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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:13 PM
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PLEASE tell me that the Sirius tuner will work with last year's headunits. I really don't want to sell my 8454.

Unfortunately no, they will not
Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:14 PM
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 12:48 AM
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Yeah but I heard they stopped making the EC9004. Is this correct?
No answer?....Don?
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8v/16v capability is not exessive- its for a reason- to run balanced audio signal- you speak to anyone in Pro audio who has run balanced they'll tell you they'll never go back to unbalanced- its the cleanest way to run
Good to hear its worth it...once my Balanced Line Adapter gets here from Don ill be able to argue this but not speaking from experience I didnt argue cuz I probably woulda sounded like a douche.
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 03:44 AM
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No answer?....Don?

Good to hear its worth it...once my Balanced Line Adapter gets here from Don ill be able to argue this but not speaking from experience I didnt argue cuz I probably woulda sounded like a douche.
Balanced outputs on a head unit or a balanced line drivers send out a higher voltage. These will help reject noise in your system and also allow you to set the gains on your amps lower, thus raising the s/n ratio of your system. Balanced lines and/or high voltage output HUs with or without balanced outputs do not affect SQ. In fact, if you have any modern HU with a decent s/n ratio, the benefits of balanced or high voltage output will most likely be inaudible. If you have problems with excessive noise in your system, then they might help. However, every system I've owned and installed since I really started to get a feeling for what I'm doing has been with 4V or 5V unbalanced ouputs and I've never had a problem with noise. My 8454 has 8V outputs and it's not any quieter or noisier than the others.

If you want balanced, go for it...but unless your system has problems to begin with, which you should try to correct before anything else, you won't hear any difference with balanced outputs. It should also be noted that many amplifiers won't even accept output voltages that high, and the potential for clipping is greater if you don't correctly set the gains in those instances.

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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Fernandes
If you want balanced, go for it...but unless your system has problems to begin with, which you should try to correct before anything else, you won't hear any difference with balanced outputs.
Then why does everyone who has had both in their car swear by balanced and notice a difference between the two?
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by kpr10is
No answer?....Don?

Good to hear its worth it...once my Balanced Line Adapter gets here from Don ill be able to argue this but not speaking from experience I didnt argue cuz I probably woulda sounded like a douche.

Yes I believe they are discontinued.

Once it gets there? you havent received it yet? According to FedEx it was left at your front door on the 15th
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:39 AM
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Then why does everyone who has had both in their car swear by balanced and notice a difference between the two?
Everyone doesn't. People that spend the extra money might like to THINK they hear a difference.

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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:42 AM
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Don, its here!

Tony-no use bickering, im done posting about balanced because its useless. whatever makes you happy is fine with me.


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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kpr10is
Don, its here!

Tony-no use bickering, im done posting about balanced because its useless. whatever makes you happy is fine with me.


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I forgot to add earlier that line drivers/high output voltage is beneficial for very long cable runs.

Kevin...it's not useless! Why do you give up so easily? Try to do some research on your own, just don't take my word or anyone else's word for it. If you or anyone else can tell me why balanced lines or high voltage outputs can affect SQ, please do. I'm sure anyone can measure the differences with instruments, but we're talking about what we as humans can hear with our ears, right?

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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pearl96Max
Sirius was actually supposed to be intorduced for Elipse last, but as usual they never got around to it, so yes this si the first year now.

Nothing wrong with the TDXs, it was a I guess you could say a personal joke to him.

NoOne anywhere runs the Flatlines yet, nothing has ben released and mine have been preordered since December.

Thanks Don, as usual, your a wealth of information.
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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You can't run a truly balanced signal with a two conductor interconnect (RCA). Pro audio gear uses either XLR or phono plugs for a reason. A balanced line requires that you transmit not only your audio signal but also the inverse audio signal AND a common ground. Personally, I wouldn't jump on the whole balanced bandwagon until I see a HU and Amp that have XLR connectors.

Also, if your system is setup properly you shouldn't need any more than 2V preout voltage.
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Fernandes
I forgot to add earlier that line drivers/high output voltage is beneficial for very long cable runs.

Kevin...it's not useless! Why do you give up so easily? Try to do some research on your own, just don't take my word or anyone else's word for it. If you or anyone else can tell me why balanced lines or high voltage outputs can affect SQ, please do. I'm sure anyone can measure the differences with instruments, but we're talking about what we as humans can hear with our ears, right?

Tony
cuz i own him in person/net on a daily basis and he can tell you are not full of ****. sorry kev i had to entertain myself.

edit: on a serious note, when i hear his bla setup ill let you know what i think. i have no clue what to expect though.
Old Mar 18, 2005 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxima Dan
You can't run a truly balanced signal with a two conductor interconnect (RCA). Pro audio gear uses either XLR or phono plugs for a reason. A balanced line requires that you transmit not only your audio signal but also the inverse audio signal AND a common ground. Personally, I wouldn't jump on the whole balanced bandwagon until I see a HU and Amp that have XLR connectors.

Also, if your system is setup properly you shouldn't need any more than 2V preout voltage.

2 volts huh? i guess hes right cuz my system is bumpin i mean it makes sense, i have 2 volt preoutputs and my system is the shiet





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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 Da Max
2 volts huh? i guess hes right cuz my system is bumpin i mean it makes sense, i have 2 volt preoutputs and my system is the shiet





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Blind luck, man.
Old Mar 19, 2005 | 01:12 AM
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I dont give up, yes I havent done enough research to argue which is why I stopped arguing, just that everyone Ive talked to who runs balanced swears by it, and plenty of those people ive talked to about it are ones i trust way above most regarding car audio.
Old Mar 19, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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I just got the AVN 5435, its a great system, I like it alot better than my old Pioneer AVICN1.

IM getting sirius installed this week. need to find a good antenna.
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