from behind to the front no...You hear it coming at you.

 

1) Sorry j*ackass
2) Actually, you hear the every sound coming from every direction. Perhaps not as full force, but you hear it. Do this, have someone talk to you and cup your hands infront of your ears to block a sound in front of you...you'll still here them.

In anycase, I think people should do what ever the hell they want. Even if it means a three 1000 Watt amp with 3 W7s...and just the stock mids and tweets

 

fokk yu the image of a singer does not reflect as coming fromt behind you...while sound reflects off of surfaces and absorbed by others, if you turn your back to the singer you will not hear it now from your front but your now rear, meanign the stage. So hense forth the sound is heard by your ears as in front of you even though sound comes from many directions. Think of it like this, if i face the tv with stock system, it come from the tv, if i put my back to it, i do not here it derived from the wall.

 

i was at a concert at a college, and yeah, u could hear sound coming from the rear, but it was so freakin annoying cause the sound was traveling from the stage to the back wall, reflecting, and coming to your ears, it was a second long echo that drove me nuts...

however, i do like have sound all around me...if i move the fade to only the front speakers, i feel like i am just wanted more...to me unless u wanna put down the money or effort to make a great front soundstage like sum of these folk then just go w/ some rear fill...im not a pro and i dont plan on being that way at my age, its like maxn out said in another thread, its up 2 what u like...i feel like the car is more full of sound w/ 4 speakers....just my opinion...

 

Ok thanks for the feedback guys. I never heard a system with nice components up front and nothing for rear fill so I wanted some opinions. Would the stock speakers run well off an Alpine 7892 HU with the fader set low in the rear? Any opinions on the equipment I posted above?

 

IMO, the Kicker amps are a bit overpriced. You can get other amps such as US Acoustics with similar power ratings and quality for much less. I have also heard very good things about Monitor-1 amps such as this one from Ampman.

All three components you listed are very good. (Glad to see someone besides me likes Crystal in this forum.) I'd give the edge to the DA's but they also have a higher price. I also like the CDT Classic and HD lines for that price range.

Finally just for the record (not trying to get in a name calling arguement), I prefer to have properly tuned rear fill speakers as opposed to no rear fill. In no way do I like overbearing rear speakers, but like to use them as the name implies for "fill." I like to power my fronts and sub with an external amp, and then let my head unit take care of the rear. All of those companies listed make good candidates for rear fill. (DA 361i, Focal PF 165HC, Crystal Csx615, CDT CL-6X).

Brett

 

Great post, thanks much

 

Those U.S. Acoustic amps are looking nice, alot cheaper! How's the SQ compare to the Kicker amps? How much power should I give the Infinity Perfect 12.1d DVC sub? 375@2ohm or 600@2ohm?

 

Hey mretrum,

Are you going to have more than one passenger? If so, rear fill is okay. As far as wattage@ohms, I don't really know, but as long as you are going for SQ and not SPL, then as long as you don't drown the front and (if you want them) rear speakers, I don't think it would matter.

 

Get the Alpine 7894 Head Unit. This thing can be programmed for timing corrections, which would allow you to time when sounds from front L/R and rear L/R hit, so that you can avoid that echo-y effect that one guy was talking about. It would create (and does, I have it) an ambiance of enveloping sound, as opposed to targeted noise from one side of the car vs. another.

Go to the Alpine website and check it out.

Hope this solves some of the b!tching.

Mike

 

Now now, don't get your panties in a twist! I'm just playing

Forgetting about the rear fill (because I'm not going to have an online argument over this), I think that we both have our opinions on sound. What sounds good to me isn't gonna necessarily sound good to you or anyone else. I personally like music coming from all directions. I also like my music to be bass heavy. Most guitars can't reproduce a note that two 12" subs can

I looked at your webpage and am very impressed by the install on your Max. Did you do that yourself?

 

I was using my friends Pioneer that you could put the type of car in the radio (sedan, minivan, SUV, etc.). I think it did the same thing. Pretty cool.

 

I'm not talking about what my sound good to one person or another, I'm talking about a traditional music concert and where the sound comes from.

That install does not exist anymore it was ripped out and dedone.

 

This is an excerpt from the Onkyo TX-DS777 manual (my current Home Theater Receiver ). It kinda illustrates what I'm talking about.

 

Have you ever been to a live musical concert...Not a rock concert, but Jazz, Orcestrail or a good Mtv unplugged thing for that matter.

If you sit say 3rd row center, you should be able to localize where certain instraments are coming from, how much you can fixate them depends on your hearing. If you turn you head to the rear you will not localize them to the rear...That sound the reflects off the wall should not in a good enviroment take away from the intensity of the sound in front of you, but instead give you that overall warm effect. This has to do with wave intensity.

Yes you can make things sound however you'd like and sound great to you and have someone else hate it, but thats not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking from the point of live non rock concerts in a good enviroment. To many people drop 100,000 grand on home audio and think that it's realilistic, it may sound better than real, but it's not real. To many people use their home system as a reference point, while it is done and can be done, it is not the same as sitting in a concert hall at all.

Also in a concet hall you will problaby see things like long boards wraped in carpet along the walls, this is to absorb the sound wave so as to NOT get an echoing affect. If you look up there are many designs of angles on the ceiling to reflect the sound at you in a certain manor.

 

Ok, well let me say that I don't like "real" I like better than real. "Real" rarely vibrates your chest when you listen to it. I understand your argument however I was just pointing out that sound waves come from multiple directions.