Isn't a patent only like $5k? How could a company as big as ID not be able to afford $5k for a patent? How could they afford to mass produce their other subs, if they couldn't mass produce this one? Were they going bankrupt, and JL bailed them out by buying this design, or something?

 

WOW!! These JL Audio threads always get a little hostile don't they?

 

So, if one of our former presidents was accused of, I dunno ... getting a BJ in the White House ... and he came out and said he didn't do it, that makes it false, right?

 

dude patents vary tremendously on the product, design, execution, etc.

some of the people in this thread STILL do not understand speaker design and manufacturing. my ascendant audio avalanche 15 might as well be called a brahma because it uses xbl2 technology... speakers change due to coil configuration, former material, amount of spiders used and type of spider, etc. if Don says : ID is a JL sub that could mean many a things... maybe Don should have worded it differently but I'm sure he did not realize it would come to this.

 

Face it... JL isn't good anymore. Go with Memphis.

 

Audiobahn...........

 

What do you mean by this? If you're simply stating that a patent on the Flowbee (isn't that the hair cutting product that sucks as it cuts?) is going to be tremendously different than a patent on 3M masking tape, then there's no need to respond to this post, because I already understand what you're saying.

 

because ID is NOT a big company...and back when this "alleged" w7 design was around they were even smaller. not every company can/wants to pay whatever the dollar amount is for technology to be patented/used from another company. the LMT technology TC sounds is trying to sell for example was shown to "big" companies such as eclipse and they rejected it because the asking price was too way too high. now if ID has this great technology but does not have the resources or materials to mass produce it, they may set up a royalty or just sell the rights to the technology flat out. Adire licenses xbl2 to AA, RE, focal now, etc for a roaylty fee for each speaker usingthe technology. maybe ID just sold the "design" to JL and said thank you for the $$$?

 

Do you know if TC Sounds has a patent? I'm sure that Adire must have a patent on it's xbl2 technology, otherwise I doubt they'd be licensing it.

 

adire does and im not quite sure about TC soundss LMT technology...let me search around.

 

Typical politician....The argument was not that ID builds JL subs....


already knew that....

Truth is company reps skip up and about across companies in this business and talk alot to their dealers. No need for people to be so naive concerning the intricacies of how a product reaches your hands....its sure a pretty picture to believe every one of your fav company's products is designed by ***** Wonka himself and comes out of the same ***** Wonka factory production line.....

 

where do you think the RE XXX came from?

Adire HAS BEEN licencing it....by way of their build house- certainly how could a huge operation like they have in Chile(is it?) survive simply building Adire's own subs. There are numorous other products using xbl^2, some advertise it, some dont.

 

yep also i do not think adire has let officially released their new line of car subwoofers (shiva,tempest,koda,brahma,tumult,etc) from Chile...it seems things take longer than expect with car audio and they are going to start building their own subs and becoming more OEM oriented with the plant in Chile. this can be evident because nobody can purchase Adire subs now direct...dealers only now.

 

What I meant was... if they didn't have a patent, then they wouldn't be Licensing it. If they just sold the "schematics" to another company w/o patenting it, then the other company's name would undoubtedly be on the patent. Which, wouldn't make a bit of sense if you were Adire. Why would you go to all the trouble (not to mention money) to R&D a product, and then just sell it to one company when you could spend just a fraction more, patent it, and "sell" it to many companies? It just doesn't make good business sense. If all you're planning on doing is licensing your product, then there's no need to be able to mass produce them. That's up to the companies that buy the rights to sell your product.

 

well this is business..unfortunately i dropped my business major for law and thus cannot argue the logistics of business as you seem to want. but i mean at the time who knows what ID could have been thinking, everything is pure speculation. what if they thought the project would never do as well as it did, every business takes risks with designs and such. i doubt ID was like... o well we know this product is going to make us millions of dollars, but we are going sell off the design for a flat rate and move on. hindsight is 20/20.

 

go with the 2 12" w6v2 ported my friend has that exact same setup with the jl 1000/1 and he broke his rear view mirror(cracked in half). Not joking. Believe me you will enjoy it. 2 subs will hit harder than a 13.5 For one the 13.5 has 1000rms minimal so you would need 2 jl 1000/1 amps to power it to its full potential. While the w6v2 rms is 400 rms a piece u can over power them and they will sound ****ing awesome believe me.

 

wow... the first post in like 3 pages that was actually someone suggesting a setup.

btw *cough* Memphis. You saw my setup, and I'm going to do the video clip this weekend.

 

man everyone is breaking mirrors these days on the org...too bad i did it with one sub and about half that power.

 

:attention I made my mirrors completely pointless to use. That must count for something.

And I'm only running 4 12"s and a 500 watt amp.

 

I'm doing that with one 10W7 and a 500/1...

 

In our cars thats achieved with the factory radio...

 

yes it did...

 

ahh but does it make also hard to breath?????

 

this was the most uneducated statement
a 13.5 needs 2 JL 1000/1's???? please.... that same concept should apply to the "400 rms" w6v2

 

one 13.5 on a 1000/1 is plenty..trust me ive heard it.

 

but i can't lie....two w6v2's ported sound disgustingly sick with just 800w

 

im thinkin about upgrading too this set up... my 1 w6v2 on jl 500 , i dunno just doesnt seem to have enough for me.... either the 12.5 on a JL 1000, or shop around and find an orion HCCA 275g4 and put it on an orion HCCA 15. we shall see....... in time, i guess some bass is better than no bass! thats for sure.

 

Tell me about it I went 3 weeks without a system in my truck. I couldn't stand it so much, I let the wife drive it around for 2 weeks out of the 3.

 

3 weeks is nothing...ill be gone for 8 weeks with no bass or maxima.

75impala- go with the setup but i recommend going to about 2.75 cubes @30 for some sick sick low end.

 

allright cool...yea it will be in time. but i dunno my set up now, perhaps it just needs tuned or something but it seems like there is not much of any bass on most songs......but it really kicks in on the high bass songs (triville crunk in your system, lil jon stuff, pitbull damnit, dmx boom, ciara goodies to name a few) so i dunno not too hapy with it for now....but gonna cut it a break and wait till i can have someone who knows what they are doin look at it lol.

 

is your box sealed?

 

nah its vented....... i thought the specs were wrote on the recipt, but not so, lol...so i tried too call, but understandably, he didnt remember what my box was tuned too.... the box is identical too JL specs wrote in the w6 manual, just unsure of the port/vent

 

Actually, I went 8 months. Damn Iraq and Afghanistan.
Going through bass withdraws. I was hitting anything I could to make it sound like bass.

I found out my specs. 8 cu.ft. @ 29. That deep bass rattles everything. I don't think my mirror is going to last too long. Something has started rattling, and I'm not quite sure what it is. But suspect it to be the mirror.

 

bass withdraws? i think i will go through that soon. my sub is no longer mine starting tomorrow

 

get 2 w7 10" subs with 1000/1 amps for each

 

who me?

....

 

thats a negative on that one...

 

I think I need to keep my eardrums for a little while.

 

your eardrums are fine...listening at high spl is very bad for you but somehow ive been lucky so far. i just got a hearing test for a routine physical and they were very impressed with how well i can hear until proceeed to say "huh". they did not find it funny. anyway, ive had systems ranging from 200-800 watts rms (2 10s, 2 12s, 1 15, sealed, ported) and so far so good. this does NOT mean long term damage isnt likely for me, but for now i dont mind.

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard that high SPL from subwoofers should not cause hearing loss in the upper frequencies, only those lower frequencies made by the subs. Which shouldn't concern you as much since those frequencies aren't generally prevalent in our everyday lives. On the other hand, listening to higher frequenices at high volume can be very detrimental, since most of the sounds we hear (conversations, for example) are in that range. Of course, if you blow your ear drums out with too much bass, then I suppose you'd be completely deaf no matter what.

Anyway, it's something I've heard from several different sources, but I've never confirmed it.

Tony