Hey a little torn between, please help. What do u guys think i should get? My excelon dualmag components suck

 

cdt over the kappas all day.

 

Well, to be within the guidelines of your poll, ahhhhhhemmmmmmm since slickrick didnt read, I say JL. I have a friend who has a 280Z, and he decided to go with the JL components, I dont know which ones, but if they are good enough for him, since he is insanely, details picky, it is good for most. I know the kappas are popular among many max owners on here, because they are cheap, but personally I didnt like their sound. They were too tinny, and didnt give much midbass. All in all, it all depends on your tastes, go to a car audio shop and try em out.

 

diversity is good my friend.....even in car audio. thats the reason why i dont like kappas... too metallic sounding.

 

Those two arnt bad, but for components...try something like CDT, Focal Utopias are also bad @ss but too "bright" for some peoples taste. BostonPro series are also sick. DiamondAudio Hex series S600's... cant think...too late...

 

lol, i would go with bostons, but thats a little outa the price range, same with the diamonds. I tried both speakers out at the good guys and the JL sounded more metallic to me. It had better highs, but the infinitis had more mids to me.

John, what do you mean by "bright"?
How would you explain CDTs or focals sound? No car audio shop around me caries those brands.

 

diamonds ......

 

Yeah I know what you mean, I got the Bostons & they are anything but cheap but I couldnt pass up a good deal. I got my JL300.4 along with two sets of BostonPro6.5's for like 6 bills. I ended up only installing one set though & used the rally series coaxils in the rear (also had two sets of those ) with the 300.4 it can get deafning loud inside with just the mids & highs...I think I like it
As for explaining "bright" maybe I should have used the word "metallic"
Here is the one thing that makes a big diff when it comes to components, the type of tweeter being used. In out cars id say get "off-axis" tweeters (titanium dome, aluminum dome) those sound best when point away from you. The sound reflects off another surface (like the windsheild ect...) and directed back at you but if pointed directly at you its going to sound way too metallic for alot of people. On-axis (silk-dome) sounds best when pointed directly at you, so on thing to think about is how those JL's/Kappas were mounted, & what kind of tweeters and all this complicated crap.
Both sets should be aluminum dome, so I guess its just a matter of which one is better... if the kappas sound like they have more mids then go with those & get some JL tweeters

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Btw-Check these two places out, they are local & their prices are pretty damn good. It shouldnt be too far a drive.

http://www.woofersetc.com
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/default.aspx

Hmm...I just thought of something, if you get the kappas & go with the JL tweeters, might as well get the bostons man. Price will be pretty much the same
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...7&1=238&3=1226

 

omfg! that is one expensive tweet!!
nice explanation, i always thought it sounded better poined at you. My tweeters are cut into door panel and pointed at me. I wish i could close up that hole and put them in the pillar or a better place.
I think im gonna be looking at the JLs xr, Diamonds s600, or the boston pros. Im not really into the mids at all so the kapaas probably arent my cup of tea.

My buddy keeps stressing to me the bostons are some of the best speakers, i think ill wait for a deal. There are some used ones always on ebay for cheap. But i just dont know about preowened components...

 

If you think those are expensive...
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...7&1=361&3=1938
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...9&1=242&3=1748
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...0&1=273&3=1766
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...0&1=294&3=1746
Most are just complete overkill.

Bostons are great, while we were tuning & adjusting the gains we had it cranked and you could hear them clearly a few hundred ft down the road. To my surprise I found out that was just the rear speaker. Once we hooked up the front, it was just too much. If you play some jazz music just to hear what they can do, you'd be shocked at how clear they are at stupid loud volumes. My headunits volume can go up to 80 (Eclipse CD8443, 8v pre-outs ) and around low 50's its kinda too much inside the car.
Here is the real shocker about them, like I said its being powered but the 300.4 thats just 75w/rms to each corner but the Pro's can take upward to 400w/rms, I cant imagine how they would sound with 150rms each corner yet alone 400

I knew you had some custom stuff done, but if the tweeter is pointed directly at you, then its on axis. Get a silk-dome tweeter. Anything thats aluminum dome/titanium dome will be too metallic sounding. In this case I say go with the Diamond Audio's S600's with the silk dome tweeters.
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...6&1=267&3=1168
What are you powering your components with anyway? A single 300.4 or two 300.2's? Either way your still in the power range of the s600's w/o over stressing them. Considering those are silk dome, I have no doubt you love the way they sound.
Bostons are great, but not for on axis setups. Unless you feel like pointing the tweeters toward the center of the windsheild, my vote goes the s600.

 

They are both great speakers, you can't really go wrong IMO

 

Tweeter placement relative to the mid can also affect how "bright" they sound. Has to do with which signal gets to the ears first, tweeter or mid.

 

Thats why its best to mount them as close as possible to the speakers. Oh btw does any1 know what the proper time alignment settings are

 

You should have just bought a regualar head unit... You'll never figure that thing out that you bought.

 

I second everything you say there


The JL XR components are some of the best, you won't be unhappy with them.

 

Actually, its not too bad. Ive figured out how to work most every feature. I just dont know what the settings should be on the advanced things like the time alignment thing Other then that I figured out and easy say to mess with the bass, treble, ect...
The damn thing has a Pro mode were everything is in detail & and idiot proof mode were, well any1 could figure it out. Just takes a week or two.

 

There are too many variables to have a single best setting. Crossover slope, distance from tweeters to driver, distance from mid to driver, if the primary wavefront is reflected or direct, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

 

JL TR's. I have heard them with a nice amp(AlpineMRV300) and I couldn't believe how realistic they were.

 

The JL TR series is their lowest end. Definately go with the XR series. I have the XR650 component set up front and it they sounds great off my Eclipse 4 channel amp.

 

I'd go JL's over Kappas any day....I've owned Kappas on the past...
wasn't too fond of the sound either for the $$$ there are better components out there..

 

I currently have Infinity Perfect 6.1's up front, getting about 140rms each. I dont like them, no midbass. I have the crossovers set at the lowest tweeter setting, and they dont sound too bad.

I'm prob gonna get some JL XR's this spring. 2 of my friends have them, and they sound excellent.

 

The JL's are good, no question about that. Honestly though, id stick to the Diamond S600s that you originally posted
Just make sure that if you get a titanium/aluminum dome tweeter, have it aimed toward the center of the windsheild.
If you get a silk dome tweeter, aim the tweeters facing you.
Trust me on this one

 

LOL

I want some diamonds, but they are too expensive!

 

DEI vipers.

 

Then wait Go with the Daimonds. Im one of the guys that cant stand getting anything but the best a specific brand has to offer. So the words "too expensive" means its just worth the wait. Besides, they arnt too expensive...

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=11755
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.as...6&1=267&3=1168

Online car stereo's got free shipping last I checked

Take your time man, do it right.

 

jl VR650-CSi. they sound awesome! go have a listen for yourself. they are some of the cleanest speakers i have heard in their price range. i'm ordering myself a pair too.