capacitator?
04-06-2003, 07:10 PM
#2
capacitator ??? LOL hahahaha
Dude... its a capacitor... and there were a number of dicussion as to if ppl need one or not.
IMHO its up to you and whether you have the $ to waste on one. If I were you I would get an extra battery (yellow or red tops) and thats all.
Dude... its a capacitor... and there were a number of dicussion as to if ppl need one or not.
IMHO its up to you and whether you have the $ to waste on one. If I were you I would get an extra battery (yellow or red tops) and thats all.
04-07-2003, 07:16 PM
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If i felt like finding that thread where 90% of ppl agreed that a cap is not really the solution to the dimming problems. Why not get the battery instead ? I mean yea caps look good... are easy to mount etc etc... but do some research on the net and see the benefits of having the battery.
04-08-2003, 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by crazyravr
If i felt like finding that thread where 90% of ppl agreed that a cap is not really the solution to the dimming problems. Why not get the battery instead ? I mean yea caps look good... are easy to mount etc etc... but do some research on the net and see the benefits of having the battery.
If i felt like finding that thread where 90% of ppl agreed that a cap is not really the solution to the dimming problems. Why not get the battery instead ? I mean yea caps look good... are easy to mount etc etc... but do some research on the net and see the benefits of having the battery.
ok add a second battery for what? are u telling us that a battery can instantaneously deliver the current needed for a bass peak? the battery cannot create current fast enough, nor could it discharge a high current instantaneously. a cap will help the situation becuase it charges almost instantaneously, and discharges at that same rate. another natural feature of a capacitor is its ability to smooth out the AC ripple in the DC voltage that is caused by the alternators voltage regulators and output diodes. so tell me why a capacitor sucks. oh one more thing, i would much rather buy a higher output alternator than a second battery, as the alternator supplies nearly all of the current to the electrical system while the car is running. all the battery does during normal operation is smooth out current, and charge the battery so it can start the car.
04-08-2003, 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by friendhasmax
ok add a second battery for what? are u telling us that a battery can instantaneously deliver the current needed for a bass peak? the battery cannot create current fast enough, nor could it discharge a high current instantaneously. a cap will help the situation becuase it charges almost instantaneously, and discharges at that same rate. another natural feature of a capacitor is its ability to smooth out the AC ripple in the DC voltage that is caused by the alternators voltage regulators and output diodes. so tell me why a capacitor sucks. oh one more thing, i would much rather buy a higher output alternator than a second battery, as the alternator supplies nearly all of the current to the electrical system while the car is running. all the battery does during normal operation is smooth out current, and charge the battery so it can start the car.
ok add a second battery for what? are u telling us that a battery can instantaneously deliver the current needed for a bass peak? the battery cannot create current fast enough, nor could it discharge a high current instantaneously. a cap will help the situation becuase it charges almost instantaneously, and discharges at that same rate. another natural feature of a capacitor is its ability to smooth out the AC ripple in the DC voltage that is caused by the alternators voltage regulators and output diodes. so tell me why a capacitor sucks. oh one more thing, i would much rather buy a higher output alternator than a second battery, as the alternator supplies nearly all of the current to the electrical system while the car is running. all the battery does during normal operation is smooth out current, and charge the battery so it can start the car.
04-08-2003, 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by crazyravr
Agree with you about the alternator part. That will be the best (but the most $ solution.. no?), and I didnt say the caps suck... all I said was there are other ways of taking care of dimming lights.
Agree with you about the alternator part. That will be the best (but the most $ solution.. no?), and I didnt say the caps suck... all I said was there are other ways of taking care of dimming lights.
very little benefits to adding second battery....cap will solve problem if properly installed. another thing is u cant always find a cheap way out of things when solving electrical problems. did u know that if u tax ur current alternator at 120% its rated output capacity that u will destroy its diodes? best thing to do is change alternator, its not cheap, but its going to solve the problems. and a one farad cap is what 200 bucks? thats not cheap either
04-09-2003, 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by GaMax97GLE
What is the proper way to install a double capacitor system? I custom made brackets to connect the + and - together and have the + and - wires going to and from only one of the caps.
What is the proper way to install a double capacitor system? I custom made brackets to connect the + and - together and have the + and - wires going to and from only one of the caps.
proper way to hook up 2 caps together is the following: they must be connected in parallel. that is the 2 negative posts get grounded seperately to the chassis (u will have 2 grounds), and the positives get connected together. if u hook it up in series u will have big problems. hooked up in series is positve to negative. the thing with series caps is that the voltage gets split in half, so if ur getting 14 volts in the system, each cap will only see 7 volts a piece. make sure the wireing is parallel
04-09-2003, 08:48 PM
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Anybody wanna post a link to a good cap to get off ebay thats not too expensive, or an online store? How much is one usually? I have seen one at best buy for 80$. Would this suffice. I think its a 1 farad capacitor made by rockford fosgate, and I think I saw a stinger one at a local place as well. I am going to be running a 1200 watt amp, to a 1200 watt sub, one 150 watt amp to components, an lcd, alpine 7894 hu, a dvd player (not in dash) , and maybe a ps2. I am assuming I will need a cap no matter what because with the 1200 watt amp alone I think that would be using most of the juice from my battery? Anyone care to help me out.
04-10-2003, 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by friendhasmax
proper way to hook up 2 caps together is the following: they must be connected in parallel. that is the 2 negative posts get grounded seperately to the chassis (u will have 2 grounds), and the positives get connected together. if u hook it up in series u will have big problems. hooked up in series is positve to negative. the thing with series caps is that the voltage gets split in half, so if ur getting 14 volts in the system, each cap will only see 7 volts a piece. make sure the wireing is parallel
proper way to hook up 2 caps together is the following: they must be connected in parallel. that is the 2 negative posts get grounded seperately to the chassis (u will have 2 grounds), and the positives get connected together. if u hook it up in series u will have big problems. hooked up in series is positve to negative. the thing with series caps is that the voltage gets split in half, so if ur getting 14 volts in the system, each cap will only see 7 volts a piece. make sure the wireing is parallel
04-10-2003, 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by GaMax97GLE
Ok, I should have been more clear. I meant the + and + are connected and the - and - are connected by brackets. But I am only using 1 ground (goes from amp to cap to chassis).
Ok, I should have been more clear. I meant the + and + are connected and the - and - are connected by brackets. But I am only using 1 ground (goes from amp to cap to chassis).
04-11-2003, 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by friendhasmax
then that is the correct setup dude. bars connect neg terminals, and bars connect positive terminals. one neg terminal gets grounded, the other gets positive from the battery and also goes to the amp
then that is the correct setup dude. bars connect neg terminals, and bars connect positive terminals. one neg terminal gets grounded, the other gets positive from the battery and also goes to the amp
04-11-2003, 10:55 AM
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...I meant the + and + are connected and the - and - are connected by brackets. But I am only using 1 ground (goes from amp to cap to chassis).
As far as grounding to one source vs. many sources:
Depending on the amount of draw (I won't say power here), one ground may not be sufficient enough to carry the full load. That is why some people suggest using seperate grounds. However, others will argue that if you can find a "good" ground, you should ground all your equipment there in order to avoid "ground loops" and other "noise" in your system.
04-11-2003, 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by studman
Why are you grounding the amp to cap (and then on to the ground)? Ground the amp directly to the car's ground. Ground the cap(s) directly to the car's ground. Only the positive wires from the battery and amps should meet at the cap's + terminal. The grounds should meet on the car's ground, not at the cap's - terminal.
As far as grounding to one source vs. many sources:
Depending on the amount of draw (I won't say power here), one ground may not be sufficient enough to carry the full load. That is why some people suggest using seperate grounds. However, others will argue that if you can find a "good" ground, you should ground all your equipment there in order to avoid "ground loops" and other "noise" in your system.
Why are you grounding the amp to cap (and then on to the ground)? Ground the amp directly to the car's ground. Ground the cap(s) directly to the car's ground. Only the positive wires from the battery and amps should meet at the cap's + terminal. The grounds should meet on the car's ground, not at the cap's - terminal.
As far as grounding to one source vs. many sources:
Depending on the amount of draw (I won't say power here), one ground may not be sufficient enough to carry the full load. That is why some people suggest using seperate grounds. However, others will argue that if you can find a "good" ground, you should ground all your equipment there in order to avoid "ground loops" and other "noise" in your system.
04-11-2003, 12:35 PM
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What would be the difference between grounding the amp through the cap or not?
2) One less spot for trouble to be introduced
3) Load Balancing
Load balancing basically refers to the ground not being able to handle the full load. Granted the cap itself doesn't require much of a load at all, but it's possible to have the ground weak enough that you lose some power because of the ground not being able to sustain the load. I had this happen to me when I was installing a relay for an alarm. The ground I had chosen was good, but not able to sustain enough load to operate the relay that I needed. So I had to move the relay's ground to another location.
It would be grounded either way, and ultimitely grounded at the same "spot".
I could try to ground the amp not through the cap and see how that goes.
04-12-2003, 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by friendhasmax
ok add a second battery for what? are u telling us that a battery can instantaneously deliver the current needed for a bass peak? the battery cannot create current fast enough, nor could it discharge a high current instantaneously. a cap will help the situation becuase it charges almost instantaneously, and discharges at that same rate. another natural feature of a capacitor is its ability to smooth out the AC ripple in the DC voltage that is caused by the alternators voltage regulators and output diodes. so tell me why a capacitor sucks. oh one more thing, i would much rather buy a higher output alternator than a second battery, as the alternator supplies nearly all of the current to the electrical system while the car is running. all the battery does during normal operation is smooth out current, and charge the battery so it can start the car.
ok add a second battery for what? are u telling us that a battery can instantaneously deliver the current needed for a bass peak? the battery cannot create current fast enough, nor could it discharge a high current instantaneously. a cap will help the situation becuase it charges almost instantaneously, and discharges at that same rate. another natural feature of a capacitor is its ability to smooth out the AC ripple in the DC voltage that is caused by the alternators voltage regulators and output diodes. so tell me why a capacitor sucks. oh one more thing, i would much rather buy a higher output alternator than a second battery, as the alternator supplies nearly all of the current to the electrical system while the car is running. all the battery does during normal operation is smooth out current, and charge the battery so it can start the car.
I have run every setup mentioned here: multiple batteries, bigger alternator, cap, bank of caps....the best setup I found was with a larger alternator and a cap or two. True I was running a substantial amount of amperage (95 amps at the higher volumes) but for smaller setups, a cap is much better than another battery. All another battery is going to do is give you more playing time with the car turned off and help you possibly kill the alternator faster. That's it. You can't run any more power out of the amps or make your music sound cleaner.
04-12-2003, 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by DR0832
Anybody wanna post a link to a good cap to get off ebay thats not too expensive, or an online store? How much is one usually? I have seen one at best buy for 80$.
Anybody wanna post a link to a good cap to get off ebay thats not too expensive, or an online store? How much is one usually? I have seen one at best buy for 80$.
04-17-2003, 12:00 PM
#23
Originally posted by studman
3) Load Balancing
Load balancing basically refers to the ground not being able to handle the full load. Granted the cap itself doesn't require much of a load at all, but it's possible to have the ground weak enough that you lose some power because of the ground not being able to sustain the load. I had this happen to me when I was installing a relay for an alarm. The ground I had chosen was good, but not able to sustain enough load to operate the relay that I needed. So I had to move the relay's ground to another location.
3) Load Balancing
Load balancing basically refers to the ground not being able to handle the full load. Granted the cap itself doesn't require much of a load at all, but it's possible to have the ground weak enough that you lose some power because of the ground not being able to sustain the load. I had this happen to me when I was installing a relay for an alarm. The ground I had chosen was good, but not able to sustain enough load to operate the relay that I needed. So I had to move the relay's ground to another location.
04-19-2003, 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by crazyravr
capacitator ??? LOL hahahaha
Dude... its a capacitor... and there were a number of dicussion as to if ppl need one or not.
IMHO its up to you and whether you have the $ to waste on one. If I were you I would get an extra battery (yellow or red tops) and thats all.
capacitator ??? LOL hahahaha
Dude... its a capacitor... and there were a number of dicussion as to if ppl need one or not.
IMHO its up to you and whether you have the $ to waste on one. If I were you I would get an extra battery (yellow or red tops) and thats all.
04-19-2003, 09:08 PM
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www.purecaraudio.com
has a nice lightning audio cap with monitor for sale. Its one of the hot buys on the homepage. I am thinking about getting it, but i may want to wait for the newer blue one with the radioactive sign on the newer one. see link below:
www.lightningaudio.com
has a nice lightning audio cap with monitor for sale. Its one of the hot buys on the homepage. I am thinking about getting it, but i may want to wait for the newer blue one with the radioactive sign on the newer one. see link below:
www.lightningaudio.com
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