HU Replacement and Bose Woes
12-23-2005, 08:20 PM
#1
HU Replacement and Bose Woes
I just got done reading through the thread about replacing your headunit with something aftermarket, and it just left me confused. I know very little about audio stuff, and my Bose HU is dead and needs to go.
Like I said though, I know nothing of audio...and can't do wiring to save my life. So is there any solution that doesn't require you to splice any wires? (i.e. TRUE plug-and-play) According to studman there is...
He says no splicing of wires, yet if I look at the product on ebay there's clearly wires that don't have plugs on the end of them. So what's the deal?
What about the Metra 70-7551? Does that require splicing?
Maybe if I let you know which headunit I plan on using...it's the Pioneer DEH-1300 (getting it for next to nothing). Here's a picture of the back of it so you can see the plugs:
I believe that black plug is 16-pin.
Help me
Like I said though, I know nothing of audio...and can't do wiring to save my life. So is there any solution that doesn't require you to splice any wires? (i.e. TRUE plug-and-play) According to studman there is...
Originally Posted by studman
The PAC kit is plug-n-play. It's also tested, tried, and used. And it's cheap on top of that. Oh, and did I mention that you don't have to splice wires.
What about the Metra 70-7551? Does that require splicing?
Maybe if I let you know which headunit I plan on using...it's the Pioneer DEH-1300 (getting it for next to nothing). Here's a picture of the back of it so you can see the plugs:
I believe that black plug is 16-pin.
Help me
12-23-2005, 08:42 PM
#2
Okay do you have the harness for the radio? You need that. It is essential. Then for you're unit you do require the adapter since it has only front rca outputs, unless you want to run you're bose speakers in mono.
12-23-2005, 08:57 PM
#4
Originally Posted by Tatanko
I just got done reading through the thread about replacing your headunit with something aftermarket, and it just left me confused. I know very little about audio stuff, and my Bose HU is dead and needs to go.
Like I said though, I know nothing of audio...and can't do wiring to save my life. So is there any solution that doesn't require you to splice any wires? (i.e. TRUE plug-and-play) According to studman there is...
He says no splicing of wires, yet if I look at the product on ebay there's clearly wires that don't have plugs on the end of them. So what's the deal?
What about the Metra 70-7551? Does that require splicing?
Maybe if I let you know which headunit I plan on using...it's the Pioneer DEH-1300 (getting it for next to nothing). Here's a picture of the back of it so you can see the plugs:
I believe that black plug is 16-pin.
Help me
Like I said though, I know nothing of audio...and can't do wiring to save my life. So is there any solution that doesn't require you to splice any wires? (i.e. TRUE plug-and-play) According to studman there is...
He says no splicing of wires, yet if I look at the product on ebay there's clearly wires that don't have plugs on the end of them. So what's the deal?
What about the Metra 70-7551? Does that require splicing?
Maybe if I let you know which headunit I plan on using...it's the Pioneer DEH-1300 (getting it for next to nothing). Here's a picture of the back of it so you can see the plugs:
I believe that black plug is 16-pin.
Help me
12-23-2005, 09:09 PM
#5
Originally Posted by nismos14
Okay do you have the harness for the radio? You need that. It is essential. Then for you're unit you do require the adapter since it has only front rca outputs, unless you want to run you're bose speakers in mono.
Originally Posted by Cant_Get_Ryte
isnt hard to do but you can easily bypass at the speakers. I have pictures on my website. TYou can directly bypass the power on the bose amps, connect the other two that are speaker wires, and then do the connection behind your radio via the wiring harness.
Like I said, I'm an audio idiot...gotta put it more simply for me. I also suck at wiring...so I'm looking at the simplest, least work-involved solution here.
12-23-2005, 10:15 PM
#6
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if you arent an audio buff or wiring buff you might want to think abuot getting it professionally installed...
..my understanding is that you have to get each BOSE amp bypassed (theres one in each door and some others i believe) or your speakers will blow within volume 10...you definitely need the wiring harness though
..my understanding is that you have to get each BOSE amp bypassed (theres one in each door and some others i believe) or your speakers will blow within volume 10...you definitely need the wiring harness though
12-24-2005, 06:59 AM
#7
You can bypass them from behind the unit, but it seems as though you want to use the 1300 to power the bose in which case you just need signal from the headunit to run into the bose amps and they will powerup and play that way.
12-24-2005, 08:02 AM
#8
So then what all do I need...and what all does this install entail?
I've never heard of anyone blowing their Bose speakers
In the other thread, studman made it sound like if I got that PAC kit, all I had to do was hook everything up and connect a few wires on the HU side...that I would never need to touch the Bose speakers or amps.
I've never heard of anyone blowing their Bose speakers
In the other thread, studman made it sound like if I got that PAC kit, all I had to do was hook everything up and connect a few wires on the HU side...that I would never need to touch the Bose speakers or amps.
12-24-2005, 08:28 AM
#10
Originally Posted by nismos14
Yup thats what the pac will allow you to do. Get it, do it. Done. Seriously that'll be the easiest way for you to do it.
Oh well, suck it up I guess...I also tried looking for charts or lists to see which wires go to which wires...so how do I know? I'm assuming that when I get the PAC kit, it'll tell me what each of ITS wires are for...but what about the harness I'll be getting for my headunit? Can anyone tell me where to look up Pioneer information like that?
12-24-2005, 08:33 AM
#11
The pac should have instructions to do it all. Otherwise I'm sure there is a master sheet somewhere for our wiring. Probably in the stickies for the audio forum.
As far as the harness for the pioneer, just get the nissan wiring harness from wal-mart for like 10 bucks. Just hook up the power side and don't hook up the speaker outputs from the pioneer harness to the nissan harness.
As far as the harness for the pioneer, just get the nissan wiring harness from wal-mart for like 10 bucks. Just hook up the power side and don't hook up the speaker outputs from the pioneer harness to the nissan harness.
12-24-2005, 08:37 AM
#12
Originally Posted by nismos14
The pac should have instructions to do it all. Otherwise I'm sure there is a master sheet somewhere for our wiring. Probably in the stickies for the audio forum.
Originally Posted by nismos14
As far as the harness for the pioneer, just get the nissan wiring harness from wal-mart for like 10 bucks. Just hook up the power side and don't hook up the speaker outputs from the pioneer harness to the nissan harness.
ALSO...I've noticed that the harness that plugs into the OEM-1 module from the PAC kit is 18-pin, but the harness made for the Pioneer is 16-pin. I'm assuming this is just because the PAC kit has to take all headunits into account, and that some are 18-pin, correct? So there will just be 2 wires from the OEM-1 I'll ignore and not hook up?
12-24-2005, 08:42 AM
#13
Scratch the whole get a nissan harness i forgot aboutthe pac 
Most likely so they can be used for other nissans. Don't worry aboutthem unless someone else with better experience with it can tell you otherwise.... Don....... 
Most likely so they can be used for other nissans. Don't worry aboutthem unless someone else with better experience with it can tell you otherwise.... Don.......
12-24-2005, 08:49 AM
#14
Originally Posted by nismos14
Scratch the whole get a nissan harness i forgot aboutthe pac Most likely so they can be used for other nissans. Don't worry aboutthem unless someone else with better experience with it can tell you otherwise.... Don.......
Most likely so they can be used for other nissans. Don't worry aboutthem unless someone else with better experience with it can tell you otherwise.... Don....... 
12-24-2005, 09:42 AM
#16
Originally Posted by JSutter
the wires are color coded and labled. i think you can figure it out. bose sux
Now I've noticed that the HU I'm getting has 2 extra outputs on the back of it...could I possibly use these for an amp and sub if I choose to add them later?
12-24-2005, 05:50 PM
#21
Originally Posted by JSutter
those are most likely rear outs, and possibly switchable to be non fading for use with a sub.
12-24-2005, 06:29 PM
#22
Originally Posted by Tatanko
Good, good...
Off-topic: changing your avatar quite a bit today, eh, nismos?
Off-topic: changing your avatar quite a bit today, eh, nismos?
Yes
Most likely those are not switchable outputs on the 1300. But they will still be fine for sub applications.
12-25-2005, 08:32 AM
#25
Originally Posted by Black Maxima
I installed the Pioneer 2600 in my Maxima. I don't have BOSE. I did not have to wire/solder a single thing. The guy at CircuitCity gave me two harnesses, so everything was plug and play.
Totally different animal when you dont have bose.
12-25-2005, 09:35 AM
#26
Originally Posted by nismos14
Totally different animal when you dont have bose.
Completely different setup, and for all I know the 2600 and my 1300 have absolutely nothing in common.BTW, just ordered my PAC kit and the Pioneer harness a few minutes ago...I'll hopefully be able to pay for the headunit soon and get that on it's way, too. Wish me luck...
Hope I won't need to bug you guys too much during the install
However, I do have a kid who installed his own system and is fairly good at wiring doing the actual wiring work for me. It'll probably take him like 5 minutes 
12-25-2005, 11:11 AM
#27
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Hey, let me get this straight
-Tatanko has bose speakers and stock bose headunit but the headunit recently crapped out
-He want to replace his Bose hu with an aftermarket one but leave the bose speakers?
- He can do this by using a PAC, this will bypass the amps without rewiring anything, and his original bose speakers wont blow?
- The PAC is a wireing harness that will connect to the aftermarket HU wireing harness by matching up the colors ect.?
How will the bose speakers sound with a aftermarket headunit?
I am in an extremely similar situation and am probly gona do this if the idea i have in my head is correct?
How do u plan to mount ur new headunit? get some fittings to fill the extra space?
-Tatanko has bose speakers and stock bose headunit but the headunit recently crapped out
-He want to replace his Bose hu with an aftermarket one but leave the bose speakers?
- He can do this by using a PAC, this will bypass the amps without rewiring anything, and his original bose speakers wont blow?
- The PAC is a wireing harness that will connect to the aftermarket HU wireing harness by matching up the colors ect.?
How will the bose speakers sound with a aftermarket headunit?
I am in an extremely similar situation and am probly gona do this if the idea i have in my head is correct?
How do u plan to mount ur new headunit? get some fittings to fill the extra space?
12-25-2005, 11:16 AM
#28
Originally Posted by BlackMax1992SE
-Tatanko has bose speakers and stock bose headunit but the headunit recently crapped out
Originally Posted by BlackMax1992SE
-He want to replace his Bose hu with an aftermarket one but leave the bose speakers?
Originally Posted by BlackMax1992SE
- He can do this by using a PAC, this will bypass the amps without rewiring anything, and his original bose speakers wont blow?
Originally Posted by BlackMax1992SE
- The PAC is a wireing harness that will connect to the aftermarket HU wireing harness by matching up the colors ect.?
Originally Posted by BlackMax1992SE
How will the bose speakers sound with a aftermarket headunit?
Originally Posted by BlackMax1992SE
How do u plan to mount ur new headunit? get some fittings to fill the extra space?
12-25-2005, 11:21 AM
#29
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i <3 the org
When do u plan on doing this? feel free to pm me if u run into any problems because iv done audio and wireing work before, just never delt with bose.
So ur gona get ur PAC threw ebay, how much do u think it will be if i purchased it at a store, or are they only available online?
When do u plan on doing this? feel free to pm me if u run into any problems because iv done audio and wireing work before, just never delt with bose.
So ur gona get ur PAC threw ebay, how much do u think it will be if i purchased it at a store, or are they only available online?
12-25-2005, 11:30 AM
#30
Originally Posted by BlackMax1992SE
i <3 the org
When do u plan on doing this? feel free to pm me if u run into any problems because iv done audio and wireing work before, just never delt with bose.
So ur gona get ur PAC threw ebay, how much do u think it will be if i purchased it at a store, or are they only available online?
When do u plan on doing this? feel free to pm me if u run into any problems because iv done audio and wireing work before, just never delt with bose.
So ur gona get ur PAC threw ebay, how much do u think it will be if i purchased it at a store, or are they only available online?
...and thanks, I'll be sure to keep in touch with you if I have any issues. I ordered the PAC and the harness for the HU today, and hopefully I'll be sending payment for the HU today as well. So maybe at the end of the week I'll be installing it
(assuming it all gets here by then, probably not)EDIT: Since you're a 3rd gen., you need a different PAC kit. The one I got is 1995-2006, you need one that's specific to 3rd gens.
12-25-2005, 11:35 AM
#31
If you're using a unit that has front and rear outputs there is no need for the pac. Just wire the rca outs from the unit to the bose inputs.
Also, I have a couple of oem black din pockets $15 shipped each if you want tatanko. check my thread in the fs forum.
Also, I have a couple of oem black din pockets $15 shipped each if you want tatanko. check my thread in the fs forum.
12-25-2005, 11:41 AM
#32
Originally Posted by nismos14
If you're using a unit that has front and rear outputs there is no need for the pac. Just wire the rca outs from the unit to the bose inputs.
Originally Posted by nismos14
Also, I have a couple of oem black din pockets $15 shipped each if you want tatanko. check my thread in the fs forum.
$15 is a pretty small amount, though, and I'd prefer to put it in while I have the dash apart than have to take it all off again a week later. Thanks!Quick question, though, about the pockets...how are they secured? I know the headunit is secured by screws that go right into the HU itself, so how are the pockets secured? Or do they just sit in there and rely on the outside trim to hold them in place?
12-25-2005, 11:47 AM
#33
Originally Posted by Tatanko
You seem to forget I suck at audio and wiring stuff. I need this to be as straightforward as possible
I'll be sure to do that soon. Waiting to see how much cash I'll have leftover $15 is a pretty small amount, though, and I'd prefer to put it in while I have the dash apart than have to take it all off again a week later. Thanks!
Quick question, though, about the pockets...how are they secured? I know the headunit is secured by screws that go right into the HU itself, so how are the pockets secured? Or do they just sit in there and rely on the outside trim to hold them in place?
I'll be sure to do that soon. Waiting to see how much cash I'll have leftover
$15 is a pretty small amount, though, and I'd prefer to put it in while I have the dash apart than have to take it all off again a week later. Thanks!Quick question, though, about the pockets...how are they secured? I know the headunit is secured by screws that go right into the HU itself, so how are the pockets secured? Or do they just sit in there and rely on the outside trim to hold them in place?
With your headunit wiring the bose with the outputs will not work since you only have a single set of out's on that headunit.
As for the pockets They use the same type of screws the stock headunit used. And if you don't have the screws the factory bracket will hold them in place fine.
12-25-2005, 11:49 AM
#34
Originally Posted by nismos14
With your headunit wiring the bose with the outputs will not work since you only have a single set of out's on that headunit.
Originally Posted by nismos14
As for the pockets They use the same type of screws the stock headunit used. And if you don't have the screws the factory bracket will hold them in place fine.
12-25-2005, 11:52 AM
#35
If you're using the PAC, don't worry about the 8 speaker wires coming out of the 16 pin harness.
The PAC is just a replacement that uses the RCA outs on the HU instead of you hardwiring them into the factory harness, pretty much its a $50 convenience factor.
edit: also, you will still have to hardwire the power, power antenna, accessory, illumination, and find a ground for the HU. did you get an antenna adapter?
The PAC is just a replacement that uses the RCA outs on the HU instead of you hardwiring them into the factory harness, pretty much its a $50 convenience factor.
edit: also, you will still have to hardwire the power, power antenna, accessory, illumination, and find a ground for the HU. did you get an antenna adapter?
12-25-2005, 11:56 AM
#37
Originally Posted by djfrestyl
The PAC is just a replacement that uses the RCA outs on the HU instead of you hardwiring them into the factory harness, pretty much its a $50 convenience factor.
Originally Posted by djfrestyl
edit: also, you will still have to hardwire the power, power antenna, accessory, illumination, and find a ground for the HU. did you get an antenna adapter?
I did not order an antenna adapter. Here's why: I never use my radio anyway, and all I've heard about them are bad things (such as the antenna staying up all the time...which I don't want).
12-25-2005, 11:57 AM
#38
Originally Posted by djfrestyl
Tatanko, if you want I can walk you through it on the phone. PM me whenever if you want my #.
12-25-2005, 12:04 PM
#40
Originally Posted by djfrestyl
I think I'm thinking of something else. Link to which PAC you ordered?