How horrible is a sub w/o Amplifier direct to HU??
10-12-2008, 11:31 PM
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How horrible is a sub w/o Amplifier direct to HU??
I dont want to get into all the Amplifying madness.I just wanna add some bass to my sound.
Does anyone know how horrible does a single 10" (shallow) sub sound with with HU Preamp alone (no amplifier)?
I Dont want to overcrowd the trunk with amp and subs. Also I dont need it to be ridiculous loud. It just needs to sounds really good. So Im considering the shallow single 10" sub and enclosure.
Is it worth it?? Or will it be ****ty without the Amp.
Im using the Pioneer DEH-P700BT HU.
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=19632
RMS Power Output: 4x22 Watts
Subwoofer Preamp Outputs: Yes
Maximum Power: 4x50 Watts
Im also using 4 x Alpine SPR-17C 6-1/2.
http://www.etronics.com/p-1080-alpin...aker-pair.aspx
The shallow subwoofer Im lookin at mounting right behind the seats in the trunk.
Pioneer Premier TS-SW1041D
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...S-SW1041D.html
Encloure Pioneer UD-SW10B
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...+UD-SW10B.html
Does anyone know how horrible does a single 10" (shallow) sub sound with with HU Preamp alone (no amplifier)?
I Dont want to overcrowd the trunk with amp and subs. Also I dont need it to be ridiculous loud. It just needs to sounds really good. So Im considering the shallow single 10" sub and enclosure.
Is it worth it?? Or will it be ****ty without the Amp.
Im using the Pioneer DEH-P700BT HU.
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=19632
RMS Power Output: 4x22 Watts
Subwoofer Preamp Outputs: Yes
Maximum Power: 4x50 Watts
Im also using 4 x Alpine SPR-17C 6-1/2.
http://www.etronics.com/p-1080-alpin...aker-pair.aspx
The shallow subwoofer Im lookin at mounting right behind the seats in the trunk.
Pioneer Premier TS-SW1041D
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...S-SW1041D.html
Encloure Pioneer UD-SW10B
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...+UD-SW10B.html
10-13-2008, 06:26 AM
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It won't blow. You can, with the right headunit run 35 rms to a sub, some older pioneer could do it, yours cannot. It would no be loud enough for any of us, but maybe it could accomplish what you want it to.
Why not put in some better, high efficiency front and rear speakers ran off the headunit? You may end up with very good output.
Why not put in some better, high efficiency front and rear speakers ran off the headunit? You may end up with very good output.
10-13-2008, 08:15 AM
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It won't blow. You can, with the right headunit run 35 rms to a sub, some older pioneer could do it, yours cannot. It would no be loud enough for any of us, but maybe it could accomplish what you want it to.
Why not put in some better, high efficiency front and rear speakers ran off the headunit? You may end up with very good output.
Why not put in some better, high efficiency front and rear speakers ran off the headunit? You may end up with very good output.
thanks.
10-13-2008, 08:17 AM
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thanks.
10-13-2008, 08:37 AM
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a preamp out is just that, an output with no amplification. You will get no sound out of the sub not even a little. Just get JL audio interior speakers and be done with it. I havevall JLs on my interior and it sounds great good cleansound with a nice ballance between bass and treble.
10-13-2008, 09:37 AM
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a preamp out is just that, an output with no amplification. You will get no sound out of the sub not even a little. Just get JL audio interior speakers and be done with it. I havevall JLs on my interior and it sounds great good cleansound with a nice ballance between bass and treble.
aiight kool. My HU has the constant output of 22 W p/channel. SO as long as I stick with speakers with an RMS Power Range : 2-75 Im in good grounds without an amp. Correct me if Im wrong, I should avoid any speakers that are 40+ RMS.
I think Ill be getting a Amp for the shallow sub now.
Which 1 do I get, the Mono or 2 channel amp?
Wont take up too much space at all. should all fit in that spot right behind the seats in the trunk.
Thanks ya'll
Last edited by da God; 10-13-2008 at 09:41 AM.
10-13-2008, 01:24 PM
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if you run the speakers and the sub off the same amp it wont sound right. most amps Ive used and seen only have one set of levels for the amp output so if you have it set for bass the interiors will sound horrible and if you have it set for the interiors the sub will sound crappy. unless you found an amp that has crossovers for interiors and subs simultaneously. like I said before get high quality JL interiors and just get a mono 250w for the sub and youll be fine.
10-13-2008, 06:26 PM
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if you run the speakers and the sub off the same amp it wont sound right. most amps Ive used and seen only have one set of levels for the amp output so if you have it set for bass the interiors will sound horrible and if you have it set for the interiors the sub will sound crappy. unless you found an amp that has crossovers for interiors and subs simultaneously. like I said before get high quality JL interiors and just get a mono 250w for the sub and youll be fine.
10-13-2008, 06:47 PM
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It won't blow. You can, with the right headunit run 35 rms to a sub, some older pioneer could do it, yours cannot. It would no be loud enough for any of us, but maybe it could accomplish what you want it to.
Why not put in some better, high efficiency front and rear speakers ran off the headunit? You may end up with very good output.
Why not put in some better, high efficiency front and rear speakers ran off the headunit? You may end up with very good output.
10-13-2008, 08:31 PM
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if you run the speakers and the sub off the same amp it wont sound right. most amps Ive used and seen only have one set of levels for the amp output so if you have it set for bass the interiors will sound horrible and if you have it set for the interiors the sub will sound crappy. unless you found an amp that has crossovers for interiors and subs simultaneously. like I said before get high quality JL interiors and just get a mono 250w for the sub and youll be fine.
10-13-2008, 10:14 PM
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10-14-2008, 04:06 AM
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my only question is why? if you are gonna do it, do it right. I wasnt goin for a super loud sound, but got the best amp and sub I could afford, and at a great deal. I still get the crisp clear sound with the powerful bass that I wanted, and if I decide to crank that system up to 40, I know you can hear it down the street lol
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