Got Scammed By An Org Member
01-30-2006, 02:47 PM
#1
Got Scammed By An Org Member
Well, his name is BIGJOHN and he had for sale a set of OEM 2002 HID HOUSINGS listed in the "parts for sale section". What I received was a set of DEPO housings. Here is a link to the original thread:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=451808
In additon to lying about the OEM status of the housings he lied about the condition of the lights for there are dried water droplets on the inside of the housings and some additional scuffs that he somehow failed to mention. No problem if you want to split them to install some rings or clear the turn lenes, but issues like these should be disclosed.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=451808
In additon to lying about the OEM status of the housings he lied about the condition of the lights for there are dried water droplets on the inside of the housings and some additional scuffs that he somehow failed to mention. No problem if you want to split them to install some rings or clear the turn lenes, but issues like these should be disclosed.
01-30-2006, 02:48 PM
#2
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01-30-2006, 02:56 PM
#4
Yes, I paid him $250.00 plus $40 for shipping and gave him an extra $5 to cover his paypal fee. I would like to get $295.oo for the set shipped USPS FIRST CLASS.
I realize that he was selling for $200 but offered him the extra $50 to get the purchase seeing as i was supposed to be getting OEM product. Well, i didn't get it and am pissed at myself for it.
Pics on their way!
I realize that he was selling for $200 but offered him the extra $50 to get the purchase seeing as i was supposed to be getting OEM product. Well, i didn't get it and am pissed at myself for it.
Pics on their way!
01-30-2006, 03:03 PM
#7
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
Listen, I sent you numerous pictures of the housings (front, back, sides, all angles). You saw exactly what you were paying for and recieving. Nothing more, nothing less. Those housings were in great condition, and I stated that they were used. As far as depo or oem, I did not know there was a difference. All I know is that they came off a 2002 maxima.......................................I tried to offer them to an org. member to be a nice guy, and I get screwed... Don't bash my name, I didn't bash yours!!!
01-30-2006, 03:10 PM
#11
"I am looking to sell a set of OEM Nissan 2002-2003 Maxima Headlight Housings. The H.I.D's are not included. These are practically brand new, Almost no signs of wear"
OEM stated = OEM nissan housings
"practically brand new" = infers they are in "like new condition"
"almost no signs of wear" = no such thing. There are either signs of wear, or there aren't. You should have said "some signs of wear"
I don't think I'd call BigJohn a "scammer" but the language he used is kind of non-descriptive, kind of like a used car dealer saying "this car has 50,000 miles, all highway, and was driven by a grandmother who never abused it"
OEM stated = OEM nissan housings
"practically brand new" = infers they are in "like new condition"
"almost no signs of wear" = no such thing. There are either signs of wear, or there aren't. You should have said "some signs of wear"
I don't think I'd call BigJohn a "scammer" but the language he used is kind of non-descriptive, kind of like a used car dealer saying "this car has 50,000 miles, all highway, and was driven by a grandmother who never abused it"
01-30-2006, 03:12 PM
#12
Originally Posted by irish44j
"I am looking to sell a set of OEM Nissan 2002-2003 Maxima Headlight Housings. The H.I.D's are not included. These are practically brand new, Almost no signs of wear"
OEM stated = OEM nissan housings
"practically brand new" = infers they are in "like new condition"
"almost no signs of wear" = no such thing. There are either signs of wear, or there aren't. You should have said "some signs of wear"
I don't think I'd call BigJohn a "scammer" but the language he used is kind of non-descriptive, kind of like a used car dealer saying "this car has 50,000 miles, all highway, and was driven by a grandmother who never abused it"
OEM stated = OEM nissan housings
"practically brand new" = infers they are in "like new condition"
"almost no signs of wear" = no such thing. There are either signs of wear, or there aren't. You should have said "some signs of wear"
I don't think I'd call BigJohn a "scammer" but the language he used is kind of non-descriptive, kind of like a used car dealer saying "this car has 50,000 miles, all highway, and was driven by a grandmother who never abused it"
01-30-2006, 03:15 PM
#14
Originally Posted by Deckdout2
Posted pictures in the initial post would probably have avoided all of this.
01-30-2006, 03:24 PM
#16
Originally Posted by Metal Maxima
Jon claims to have sent the guy pictures of the headlights, so he was full well aware of the condition.
If this is the case then the negligence is to be pointed towards both parties. One for not clearly describing the product or using correct verbage, and the other for not studying the product that they were spending almost 300.00 bucks for. I would have put it in an image editor and looked over every square inch for that much money.
The argument was also not regarding the condition of the lights. It's over a claim of a product to be something that it really isn't. Happy Easta!!
01-30-2006, 03:37 PM
#17
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pictures never do a product the true view, i think that pictures of headlights would really not look the same because of glare/weather/headlightness of them. i know when i took pictures of the bumper i was selling it didnt look quite right, looked like there were fat gouges in the side skirts too. can never be sure from pictures, always have to take the person's word on it to some extent.
01-30-2006, 03:41 PM
#18
Originally Posted by Hoooper
pictures never do a product the true view, i think that pictures of headlights would really not look the same because of glare/weather/headlightness of them. i know when i took pictures of the bumper i was selling it didnt look quite right, looked like there were fat gouges in the side skirts too. can never be sure from pictures, always have to take the person's word on it to some extent.
01-30-2006, 03:51 PM
#19
Originally Posted by Hoooper
pictures never do a product the true view, i think that pictures of headlights would really not look the same because of glare/weather/headlightness of them. i know when i took pictures of the bumper i was selling it didnt look quite right, looked like there were fat gouges in the side skirts too. can never be sure from pictures, always have to take the person's word on it to some extent.
Very true, the pics do not show the scuffs nor did john disclose that the lights have dried water droplets on the inside. He disclosed one scuff, when in fact there were several. It's nothing that can't be cured by splitting open the lights for the water droplets and wet sanding the lens, however, there are three deeper small scratches that look like they may not come out. whatever the case is, I deserve a refund from this shady seller.
John if you were a standup guy, you would return my money to me. I would even cover the shipping that I paid, just like they do it in the real world. Besides, someone who goes to the lengths that you seem to to be up on what's new in the tuner world, like your about us section says, should and probably did know the difference between the two.
John, this section was taken from your about us section:
HYPER IMPORTS TAKES THE LIFESTYLE TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL BY CUSTOMIZING AND HELPING CREATE IDEAS FOR THE NEXT GENERATION. BY KEEPING OUR STAFF ON POINT WITH ALL INFORMATION ON NEW PRODUCT LINES AND ACCOUNTS WE CAN ACCESS ALL PARTS AROUND THE WORLD.
01-30-2006, 03:53 PM
#20
Originally Posted by Edward Lee
John if you were a standup guy, you would return my money to me. I would even cover the shipping that I paid, just like they do it in the real world. Besides, someone who goes to the lengths that you seem to to be up on what's new in the tuner world, like your about us section says, should and probably did know the difference between the two.
John, while you may have provided pictures, you obviously have a dissapointed customer. He has offered MORE than a generous trade. While I agree EL is at fault for not inspecting the lenses, you have not made it expressedly clear that he is not entitled to a refund.
Do the stand-up thing...
01-30-2006, 03:57 PM
#21
Since the item was improperly advertised, why not just do a refund? 
Unless www.hyperimports.com doesn't stand behind their product.
Beat me to it..Took me a few minutes to submit...away from computer.....But yea, he's being more than generous....Refund the guy his money....He's EVEN willing to pay 100% of the overhead costs.
Unless www.hyperimports.com doesn't stand behind their product.
Beat me to it..Took me a few minutes to submit...away from computer.....But yea, he's being more than generous....Refund the guy his money....He's EVEN willing to pay 100% of the overhead costs.
01-30-2006, 04:00 PM
#23
Originally Posted by BigJohn
ok, don't start bashing the store, I am the team captain. The purchase was from me, not them
All the more damaging to the credibility and integrity of the team.
Do the right thing...
01-30-2006, 04:04 PM
#25
Originally Posted by BigJohn
ok, don't start bashing the store, I am the team captain. The purchase was from me, not them
Originally Posted by BigJohn
i'll deal with him on a 1 on 1 basis
01-30-2006, 04:06 PM
#26
Originally Posted by Metal Maxima
I will agree with this.
John, while you may have provided pictures, you obviously have a dissapointed customer. He has offered MORE than a generous trade. While I agree EL is at fault for not inspecting the lenses, you have not made it expressedly clear that he is not entitled to a refund.
Do the stand-up thing...
John, while you may have provided pictures, you obviously have a dissapointed customer. He has offered MORE than a generous trade. While I agree EL is at fault for not inspecting the lenses, you have not made it expressedly clear that he is not entitled to a refund.
Do the stand-up thing...
John correct the situation. Paypal me the $250.00, keep the 40 shipping and the extra $5 that I tossed in to cover your paypal fee. I will then return the lights to you C.O.D., or you could summon for a pick-up from my residence.
I did not bash your store. All that I said was not to shop there. I bashed you after you refused to refund me my money. Give me my money back and everyone will know that you are a stand-up guy. What the hell, I'll even pay for the return postage.
01-30-2006, 04:09 PM
#28
Originally Posted by BigJohn
i'll deal with him on a 1 on 1 basis
Originally Posted by Edward Lee
In my defense, I got a finger chopped off last month. Just had surgery last week and been on pain killers for the past several weeks. I guess I was caught up in the excitement of a new headlamp project while sitting at home healing. Yes, I should have seen the depo stamp on the lens but was distracted by the trying to see the scuff in the picture. When BIGJOHN said that they were OEM, I took his word on it and therefore a DEPO stamp wasn't something that I was looking for. Yes, I made a mistake and yes John used false and misrepresenting advertising to sell his product.
01-30-2006, 04:10 PM
#30
Ok im sorry but this should be dealt with in a manner approached by Metal Maxima.
First of all, John you misrepresented your item in several ways, took someone else's money (who put his trust in your word), and still act as if you're some kind of victim here. I dont give a $hit what anybody says about your car or your business, but believe me doing something like this to fellow orger would obviously bring about bad attitutdes toward anything that you represent.
Second, Edward obviously he is VERY iopposed to giving you a refund, if he hasent already done so. I suggest you go about this systematically: first file a paypal complaint then wait to see the verdict. If you recieve some kind of compensation then great, yet you always can deal with what John dishonorably sent you with this thread http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=443410 (its one explaining on how to get rid fo scratches on the lens). Next leave him negative feedback on the org, get other people to send negative feedback about him, and his shady dealings, to www.hyperimports.com because if he is one to trick people into buying misrepresented equipment, whats to stop his company from doing the same? He IS the TEAM CAPTIAN so he leads and everyone follows.
In the end, we will see who pulls out better. John or you. Just my .02 cents. I hope this helps and goodluck.
First of all, John you misrepresented your item in several ways, took someone else's money (who put his trust in your word), and still act as if you're some kind of victim here. I dont give a $hit what anybody says about your car or your business, but believe me doing something like this to fellow orger would obviously bring about bad attitutdes toward anything that you represent.
Second, Edward obviously he is VERY iopposed to giving you a refund, if he hasent already done so. I suggest you go about this systematically: first file a paypal complaint then wait to see the verdict. If you recieve some kind of compensation then great, yet you always can deal with what John dishonorably sent you with this thread http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=443410 (its one explaining on how to get rid fo scratches on the lens). Next leave him negative feedback on the org, get other people to send negative feedback about him, and his shady dealings, to www.hyperimports.com because if he is one to trick people into buying misrepresented equipment, whats to stop his company from doing the same? He IS the TEAM CAPTIAN so he leads and everyone follows.
In the end, we will see who pulls out better. John or you. Just my .02 cents. I hope this helps and goodluck.
01-30-2006, 04:14 PM
#31
Originally Posted by BigJohn
Grow up and learn to respect other peoples rides. Its kids like you that ruin this sport.
01-30-2006, 04:27 PM
#32
Originally Posted by Metal Maxima
Ed, if he is going to deal with you 1-on-1, please delete this thread, or ask a mod move it to the correct forum. It does not look good for the .org if the hottest thread in the 5th gen forum is 'I got scammed'
If I started it in the correct forum no one would have seen it. I will retitle it and move on. Thanks for the advice. Never really had to complain before.
I believe that John already had his chance to make it right but decided against it in his email to me, refusing to refund my money. My only other alternative is to relist the lights and inform everyone I can about the bad transaction.
As far a correcting the problems with the dried water on the inside of the housings and the scratches, I realize they can be corrected. However, correct the fact that they didn't come from Nissan.
About dealing with him 1 on 1. He had his chance at the 1 on 1. I haven't received any email from him proposing some sort of settlement. I have proposed several in this thread and to no avail. Besides, when two parties have a dispute, they go to court. In that courtroom is an audience who watches the trial. The trial isn't private, anyone can watch. This is no different, IMO. He has time to post but not to email me.
01-30-2006, 04:33 PM
#33
Originally Posted by Edward Lee
I believe that John already had his chance to make it right but decided against it in his email to me, refusing to refund my money. My only other alternative is to relist the lights and inform everyone I can about the bad transaction.
Good luck...Keep us updated. (Watching closely)...
BTW: do you know what I do to scammers??
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=608180
I also checked his guest book and web searched for anyone who sponsored him and contacted all of them.
You know who he represents, if you have to do the same thing to get your refund then so be it...Hell you offered to pay all overhead costs...That's pretty fair to me...
01-30-2006, 04:36 PM
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im pretty sure that you can file a complaint with your credit card holder and claim that you never recieved this product or that you never made this payment, then if he wants he can take your deal, otherwise he can say goodbye to his headlights and money.
01-30-2006, 04:45 PM
#37
Originally Posted by Hoooper
im pretty sure that you can file a complaint with your credit card holder and claim that you never recieved this product or that you never made this payment, then if he wants he can take your deal, otherwise he can say goodbye to his headlights and money.
Can't do that, Payapal! I don't think that they protect any purchase outside of Ebay.
01-30-2006, 04:53 PM
#38
Originally Posted by BigJohn
Again, i never scammed him, i didn't know about the difference between depo and oem. But i did send pics, very thorough pics
Yea, that's why in your original post you made sure to make the OEMwording the largest thing in the thread, except for, of course, your ad, I mean sig.
John, just give the money back and be a stand-up guy. Everyone makes mistakes. Yours was that you sold it to someone who doesn't liked being scammed and who is looking for OEM lights. Come on, you have until tomorrow night to refund $250.00 to my paypal account. I will then ship the lights back to you at my expense.
BESIDES, YOU ALSO TOOK 40.00 FOR SHIPPING and when I got the package, the postage was only $26.00. You even lied there when you told me the price for S/H from your zip to mine was $40.00. After it's all said and done, you will have made $14.00 and I will have spent $40 + $5 + return shipping. Go figure!
01-30-2006, 04:55 PM
#39
Originally Posted by BigJohn
Again, i never scammed him, i didn't know about the difference between depo and oem. But i did send pics, very thorough pics
You sold something you obviously didn't know about and made a false claim about it. No one is bashing you for not knowing the difference. But since these are NOT what YOU said they were, he deserves his money back seeing as how he paid for a OEM item and got a knockoff.
