Cdg2125

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Hey guys need some expertise from you audio guys. Got a new headunit coming and new speakers as well. Sub and amp will be a little later. But I need help with install. I don't want to have anywhere install it because they want an arm and a leg. I want to learn this stuff too so it would be nice to do the install myself. So my question is what do I need for install? Since the entire bose system is being replaced I was assuming that I could install things easier. I was planning on a new antenna harness and new 12 gauge streetwire copper wire to run to the new speakers. My question is what else do I need? Do I need a new wiring harness from the new headunit if its going to new speakers? The only thing I crutchfield I found was the antenna harness. Also wondering if small stuff like connectors are needed and what. I'm new to this so I'm not sure what exactly I need.

Next is the sound deadening. I was planning on doing Damplifier on the doors and rear deck. How much sq ft do I need for my 4th gen? I was planning on 40 sq ft. Need more? Also are noise filterers legit? There is one I found at crutchfield that is 15amp/250watt noise filterer. Does it do anything?

Thanks for all the help. I forget to mention its an avic-d3 with premier 6.75" components front and premier 6.5" coaxials in the back. Thanks

:edit: someone on here is selling 100ft of mobile spec 16gauge twisted wire. Is that better than the streetwire 12 gauge? $55 for 100ft...

djfrestyl

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Phew, ok let me try my best. Not saying I'm a guru but I can get by doing some installs...

First off, 12 gauge wire is overkill. You'll be fine with 16. Yes, you need a wiring harness in addition to an antenna adapter. You're putting in a double DIN so you don't need a pocket or a dash kit. As far as connectors, some butt connectors will help for your HU wiring, and some spade connectors will help for your speakers. You need the standard stripping/crimping tools.




40 square feet of deadening will be enough to do your rear deck and trunk lid well. That will minimize a lot of rattle, those two areas are problem areas. My car has about 10 square feet per door. I don't recall how much I used for my trunk, but it was an entire pack of Stinger Roadkill. Dampening is not a noise filter, it's more like sound insulation or sound proofing material. Prevents your panels from rattling, resonating, echoing, etc. Basically makes the atmosphere in your car more 'solid.' I have no idea what noise filter you're looking at, but chances are, you don't need it. The double din navi head unit installs can get hairy and complicated if you're not sure what you're doing. Be patient and ask questions.

This should be a good start for now...

travmaximas1998

i used around 60 sq feet of raamat in my trunk.

travmaximas1998

and the D3 is super nice! i want one i helped my friend install one in a tacoma they are so sexy!

Cdg2125

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thanks for the help so far dj. Ok let me see if I can get my questions straight here..

1. What am I looking at for install with the avic? Is it that much harder to install? I'm just following the wire color codes from instructions right? Basically like power wires and grounds and such right?

2. Is a new harness added on to the wiring I do? Or am I wiring the headunit to the wiring harness?

3. Can I just get a new hu harness from an audio store near me or what?

4. Idea is to go from hu to harness, then to each speaker right? So 8 wires from the hu are going to speakers right?

thanks for all the help. Audio is a new realm for me

djfrestyl

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1. Just has more wires. Not sure if it has a tachometer wire, parking brake ground, reverse ground, etc etc etc.

2. Head unit -> HU harness -> bare wires -> (your connections) -> bare wires -> after market harness -> your car's harnes.

Basically you get one that is your car specific that takes the standard wire colors and takes them and converts them to the shaped harness that your car uses.

3. Yea, you can get them anywhere. Pep Boys, even Walmart. Should be $10 or less.

4. The HU will have 8 wires. 2 for each speaker. The wiring strategy you use here depends on if you have a factory Bose system or not. Pls confirm and we'll go from there.

Cdg2125

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I do have factory bose. Does that matter if I'm putting all new stuff in?

djfrestyl

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Just means you wire it a bit differently.

In 4th gens, the wire going into each door has a preamp signal, unmodified directly from the Bose HU. In each door there is a small amp for that speaker, actually attached to the speaker. The wire colors should be in the stickies. They give the amp the signal. You take the wire in the door, splice in a bit more and wire it directly to the speaker, bypassing that amp completely because you're taking it out when you remove the speaker. It's all one piece, you'll see.

OR, you can run fresh wiring from behind the HU directly into each door.

OR, when/if you put in an amp, the signal goes from the aftermarket HU you put in, through RCA wires (that you install) to the amp, then speaker wire into each door from the amp.

Cdg2125

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ah see that makes sense. My plan was to run fresh wire from the headunit and bypass the stock harness. Just go from each wire on the avic and cut and wire the correct wires to the stock ones. That make sense? Or the amp idea would work too. What kind of amp would I need? dj if its easier to pm me with all the info do that.

djfrestyl

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No cutting necessary. Instead of having the wire from the Avic connect to the wire harness, connect it to speaker wire directly. You'd want a 4 channel amp, somewhere in the area of 400 watts total.

I'm responding via post so that future/other members can benefit from the info.

Also, any thought on my proposition?

Cdg2125

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yeah I might come to you and do the work together. So a 4channel 400 watt amp. Probably another $200. So what are your thoughts on speakers? What is a better set of components and coaxials? I don't want to spend too much on them tho. I can't afford the rainbow type at this point. What is going to be better then the premiers?

djfrestyl

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Personally, I'd get a pair of Rainbows and skip the rear speakers altogether. That will save some cash. And if you get a decent amp it will really make those 'bows sing. You'll never miss your rears, trust me.

I don't think you've ever mentioned your budget. What are you looking to spend on an amp and 4 speakers? That will point us in the right direction to suggest equipment for you.

Cdg2125

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well i dropped 500 for the headunit so I don't want to drop too much more. I would love to get a full set of rainbows but not sure which are best and the price. Which do you recommend of them? I will pm Don and see if he can get me a deal. If I get a set of front rainbows, and keep my bose rears and get an amp, can I run the rear bose off the amp until I get another set of rainbows for the rear?

Cdg2125

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btw, how is hifonics?

djfrestyl

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Bose speakers can't be run off an aftermarket amp. I'd recommend getting the SLC Rainbows, they're the most popular.

Not willing to entertain the idea of not running rears at all? Many of us do it.

Unfortunately I don't know much about Hifonics, maybe someone else could chime in.

nismos14

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Hifonics shouldn't be spoken in this thread, considering you are contemplating rainbows.

There's a saying in car audio, if you don't get the right equipment the first time around you will end up spending more money in the end because you will buy more to get better.

My suggestion, work out a decent budget for an amp and nice comps, run the rear off the bose amp if you must. You can run the bose speakers off an external amp, however its pretty redundant.

Cdg2125

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New update. I think I may be getting boston acoustics front and back. sx60 front components and sx65 for the rear. Thoughts?

djfrestyl

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Cool, good choice.

Cdg2125

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my roomate has a guy he knows that gets audio at cost (some brands) so he's checking into him to see what it would cost but they would still run me only about $300 from crutchfield. Good choice you think? I've only heard one pair in tweeter and they were pretty nice.

djfrestyl

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You can get Rainbows for less than $300. And for a couple bucks more (~30?) you can probably get a set of rear coaxials as well. PM Don he knows 100% pricing.

If you're paying that much for Boston's I'd say you're overpaying. I do like the sound of them though.

Cdg2125

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well my roomate can only get the B.A. S50 Pro's and a set of 6.5 Rx67 as well. He said the pros are amazing but they are only 5. something. The guy wants $200 for the pros and rx67's. I read good things about the rx67's i guess but should I spend the money on the smaller pros or get the sx60's? I the extra size of the sx60's going to be better?


Don can only get me under $300 if I buy the old set of rainbows as well.

djfrestyl

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The larger the woofer, the better the (mid)bass. Plus, it's what fits, I'd get the correct size.

Cdg2125

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do you think I should buy the rx67's over the sx65's? They would be cheaper. Brand new in box as well. But they might not fit. I don't know the specs but the pics looked kind of big. Do I need shallow speakers for the rear?

djfrestyl

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I wish I could give you a better answer, but I don't recall 100% what fits and what doesn't fit in a 4th gen...

travmaximas1998

how deep are they?
i dont think u need shallow mounts if i recall

slickrick

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get some Rainbows.

kenjio6

i got the avic d3 too, i love it go to avic411, they got stickies of how to install and bypass the parking brake,hope this help

djfrestyl

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I know for a fact you can fit standard depth speakers in the rear deck, just not 100% on diameter.

nismos14

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6.5's all around, 6.75 can fit the fronts, all you need to do is get some mdf rings, and also you can't go too far beyond 3" depth unless you get a larger front spacers so with .75 spacers you can do 3"depth, with a 1" you can d 3.25 etc. etc.

Cdg2125

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ok thanks for the help guys. Kenjio thanks for that avic site. Neeeded that. I think I'm going to go to justin because he has the bostons for $319 shipped. I still need to listen to them somehow tho. I think tweeter has them. I'll go today. I know there is a lot of hipe but I don't know if I want rainbows. Anyone know where to find focal's? I like them alot but only tweeter seems to have them. Thats a lot. Anyone know?

:edit: Forgot to ask. Will I need adapters for any speaker if I go with 6.5? My roomate is telling me I need an adapter no matter what since the bolt holes won't line up. Is this right?

travmaximas1998

i would just say u really dont need an adapter just cut u some mdf rings and that would be good

Cdg2125

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ok guys so I went to tweeter and another audio store here. Tweeter had focals and I listened. Liked them but the best sounding ones were top line which are like $600. The cheaper ones sounded less then some other brands I looked at. I'm looking into some rockford fosgate stuff now. I really like the power series. Guy showed me the coaxials and a 10" sub and they sounded great. Said the components sounded even better. I'm looking into that route now too. So many choices. Thoughts on the R.F?

So I'm here...
1. Rockford Fosgate Power series components and coaxials
2. MB Quart PCE216 components and ? rear
3. Boston Acoustic Pro60 components and ? rear
4. Alpine Type-R components Alpine R's rear.

I don't know what's the best choice. I don't know which has better sound or what. Seems like if I wanted R.F power series that the MB quarts would be better but I don't know what to put in the rear. I want a 5 channel amp so I can sub too. I was thinking hifonics zxi 8006 amp. 5 channel, 2ohm runs 110wx4 channel and 300x sub. Decent price and I think Hifonics has decent amps. Also a 10" Power series sub or 10" JL sub. Will the hifonics be good enough to run everything?

last thing right now...if I buy front components, run them off an amp, can I keep stock bose for now and run them off the amp until I get new rears? If so I'd like to get the best components I can right now because my rear bose are ok as of right now.

edit: sorry this is so much and confusing. I'm going insane trying to figure this stuff out

Cdg2125

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even more info. I found that the B.A pro series have the tweeter attached or detachable. Might pick up the pro50's from my roomate, keep the tweeter on them in the rear and get the set of pro60's as well for the front. That way I will have some better speakers in the rear but they won't be as expensive and I think that that combo off the 5 channel amp with the 10" sub will be good. Only thing I noticed is that the B.A. run 3 ohm and the amp runs 2 ohms. Is that ok or no?