everyone obviously has biased opinions on things but i have to agree with alpine being good, but overpriced for what you get. eclipse i think has tbe best build quality/ important features for sq, but imo im not a fan of most of the looks (speaking in terms of strictly h/u's). this is where pioneer comes in; not as good as eclipse for sq, but has the bling bling and ease of use that i like.

 

I agree cosmetically Eclipse isnt the most pleasing, but neither is the Nak decks or the Denons, Im sure ya wouldnt turn em down though right? Its all about Function over Form Junior

 

or... if you are a young kid its all about form over function because people dont know car audio...until they come into the org audio room. and im Rich III (no joke) denon makes the RF decks right?

 

Yes they make some of them.

Eh I like Junior better than III, how the h3ll do I call somebody 3 or 3rd ?

 

i wish i was Rich jr... id have enough $ for those 10k sets of components.

 

Then tell your dad to get em for ya

 

I have the same name as my dad who has the same name as my grandfather, so I guess I am also a III .

 

^^^ nice! but is your whole name exactly the same?

- if my dad knew i had a tv in my car he'd flip. thankfully i went with a flip out tv so he cant see it. he was in my car over SB and was like did you get a new radio, what brand is it? im like oh basic pioneer...even though it says DVD on the front. my dads cool as hell thought about audio, he puts cd changers and new speakers in all his cars. only old school people still use cd changers though.

 

damn....my dad would be askin me to take my car places if he knew there was a tv in it. In the old days both the parents would flip when theyd come home and I was in the garage with the entire car apart, now theyre pretty cool about it.

 

I agree with you that Alpine is good, but not where they use to be. I have run their stuff for many years, this is why I think I was pretty fair/unbiased in my comparison between my Alpine HU and Eclipse HU. I actually have an Alpine in my other car.

By the way, the more I listen to the 8454 the more and more I am beggining to like the way it looks .

 

Yes, the whole name is exactly the same , even my sons.

I guess up until Friday I was old school . I was actually thinking of getting the Eclipse CD changer , and pluggin it in with the digital connection. I like the idea of having CD's that are not MP3's ready to go, instead of having to change them out every time. Besides with the Eclipse model I have 8 to choose from instead of the 6 that I had with the Alpine CHA-S624.

 

Very true, I still sell a ton of the changers..

 

Ive got one waiting to go in with the Commander, as soon as I get the CD from Eclipse so I can install the Commander it will me an mp3 changer.

 

alpine all the way!

come on eclipse aint got **** on this

http://www.alpinef1status.com/e/prod.../dvi-9990.html

 

Had to go there with the F1 right? Try comparing it to a 8053,8454,8455...theyre all still compararable at about a QUARTER of the price of the F1

 

Don is absolutely correct. The F1 system is TERRIBLY overpriced.

Tony

 

dam so either way im loosing on this debate.......hhm neeed to think harder

 

Dont hurt yourself...

 

I would hang up the towel now and walk away....

 

2 Da Max I use to say Alpine all the way for HU's but after my last two, the 7998 and 7894 I went looking elsewhere. I've had their stuff since the early 90's too. I think Tony is right, their F1 stuff is way over priced.

Oh and don't hurt yourself .

 

So P.S. All you who like Alpine
Check out the latest Alpine decks, the 9845, 9847, 9851, 9853, 9855.

ALL 2 VOLT PREOUTS EXCEPT THE 9855!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
direct from alpines site

Now Im glad we got rid of Alpine from CC...bb can have them. F*** 2 volt preouts.

-Kevin

 

2volt= uselsss IMO.

 

I didnt wanna be the one to post that...Also let it be known...Alpines "4Volt" HUs were proven to not even provide that.

--Don

 

yep. i think it was like 1.8v at around volume 30ish?

 

is that why my rca preoutputs are low?

 

Yea around there, and look at the resitance...

 

I was glancing through an Australian audio forum and this was something that was being discussed. They were dicussing how the subwoofer output of the 7998 could only make about 1.8 volts. This kind of stuff is not cool at all.

 

^^ Got a link? (Don also)...Id like to prove something to a friend who thinks Alpines decks are around 5V and that theyre underrated.

-Kevin

 

Not one that I can remember as this was several months back. I did a search under problems with 7998 or something along those lines, and one of the links was that audio forum.

I had a typo in my manual that stated it was 5v, but the correction sheet said 4v, but I guess that was wrong as well.

 

what a shame....you got to pay top dollar (9855/F1)for a decent(at best) 4v Alpine deck

 

well the alpine hu i wanted to get and maybe later on is the one 2 steps above mine. that has 3 rca outputs and at 4 volts. they dont make it anymore so my dealer told me 170 for it

 

have you not woken up yet?????????? get away from that dealer right now!

 

I agree 110% theyre just selling you things that they Need to get rid of.

 

well the other alpine hu that has 4volts is around 400 dollars! fawk that, and a good New model alpine hu is close to 250

 

lol member i told you guys about my boy with the acura legend who wanted a system like mine all alpine. i told him lets go the eclipse way, so i told my dealer how about everything eclipse? she told me personally alpine is better and sounds better. She told me the reason my system may not sound as good as an eclipse one is because a technician hasnt tuned my system and its not wired properly. i mean i could understand the wiring part with the rca preoutputs but wtf? how do eclipse subs and amps compare to alpines?

 

Buahahahahahahaha funniest thing I heard today. That should be on my "365 stupidest things said" calender for today. Sound to me like the have a higher quota to make with Alpine than Eclipse.

How does a '79 pinto compared to an '04 Maxima?

 

is the 79 hooked up? lol


i dont know they slowed down with eclipse, they only have one eclipse amp and that was the 3230 i was going to buy back in december. i think they have some eclipse avn but not too sure. i mean i do see some eclipse boxes. they also have 2 eclipse black subs

 

and...2 da max do you really wonder why we pick on you?

BTW send some of your NY dumb@ss friends (like the one whos buying your setup) down here to FL so i can sell them my whole sysem for ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

 

seriously i put about that much into my system i really was thinking of selling it for 1200 but i know noone in their right mind will buy it. but this fawker comes up to me and was like i want my car sounding exactly like that he said hell give me a 1g for everyting. shiet ive never seen a thousand dollars in my life at one time. im installing everyting in for him i dont know if will be free or ill ask him for a 100 theres soo many dam wires

 

O **** YOU are installing it?? Tell me what day, Ill watch the News that night

Kevin...really its not horrible pricing considering he bought it all local and legit. I dont recall the model numbers now, but its not exactly 'overpriced' BTW...you still want that BLA I have sitting here?