505max94se

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I've had many eclipse 8815 dvc's and it's one of my favorite subs. They aren't being made any more (by eclipse). When they were made, they were only available with a dual 4ohm vc (the regular 8815 was a single 4ohm vc) but, I always wanted an eclipse aluminum with a dual 2ohm vc. I wanted the dual 2ohm sub to use it with a US-AMPS TU-600 (tube amp 300x2@2ohms).

I've heard that eclipse subs were made by some other company then Eclipse buys them, puts on a "eclipse" magnet cover, and puts thier name on the cone.

I just checked out Soundsplinter's site and the subs seem to be the same as the older style eclipse aluminum (8812,5 dvc) except the cones are black (but still aluminum), the basket is black, and they don't have a magnet cover on them. hmm.... Soundsplinter has a dual 2ohm and a dual 4ohm and they apear to be the exact same sub

What do you guys think?

Soundsplinter RL-P Premium Series 15" sub


Eclipse Aluminum 8815 DVC 15" sub

AscendantMax

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well a lot of companies use the same basket design. the adire audio brahma mark 1 used the 4 spoke design, and as well as the RL-p's. here's a pic of my old brahma

Robert_J

The 4 post cast basket and the 12 post "Venezualen" (sp?) cast basket are both off-the-shelf standard parts. It's the rest of the speaker that makes it unique.

The buildhouse for both is TC Sounds. You would be surprised that very few speaker companies actually build their own drivers. The Bramha pictured above was built by Destijl Engineering for Adire.

Looks are deceiving. Yes, they use the same basket and an aluminum cone. It's the magnet and the soft parts that are the real heart of a sub. And SS doesn't make dual 2ohm subs any more. They just completed a group buy of about 20.

From everything I have ever read including posts from Stephen Ponte (former sub designer at TC Sounds) is that Eclipse would "overstate" the specs of their subs. If you really want a dual 2 ohm sub that looks like that, get the AV12 MKII. They are on sale right now for $150. Performance will definitely exceed the Eclipse. I have a pair of the AV12MKII's.

-Robert

505max94se

iTrader: (15)

I checked out the specs and they're similar but not the same. I don't think they're the same sub anymore but, they probably sound similar because of the cone and spider. The both have dual spiders, very similar (if not the) magnet/basket, and very similar cones. The surrounds and spiders look slightly different though. The surrounds look a little smaller than the eclipse and the xmax of the rl-p is 0.4" less than th eclipse.

I think i'm going to either get 4 RL-i10's or two RL-P 15's in a sealed box and push them with two tu-600's. Or maybe one 15 and two 10's. Not sure yet.

Robert_J

Don't mix subs. It takes a lot of knowledge to integrate different subs into a system.

The RL-i subs are based on the TC2+ motor design. In fact they are almost the standard offering from TC Sounds. The RL-p is based on the TC9 but SS had them built with dual spiders.

-Robert

505max94se

iTrader: (15)

If anything eclipse understates their specs. I've powered my 8815 dvc (500 watt rms sub) with 1000-1200 watts rms (real power) daily for 4 years. The sub was used when I bought it and who knows how old it was. It finally blew-up recently. The voice coil actually was fine when I took it apart. The cone separated from the vc and the spider from moving too much which disconnected the leads running from the spider to the vc. It sounded great the whole time.

The magnet looks EXACTLY the same as the eclipse. But I still don't think they're the same sub.

I agree that eclipse's subs are overpriced but I usually buy them used for $150-200. I just bought a new 8815 dvc for $150 on ebay. Retail on it was $499 when they were still being made.

505max94se

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What kind of knowlege would that be?

It's just an idea and I probably won't do it because I've always tried to keep things simple like having only one sub. I'm just wanting to try new things

Robert_J

I should have said trial and error or maybe experience. You will be dealing with two different frequency response curves. Hell, it may work out great. I build most of my subs for home use and mixing subs is not done ever.

-Robert

505max94se

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The av looks alot like the newer eclipse aluminum (sw8152.4, sw8122.4). I might get two of av15. That's a good deal and they have dual 2's.

Why isn't soundsplinter making a dual 2 anymore?

Robert_J

Mike wasn't selling any so he dropped the line. They finally had enough requests to get TC to do a special build run. It may be months before they get enough interest to do it again.

-Robert