nishfish871

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I think it is time for a front-stage upgrade. I am looking into something that is 8 inches so that i can slowly tune my sub out. I am looking into a Morel MW-267 on Parts Express. The only thing is i will need to find an 2ch. amp that will match the power output it needs, 180rms at 8ohms. I am open to suggestions on amps up to $500 and other speakers up to $400 a pair. As of right know im looking for an 7-9 inch speaker in either 8ohms or lower. And if the speaker is rated over 130rms at 4ohms ill need to look for an amp to power them.

One question, if an amp is capable of 300rms at 4ohms to 2 channels can you divide that in half to get 150rms in 8ohms?

nismos14

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You should look for 4 ohm speakers, otherwise you're gonna need an amp that does like 400 rms x2 @ 4 ohm just for your front stage.

Pearl96Max

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Not true at all.

nismos14

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Ya your right, I did read that 8 ohm vs 4ohm deal on eca a while back.

He could prob run'em with that very same amp and get pretty good output?

nishfish871

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what amp are you recalling?

nismos14

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The one that you have that does 130

nishfish871

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the kar 600.4? the 4200SE does over 200 but it looks expensive.

Pearl96Max

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Very pricey indeed.

sterlingmaxima

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nice choice the morels sound good.

nishfish871

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ya ive been doin a bit of researching for a while before i just start posting away. What about the Eclipse XA4000 it is rated 350rms x 2 at 4ohms. I like how they look now, also very user friendly esp. if i put it under my seat. The price of the morels is where many other brands should be. Do you think the morels i chose can be used in a 2 way or 3 way front stage?

nismos14

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Thats not up to the speaker really, its up to your budget. Going 3- way requires more equipment unless you already have a processor and 6 channels of amplification + some amplification for a subwoofer.

nishfish871

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bleh then forget it. i will stay with a 2 way system. I was looking at the crossover point that is what made me think that i would need a midrange.

nismos14

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with 25-3k fr you will be more than happy with'em with the proper tweeter to go with them. I'm assuming you are running active? Hit me up on aim so we don't have to go back and forth here, if you'd like.

AIM nizzy81

Pearl96Max

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What tweet and processing is being used here?

nishfish871

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Cal 2045, and to be stupid why do i need a processor if i use the amp crossover for the mids and the crossovers from the slc265 for the tweets or if the amp allows use that. Unless I have no clue what a processor is... i know this is going to get me in trouble.

nismos14

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You can't use the SLC crossover for those.

nishfish871

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just for the tweets?

Pearl96Max

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Just for the tweets you can, but then whats driving the midbass? Also for the price your spending on them Morels why not look at the XPlain line. 8" of paper cone goodness.

nishfish871

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hmmmm i did look at them but i was looking for something more powerful, that will also go low. PM me a price on the CS220 X-Plain please. Might just use that because it will work with my current amp.

nishfish871

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Why do they put the X-Line so far down on the speakers list? Is it better than the slc's or not?

Pearl96Max

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Yes they are certainly better than the SLCs. Theyre down there simply because they are 'different'. Its not exactly categorized for a 'better' stepladder.

nishfish871

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price please then oh and are the tweeters not harsh cause i cant stand a harsh tweeter... they are the fabric model but just making sure.

nishfish871

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does anyone know why the morel takes soo much more power than the x-line. Is it because it is a better speaker all around or just because it is power hungry? Are there any other speakers that can compare to what i want?

Pearl96Max

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Ill get it over as soon as I get a chance.


CAL25Silk FTW

Pearl96Max

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super ginormous VCs.

jrpaytonAlpha06

Very good speaker, not sure if you can say it's a better speaker all around though.

nishfish871

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which speaker has more bass hands down, the morel right? If im going to upgrade I want it to be a very noticable change. Im did that by going from 6.5's to 8's first. I need some more comparable speakers because it seems the morels are very powerful for the price of course. So far, thanks for your help everyone. Does ginormous VCs = more low end?

nismos14

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Don't get caught up in numbers. The X-Plains will give you plenty of bass, but they are meant for MIDBASS not sub bass. As are the morel's.

nishfish871

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very true. i want the sub crossed real low so i can make the sound come from in front of me more than what it is. What is better the germs or the x-line 8? BTW my crossover point right now is at 50hz for the sub and slc's.

slickrick

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ive been runnin my germs full range for 2 weeks now (no sub in car now) and they love it..but I understand how to use a volume ****.

nishfish871

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anybody else have to comment on this? don = slow at getting prices.

nismos14

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Well anything below like 80 hz is mostly non-directional so it doesn't matter where its coming from.

Xplains will have a more natural sound, with a less detailed tweeter, I'm currently running the cal25 from the xplain line, sound GREAT.

nishfish871

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difference between the cal2045 and cal25? What do you mean by less detailed. Is that a good thing?

nismos14

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Less detailed is not a good thing.... but its negligeble if you were to listen to the cal25 fabric you'd be happy with it.

They're two different tweeters...

Looks like you're in well over your head here!

nishfish871

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yah but when everyone starts for there first time, they are over there head. Usually the less knowledgable buy the wrong products and i try not to do that. this is my first ICE setup in my sig.

nismos14

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You should try to do some reading and researching before you drop ~$400 on mid's and it turns out sounding like crap.

It's going to be very hard for us to feed you all the information.

Whitebread

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Using 8ohm woofers really isn't a problem. Using an amp that can produce 200watts into a 4 ohm load with negligible THD would work very well.

In my opinion, you need to focus less on woofer specs and more on how you are going to provide that woofer with the airspace it needs to get that extension to 80hz. You want as much airspace as you can get so your response will be as flat as possible down to your X-over point.

Digital Designs makes a fantastic 4 ohm driver that is well suited for midbass duty. Seas, Peerless, ScanSpeak, Dayton and Morel also make 8 inch woofers that would work well.

What I highly suggest you do is compile a list of woofers within your price range and test all of them in unibox. Find the woofer that has the best combination of airspace requirements, mounting depth, efficiency, maximum SPL and extension for your needs and buy that woofer.
I am using a pair of Koda 8s, although I'd rather use a pair of Seas LN22RN4X woofers. Not only do they look sexy, but they can handle quite a bit of power and are better suited to straight midbass duty, IMO.

If you need help, feel free to ask me or make a thread about it. I dwelled long and hard on the midbass dilemma and I have quite a bit of research I can share with you. There isn't one definitively great midbass for car audio use but you can find some good ones if you do the work.