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Old 10-11-2006 | 02:41 PM
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Crossover Hook up?

Anyone know how to connect a crossover? I have a 4 channel Rockford Fosgate to my components and rears and a 2 channel for my 1 10' sub. I had a 4 channel with a built in cross over and it sounded so good for about 10 years then it broke. Thats why I bought the Rockford, but it just doesn't sound the same you know. Thats why I think it has to be the crossover. Anyone have any ideas on this? or what I can do to get the sound back. If anyone can show me how to hook up the crossover, that would be good too.

Thanks.... I need to get back to this ASAP!
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Each crossover has an input (from 1 of the 4 channels of the amp) and two outputs...one to tweeter, one to woofer.

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Anyone have pics of there crossover setup?
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it sounded good cus old fosgate stuff actually used to be good. the new stuff just isn't the same.
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Anyone have pics of there crossover setup?
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Im so Fncking SICK AND TIRED OF DUMB ***** LIKE THIS^^^^^^ IF YOU CAN'T HELP OR DON'T WANT TO THEN DON'T!!! WHAT R U TRYING TO PROVE HERE?!?!?!?! THAT YOUR COOL??? YOUR SMART??? YOUR TUFF??WHAT????? WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF TALKING INTERNET ****??? IT'S FUNNY IV BEEN HEAR ALMOSTA YEAR AND NOT 1NCE HAVE I TALKED **** ON ANY NEWBIES OR PEOPLE JUST ASKING GENERAL QUESTIONS.....DO YOU ACT LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE????

ANY PERSON-" THIS PASTA IS GOOD, WHAT KIND IS IT"

YOU-" OH, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO ITALY AND STUDY HOW PASTA IS MADE AND WHAT TYPES HAVE BEEN USED OVER YEARS OF THE ITALIAN CULTURE, DUH"

ANY PERSON-...ALREADY WALKING AWAY FROM YOUR DUMB A$$, BEFORE YOU EVEN FINISH.....

AND EVERYONE THATS AROUND,LAUGHING AT YOUR A$$, WHILE YOU SIT THERE WITH THE I'M SO SMART AND COOL GRIN ON YOUR FACE, WHILE YOU'RE EATING YOUR CUP-O-NOODLES...


IF IT'S LIKE THIS, WHY HAVE A FNCKING FORUM, WHY IS THERE A MAXIMA.ORG????? WE SHOULD ALL BE USING GOOGLE OR YAHOO AND FIGURE OUT OUR OWN ****..... LET'S MAKE A PETITION TO SHUT THIS .ORG DOWN, CUZ WE SHOULD ALL BE AS SMART AND KNOW EVERYTHING LIKE YOU RIGHT AND NOT BE A COMFORMIST RIGHT.......I LAUGH, IT NEVER ENDS....
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Hahahha. This is hilarious.
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Seriously man, before you have an aneurism...Take a look at the crossover. It's labeled with INPUT, TWEETER, WOOFER. The input comes from one of the channels of your amps. The other front channel is for the other crossover in the front. The other two channels (that should be labeled REAR) go directly to your rear speakers. Not that hard at all with some common sense.
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Originally Posted by Stagnet04
Im so Fncking SICK AND TIRED OF DUMB ***** LIKE THIS^^^^^^ IF YOU CAN'T HELP OR DON'T WANT TO THEN DON'T!!! WHAT R U TRYING TO PROVE HERE?!?!?!?! THAT YOUR COOL??? YOUR SMART??? YOUR TUFF??WHAT????? WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF TALKING INTERNET ****??? IT'S FUNNY IV BEEN HEAR ALMOSTA YEAR AND NOT 1NCE HAVE I TALKED **** ON ANY NEWBIES OR PEOPLE JUST ASKING GENERAL QUESTIONS.....DO YOU ACT LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE????

ANY PERSON-" THIS PASTA IS GOOD, WHAT KIND IS IT"

YOU-" OH, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO ITALY AND STUDY HOW PASTA IS MADE AND WHAT TYPES HAVE BEEN USED OVER YEARS OF THE ITALIAN CULTURE, DUH"

ANY PERSON-...ALREADY WALKING AWAY FROM YOUR DUMB A$$, BEFORE YOU EVEN FINISH.....

AND EVERYONE THATS AROUND,LAUGHING AT YOUR A$$, WHILE YOU SIT THERE WITH THE I'M SO SMART AND COOL GRIN ON YOUR FACE, WHILE YOU'RE EATING YOUR CUP-O-NOODLES...


IF IT'S LIKE THIS, WHY HAVE A FNCKING FORUM, WHY IS THERE A MAXIMA.ORG????? WE SHOULD ALL BE USING GOOGLE OR YAHOO AND FIGURE OUT OUR OWN ****..... LET'S MAKE A PETITION TO SHUT THIS .ORG DOWN, CUZ WE SHOULD ALL BE AS SMART AND KNOW EVERYTHING LIKE YOU RIGHT AND NOT BE A COMFORMIST RIGHT.......I LAUGH, IT NEVER ENDS....
You're going to have to calm down a little, but I agree with this. It is a legit question; telling him to search google isn't very helpful.
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You're going to have to calm down a little, but I agree with this. It is a legit question; telling him to search google isn't very helpful.
Post #2.

To the original poster,
RTFM = Read the ******* manual.
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Im so Fncking SICK AND TIRED OF DUMB ***** LIKE THIS^^^^^^ IF YOU CAN'T HELP OR DON'T WANT TO THEN DON'T!!! WHAT R U TRYING TO PROVE HERE?!?!?!?! THAT YOUR COOL??? YOUR SMART??? YOUR TUFF??WHAT????? WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF TALKING INTERNET ****??? IT'S FUNNY IV BEEN HEAR ALMOSTA YEAR AND NOT 1NCE HAVE I TALKED **** ON ANY NEWBIES OR PEOPLE JUST ASKING GENERAL QUESTIONS.....DO YOU ACT LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE????

ANY PERSON-" THIS PASTA IS GOOD, WHAT KIND IS IT"

YOU-" OH, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO ITALY AND STUDY HOW PASTA IS MADE AND WHAT TYPES HAVE BEEN USED OVER YEARS OF THE ITALIAN CULTURE, DUH"

ANY PERSON-...ALREADY WALKING AWAY FROM YOUR DUMB A$$, BEFORE YOU EVEN FINISH.....

AND EVERYONE THATS AROUND,LAUGHING AT YOUR A$$, WHILE YOU SIT THERE WITH THE I'M SO SMART AND COOL GRIN ON YOUR FACE, WHILE YOU'RE EATING YOUR CUP-O-NOODLES...


IF IT'S LIKE THIS, WHY HAVE A FNCKING FORUM, WHY IS THERE A MAXIMA.ORG????? WE SHOULD ALL BE USING GOOGLE OR YAHOO AND FIGURE OUT OUR OWN ****..... LET'S MAKE A PETITION TO SHUT THIS .ORG DOWN, CUZ WE SHOULD ALL BE AS SMART AND KNOW EVERYTHING LIKE YOU RIGHT AND NOT BE A COMFORMIST RIGHT.......I LAUGH, IT NEVER ENDS....
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IF I TALK LIKE THIS IT MAKES ME SOUND SCARY!!!!11one
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Passive Crossovers
Passive crossovers are easy to install. By definition, the only type of connections they require are to your speaker line. They typically get installed between the end of the speaker wire and the speaker. Connection should be fairly simple, just like hooking up the speaker itself.

Unlike conventional passive crossovers, F-Mod crossovers modify the audio signal before it is amplified. They accept the patch cord from your receiver on one end, and then plug directly into the preamp inputs on your amplifier. They are also easy to install, and do not require additional wiring.

Active Crossovers
Installing an active crossover requires a little more work. You have to connect 12-volt power, ground, and a turn-on lead. The active crossover gets installed between your receiver and your amplifier. Many active crossovers have both speaker-level and preamp inputs, so they can usually accommodate either type of connection. The outputs will be preamp connections to your amplifier.

Once you've done the work, you're sure to be pleased with the new control you'll have over your music. You will be able to tune your sound system so that all of the speakers connected to your amps can give you their best performance.

Finding the right spot
A crossover can be securely mounted with just a few screws. Anywhere between the receiver and the amp is fine. Most people mount the crossover in the trunk near their amp, especially if you have more than one amp. This also makes it easier to add additional amps later. You should mount it where it will be easy to get to so that you can make adjustments without too much trouble. Usually, you'll just make the initial adjustments to fine-tune the sound and then leave it. But sometimes, you may get into the mood to just tweak your system or give it a different sound for the day.

Don't mount your electronic crossover directly on steel — you will invite noise problems. Instead, install it on a non-conductive board and attach the board to the car body (or use rubber grommets under the screws to isolate the crossover).

Wiring issues
The wiring for your crossover does not have to be the heavy-gauge stuff that you use for your amp. The crossover itself doesn't need much power, so unless you're trying to cosmetically match your crossover wiring to your amplifier's heavier guage wiring, typical 18-gauge wire will be fine.

It's always best to ground each component separately. If you'd rather use a single bolt, place the ground for the component that draws the most current (probably your biggest amp) closest to the car body. Put the ground for the component that draws the least current (probably the electronic crossover) on top.

As for the turn-on lead, you can usually tie it into the turn-on lead for your amps. If you have four or more components in your system, you might need a relay network to protect your receiver. That's because the receiver's power antenna lead can only supply a limited amount of current.

If the components in your stereo system ask for more current than the receiver can supply, you can burn out that circuit in your receiver. Call our technical department if you need advice on building a relay network (please have your invoice handy). A relay network connected to the power antenna lead draws a small amount of current from the receiver, but supplies enough current to simultaneously turn on all your other components.

Feeding the music to your crossover
Most receivers provide preamp output from RCA jacks. If both your receiver and crossover use RCA jacks, connect them using an RCA patch cable. Some crossovers can also take their input signal from the receiver's speaker leads. But if your receiver has preamp outputs, use those instead. You'll get a cleaner signal. If you want to feed your crossover a preamp-level signal, but your receiver does not have preamp outputs, an effective and inexpensive line output converter will help you step the speaker-level signal down to preamp level. Then run an RCA patch cord from the converter to the crossover.

Make sure the patch cords supplying the musical signal to the crossover and amplifier are kept well away from potential sources of noise, such as brake light wires or rear window defroster wires.

If the amp is in the trunk, run the input signal leads down the same side of the car as any speaker wires you've installed. Run the power and turn-on leads down the other side of the car with the same wires for the amp to avoid interference.
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Originally Posted by Stagnet04
Im so Fncking SICK AND TIRED OF DUMB ***** LIKE THIS^^^^^^ IF YOU CAN'T HELP OR DON'T WANT TO THEN DON'T!!! WHAT R U TRYING TO PROVE HERE?!?!?!?! THAT YOUR COOL??? YOUR SMART??? YOUR TUFF??WHAT????? WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF TALKING INTERNET ****??? IT'S FUNNY IV BEEN HEAR ALMOSTA YEAR AND NOT 1NCE HAVE I TALKED **** ON ANY NEWBIES OR PEOPLE JUST ASKING GENERAL QUESTIONS.....DO YOU ACT LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE????

ANY PERSON-" THIS PASTA IS GOOD, WHAT KIND IS IT"

YOU-" OH, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO ITALY AND STUDY HOW PASTA IS MADE AND WHAT TYPES HAVE BEEN USED OVER YEARS OF THE ITALIAN CULTURE, DUH"

ANY PERSON-...ALREADY WALKING AWAY FROM YOUR DUMB A$$, BEFORE YOU EVEN FINISH.....

AND EVERYONE THATS AROUND,LAUGHING AT YOUR A$$, WHILE YOU SIT THERE WITH THE I'M SO SMART AND COOL GRIN ON YOUR FACE, WHILE YOU'RE EATING YOUR CUP-O-NOODLES...


IF IT'S LIKE THIS, WHY HAVE A FNCKING FORUM, WHY IS THERE A MAXIMA.ORG????? WE SHOULD ALL BE USING GOOGLE OR YAHOO AND FIGURE OUT OUR OWN ****..... LET'S MAKE A PETITION TO SHUT THIS .ORG DOWN, CUZ WE SHOULD ALL BE AS SMART AND KNOW EVERYTHING LIKE YOU RIGHT AND NOT BE A COMFORMIST RIGHT.......I LAUGH, IT NEVER ENDS....
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This Is So Typical, Someone Acts Like A dikc To Me, I Respond By Showing Him What's Up And Now I Need To Chill Out....lol I Love It!!!! Im Not Mad, I Never Was. I Just Can't Beleive People Respond Like This To A Real Question. If I Said How Do I Work My Volume On My Stereo Then Go Ahead And Kill Me. You Have To Pick Your Spots To Talk **** And Iv Seen This Guy's Posts Before, Thats All He Does And No One Tells Him Anything, So I Had To Do It...

Yeah I Saw Post# 2 And Didn't Respond, Thats Shows I Even Gave Him A Free Shot But He Just Couldn't Resist And Had To Talk Even More Smack!

So If Anyone Out There Can Help Me Out With My Original Question. I Would Really Appreciate It
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NICE Nija edit. Very nice.
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This Is So Typical, Someone Acts Like A **** To Me, I Respond By Showing Him What's Up And Now I Need To Chill Out....lol I Love It!!!! Im Not Mad, I Never Was. I Just Can't Beleive People Respond Like This To A Real Question. If I Said How Do I Work My Volume On My Stereo Then Go Ahead And Kill Me. You Have To Pick Your Spots To Talk **** And Iv Seen This Guy's Posts Before, Thats All He Does And No One Tells Him Anything, So I Had To Do It...

How Can You Stand Capitalizing The First Letter Of Every Word?

Took me forever to type that.
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Originally Posted by Stagnet04
This Is So Typical, Someone Acts Like A dikc To Me, I Respond By Showing Him What's Up And Now I Need To Chill Out....lol I Love It!!!! Im Not Mad, I Never Was. I Just Can't Beleive People Respond Like This To A Real Question. If I Said How Do I Work My Volume On My Stereo Then Go Ahead And Kill Me. You Have To Pick Your Spots To Talk **** And Iv Seen This Guy's Posts Before, Thats All He Does And No One Tells Him Anything, So I Had To Do It...

Yeah I Saw Post# 2 And Didn't Respond, Thats Shows I Even Gave Him A Free Shot But He Just Couldn't Resist And Had To Talk Even More Smack!

So If Anyone Out There Can Help Me Out With My Original Question. I Would Really Appreciate It
Why is every word capitalized, and, "And Iv Seen This Guy's Posts Before, Thats All He Does And No One Tells Him Anything, So I Had To Do It..."



I am more than helpful to plenty of users in this subforum. The only thing is, and I'm sure the general consensus agrees, you got to help us help you. NO one is going to spoonfeed you information, especially when it is very basic.
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Originally Posted by Stagnet04
This Is So Typical, Someone Acts Like A dikc To Me, I Respond By Showing Him What's Up And Now I Need To Chill Out....lol I Love It!!!! Im Not Mad, I Never Was. I Just Can't Beleive People Respond Like This To A Real Question. If I Said How Do I Work My Volume On My Stereo Then Go Ahead And Kill Me. You Have To Pick Your Spots To Talk **** And Iv Seen This Guy's Posts Before, Thats All He Does And No One Tells Him Anything, So I Had To Do It...

Yeah I Saw Post# 2 And Didn't Respond, Thats Shows I Even Gave Him A Free Shot But He Just Couldn't Resist And Had To Talk Even More Smack!

So If Anyone Out There Can Help Me Out With My Original Question. I Would Really Appreciate It
Yea, show that ***** whats up!!!!!11111
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Passive Crossovers
Passive crossovers are easy to install. By definition, the only type of connections they require are to your speaker line. They typically get installed between the end of the speaker wire and the speaker. Connection should be fairly simple, just like hooking up the speaker itself.

Unlike conventional passive crossovers, F-Mod crossovers modify the audio signal before it is amplified. They accept the patch cord from your receiver on one end, and then plug directly into the preamp inputs on your amplifier. They are also easy to install, and do not require additional wiring.

Active Crossovers
Installing an active crossover requires a little more work. You have to connect 12-volt power, ground, and a turn-on lead. The active crossover gets installed between your receiver and your amplifier. Many active crossovers have both speaker-level and preamp inputs, so they can usually accommodate either type of connection. The outputs will be preamp connections to your amplifier.

Once you've done the work, you're sure to be pleased with the new control you'll have over your music. You will be able to tune your sound system so that all of the speakers connected to your amps can give you their best performance.

Finding the right spot
A crossover can be securely mounted with just a few screws. Anywhere between the receiver and the amp is fine. Most people mount the crossover in the trunk near their amp, especially if you have more than one amp. This also makes it easier to add additional amps later. You should mount it where it will be easy to get to so that you can make adjustments without too much trouble. Usually, you'll just make the initial adjustments to fine-tune the sound and then leave it. But sometimes, you may get into the mood to just tweak your system or give it a different sound for the day.

Don't mount your electronic crossover directly on steel — you will invite noise problems. Instead, install it on a non-conductive board and attach the board to the car body (or use rubber grommets under the screws to isolate the crossover).

Wiring issues
The wiring for your crossover does not have to be the heavy-gauge stuff that you use for your amp. The crossover itself doesn't need much power, so unless you're trying to cosmetically match your crossover wiring to your amplifier's heavier guage wiring, typical 18-gauge wire will be fine.

It's always best to ground each component separately. If you'd rather use a single bolt, place the ground for the component that draws the most current (probably your biggest amp) closest to the car body. Put the ground for the component that draws the least current (probably the electronic crossover) on top.

As for the turn-on lead, you can usually tie it into the turn-on lead for your amps. If you have four or more components in your system, you might need a relay network to protect your receiver. That's because the receiver's power antenna lead can only supply a limited amount of current.

If the components in your stereo system ask for more current than the receiver can supply, you can burn out that circuit in your receiver. Call our technical department if you need advice on building a relay network (please have your invoice handy). A relay network connected to the power antenna lead draws a small amount of current from the receiver, but supplies enough current to simultaneously turn on all your other components.

Feeding the music to your crossover
Most receivers provide preamp output from RCA jacks. If both your receiver and crossover use RCA jacks, connect them using an RCA patch cable. Some crossovers can also take their input signal from the receiver's speaker leads. But if your receiver has preamp outputs, use those instead. You'll get a cleaner signal. If you want to feed your crossover a preamp-level signal, but your receiver does not have preamp outputs, an effective and inexpensive line output converter will help you step the speaker-level signal down to preamp level. Then run an RCA patch cord from the converter to the crossover.

Make sure the patch cords supplying the musical signal to the crossover and amplifier are kept well away from potential sources of noise, such as brake light wires or rear window defroster wires.

If the amp is in the trunk, run the input signal leads down the same side of the car as any speaker wires you've installed. Run the power and turn-on leads down the other side of the car with the same wires for the amp to avoid interference.

WOW, this is perfect, now i have a good idea of what I can and can't do...

Thanks man.....
Old 10-11-2006 | 08:31 PM
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NICE Nija edit. Very nice.
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WOW, this is perfect, now i have a good idea of what I can and can't do...

Thanks man.....
It's also the very first link that comes up in google. Instead of wasting your time typing that PMS infested e-thuggin post, you could have saved yourself the embarrasment and just done 10 seconds worth of research.
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Originally Posted by Fr33way™
This Is So Typical, Someone Acts Like A **** To Me, I Respond By Showing Him What's Up And Now I Need To Chill Out....lol I Love It!!!! Im Not Mad, I Never Was. I Just Can't Beleive People Respond Like This To A Real Question. If I Said How Do I Work My Volume On My Stereo Then Go Ahead And Kill Me. You Have To Pick Your Spots To Talk **** And Iv Seen This Guy's Posts Before, Thats All He Does And No One Tells Him Anything, So I Had To Do It...

How Can You Stand Capitalizing The First Letter Of Every Word?

Took me forever to type that.

It did it by itself...not me. Im not that dumb ot have that much freetime
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Originally Posted by Stagnet04
It did it by itself...not me. Im not that dumb ot have that much freetime
oh the ironing.
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It did it by itself...not me. Im not that dumb ot have that much freetime
Do you type into a different text window than I do?
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PMS infested e-thuggin post, you could have saved yourself the embarrasment and just done 10 seconds worth of research

WOW, im done. Im not gonna do this little back and forth kid **** anymore.
Old 10-11-2006 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Stagnet04
Im Not Mad, I Never Was.
Im so Fncking SICK AND TIRED OF DUMB ***** LIKE THIS^^^^^^
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Originally Posted by Stagnet04
PMS infested e-thuggin post, you could have saved yourself the embarrasment and just done 10 seconds worth of research

WOW, im done. Im not gonna do this little back and forth kid **** anymore.
Hey man, like I said, you have to help us help you. You want to take something on an internet forum to heart, be my guest.
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WTF?

how fawking hard is it to hook up a crossover? you have two RCAs going in and 4 (or more) going out.. full range in, high and low going out. if you can't figure that out, then you need to just take the **** to a shop and pay someone to do it for you.

What's even more fun is that it's not the wiring that's difficult. if you can't figure out the wiring, you're sure as hell not going to figure out frequencies, slopes, phasing, etc.. It takes good ears and years of practice to get one set right, and you're asking us to draw a freaking picture?
Old 10-11-2006 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
WTF?

how fawking hard is it to hook up a crossover? you have two RCAs going in and 4 (or more) going out.. full range in, high and low going out. if you can't figure that out, then you need to just take the **** to a shop and pay someone to do it for you.

What's even more fun is that it's not the wiring that's difficult. if you can't figure out the wiring, you're sure as hell not going to figure out frequencies, slopes, phasing, etc.. It takes good ears and years of practice to get one set right, and you're asking us to draw a freaking picture?
I have drawn diagrams for people before. But that was a VERY special (read: rides the short bus) user. Never again.



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