Indecisive311

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I'm thinking about getting the type r 3-ways to replace my front speakers. Does anyone know where I can get kick panels to put the 2nd speaker?

thanks - the chad

jmax

Yeah, www.fiberlay.com or www.fiberglast.com

Or for cheaper smelly poly resin go to wall mart and get some bondo resin. Don't forget the glass. And pick up a small piece of scrap wood for the baffles from Lowes or Home Depot.

max'n out

If you wait a few months, I'm going to be selling mine.

chinaonnitrous1

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Hey Mr. Jayson, id love to buy thoes kicks from you. They look like theyre wrapped in vynl...and hold a 6.5"? If you could pm me with about how much your looking to get. Im just being lazy. I have all the glass and bondo and tools here..but the motivation is lost.

maximamaybe

Here is the ones from Q-Logic. These are available on www.sounddomain.com.

AudioAltima

On the Q-Logic ones, the tweeter REALLY doesnt look like its aimed right. For the money you pay for them, I'd say forget it. Also, unless you going for an ALL out SQ car, you dont need the tweeters down low... (single point source)... for a daily driver I would recommend mounting the tweeters higher up, it's much easier to tune, and to listen too.

Pearl96Max

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Uhhhh guys...he has a 95 and no one makes them for a 4th gen. So Jayson I dont think yours will fit either...

--Don

max'n out

My bad He has a 5th gen in his sig.

Pearl96Max

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O didnt even see that, damn AOhelL, no pics are coming up for me.

--Don

Tony Fernandes

The aim of the tweeter does look a little "off", but I had Q-Logic kicks in my Explorer and they were aimed the same way. Crossfired across the front of the dash towards your knees. The imaging was excellent...contrary to what you might think. This was with 3-ways. The mids and tweets were in the kicks and 8s low in the doors. I wouldn't recommend Q-Logics if you plan on using them for low frequencies, unless you plan on custom-sealing them, in which case you might as well build your own.

Tony

Indecisive311

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Oh i didn't know Q-Logic makes one for our car. Do you think that since they are only available for 2000 and up that it would possibly still fit with a little modification. I would probably end up filling in or cutting out the tweeter hole anyway.

Thanks - Chad

jmax

The tweeter is the most important driver in that kick for imaging. About 60/40 - tweeter / mid for imageing. If you cut it out you may as well not have kicks.

Tony Fernandes

Yeah, ditto. 311...why would you leave the tweets out?

tony

Indecisive311

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Well I thought I would just put them in the factory location. Right?

jmax

Factory location for lack of a better descriptor sux. You never want the mid and tweet that car apart. Makes a really scewed soundstage. If you don't care about the soundstage don't spend the money on kicks.

max'n out

YOu know as well as I thats not always true. Theres plenty of guys that run setups with speakers further apart that traditional and have made it work with tuning. With that said if he dont do any tuning then yeah I say in the kick.

jmax

No, I'd be willing to put money on the fact that most people with good ears can tell how far apart the mid and tweet are when you try the up high tweets and mids down low technique. Just because your ears can't tell doesn't mean that mine can't. And it's my ears that I use to judge sound quality. And don't forget that this can't be corrected with time alignment because of the basic differences in human dimensions. Unless you do something to make the car unstreetworthy like Alpine and place the only front seat in the middle you can't even get close.

max'n out

No but it can be helped with crossover slopes...Yes it's easy to tell when guys run steep slopes that dont' work at all. Theres plenty of people now running it that are fully capable of blending it together...And I think it's pretty ****ty you would dare try to imply I can't hear or tell differences when you don't know me. Dont' know how my car sounds, and have given up on the comp scene all together.

With the work that goes into cars today theres endless setups that where once thought to not work that are now working very well. But like I said it takes work.

Tony Fernandes

I think good advice for most listeners under most circumstances is to mount mids/tweets together so they work as a team, rather than separate speakers. I'm not saying that a system can't sound good otherwise, but if you truly can tell the difference and have an "ear" for these sorts of things, then I don't think you will be happy with mids down low and tweets up high. Certainly it would be a waste to buy kick panels and not use the tweeter mounts....you might as well keep the mids in the doors. Either use the kicks and mount both speakers in them, or don't use them at all.

I myself prefer having individual speakers in component sets installed in relative closeness to one another...I've tried other ways over the years and consistenly get poorer results.

Tony

max'n out

One thing I'd like to toss in, is that seperates are made with the idea of being just that seperates...And coax are ment to work close together hence it's a coax. Todays seperates are designed with the idea that they will work way off axis.

jmax

Actually the point behind seperates is flexibility in where the seperate drivers may be mounted and the ability to use higher quality crossover components. Go out to any car with the mids down low and the tweets up high and listen to the music. There is a fairly distinct layering of the high and low notes. I think the more important thing when attempting a set up of this nature is to focus on getting the tweeter crossover correct in order to keep from having a stage that is only as wide as the dash or in some cases not even as wide as the dash.