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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 03:07 PM
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Damplifier, Dynamat, Hushmat, Fatmat, Thismat, Thatmat, all these different mats to choose from. How do I choose, whats the best whats the worst, whats a waist of money?
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Any of those would need several layers to match the sound proofing capabilities of, for example, Mass loaded vinyl...

Don't really want to get in to the discussion, as it may offend those who have spent money on deadener, but it all depends on what you want to do...

Do you want to dampen vibrations? If so deadener will work very well for that application, there is a sticky that should help you decide which is best, second skin (damplifier) being near/at the top...

Do you want a quieter ride? Improve sound quality? Keep bass IN? Although these will absorb some road noise, they won't match of sound proofing quality of MLV, plain and simple...Ensolite(foam products) will work, but they are not thick enough to do a good job. You can layer them but if you compress the foam with door panels, carpet, etc, you will be back to square one...
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Looks like we need your input on this topic. Start a thread, I am interested now. Pics are always nice too.
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 06:07 PM
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i used the rammat and it is crazy how much it dampened my trunk! it hardly even rattles i also deadened my doors with the ramm and some ensolite it also worked very well i spent a lil over 300 on mine but havent fully installed it all so i would say what i have in use now is like 200.
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 06:54 PM
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I put packing popcorn in my doors and it really quieted down the interior...or I used second skin I don't remember.
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http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=310281&page=2

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=370523

http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by filtor1
Looks like we need your input on this topic. Start a thread, I am interested now. Pics are always nice too.
Its basic physics...

Here is a good site, this is how MLVs and other absorbent/barrier materials are rated:

http://www.stcratings.com/

A quote from the 1st page...

Adding Mass
The weight or thickness of a partition is the major factor in its ability to block sound. For example, a thick concrete wall will block more sound than a thin gypsum/2x4 wall. Mass is commonly added to existing walls by adding additional layers of gypsum. When the mass of a barrier is doubled, the isolation quality (or STC rating) increases by approximately 5 dB, which is clearly noticeable.



Increasing or Adding Air Space
An air space within a partition can also help to increase sound isolation. This, in effect creates two independent walls. However, the STC will be much less than the sum of the STC for the individual walls. The airspace can be increased or added to an existing partition. A common way to add an airspace is with resilient channels and a layer of gypsum. An airspace of 1 ½" will improve the STC by approximately 3 dB. An air space of 3" will improve the STC by approximately 6 dB. An airspace of 6" will improve the STC by approximately 8 dB.



Adding Absorptive Material in the Partition
Sound absorptive material can be installed inside of a partition's air space to further increase its STC rating. Installing insulation within a wall or floor/ceiling cavity will improve the STC rating by about 4-6 dB, which is clearly noticeable. It is important to note that often times, specialty insulations do not perform any better than standard batt insulation.
Obviously # 2 is basically impossible in a car. #3 is a little difficult because water runs through the doors, causing any material inside to be prone to mold...

Overkill Pro is the only product that I would think would work well for sound proofing, however they don't post the STC rating anywhere, which is a little shady...

At 3/8", I'm sure it wouldn't be a horrible performer at all, but it is TERRIBLY over priced...90 square feet is 219 + shipping

A comparable 3/8 inch thick closed cell foam is 229 including shipping for 250 square feet and they supply an STC rating...24 for 1/8"

http://www.foambymail.com/VolaraSP.html

You choose

If you really wanted to make your car quiet, I would do a combination of both MLV and a top layer of Closed cell foam...

Edit: Looks like Second skin has a type of MLV http://www.secondskinaudio.com/noise...-Liner-Pro.php Not a bad price actually IF it delivers, but once again no STC rating anywhere...and its made of a mix of vinyl and closed cell foam...
Cheapest I have found is 1/8"/112sqft. for 157 http://www.cyber-bridge-marine.com/m...rrier-1-8.html

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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Read, learn, purchase.

Give Doug or Paul a call and they can educate you further than you can imagine. Theyre primary focuses are in commercial,residential,industrial,air and sea. Automotive is a perk. 17+ years of making some of the best products in the industry.
Old Mar 6, 2008 | 10:29 PM
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www.cascadeaudio.com

Read, learn, purchase.

Give Doug or Paul a call and they can educate you further than you can imagine. Theyre primary focuses are in commercial,residential,industrial,air and sea. Automotive is a perk. 17+ years of making some of the best products in the industry.
Now THEY look legitimate! Question is, how affordable is it?
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 05:52 AM
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Depends where you source it from.
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Depends where you source it from.
*cough* You *cough*
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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Ahhh then Im sure something nice could be done. Gotta gimme a call though.
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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don, please check your pm box. I sent you a message regarding shippng some cascade to canada.
thanks
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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replied sir.
Old Mar 8, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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sounddeadenershowdown dot com, read, make your decision...Raammat is the best value, secondskin damplifier pro is rated best, but its pretty expensive....just the basics.
Old Mar 9, 2008 | 05:47 AM
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I went with Cascade. Lighter weight and seemed to work well for me.
Old Mar 11, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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I think raam mat still has the best bang for your buck. Cascade and second skin are good products, but dont hit the value of raam mat.
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