2002 SE Auto 225whp/237wtq WTF
10-28-2011, 09:26 PM
#1
2002 SE Auto 225whp/237wtq WTF
Went to the Dyno Today and was quite disappointed 
225 whp and 237 wtq
1) Is it common for the tq to be higher then the HP
2) What had gone wrong I feel that I should be higher
Best track time with I/H/bs Exhaust, Spacers, BOP was 14.1 @ 99mph
NOW
Current Mods:
NWP Spacers
NWP BOP
NWP Torque link
Solid filled rear mount
Stillen Pop Charger/Velocity stack
OBX-R equal length Headers
Cattman 2.5" w Magnaflow Resonator
Magnaflow high-Flow cat
Utec - Street tuned by Sparks03
Track Edition Rays 18" wheels
Shift Kit
Tranny Cooler
Grounding kit
Unorthodox UDP
Red Top battery
225 whp and 237 wtq
1) Is it common for the tq to be higher then the HP
2) What had gone wrong I feel that I should be higher
Best track time with I/H/bs Exhaust, Spacers, BOP was 14.1 @ 99mph
NOW
Current Mods:
NWP Spacers
NWP BOP
NWP Torque link
Solid filled rear mount
Stillen Pop Charger/Velocity stack
OBX-R equal length Headers
Cattman 2.5" w Magnaflow Resonator
Magnaflow high-Flow cat
Utec - Street tuned by Sparks03
Track Edition Rays 18" wheels
Shift Kit
Tranny Cooler
Grounding kit
Unorthodox UDP
Red Top battery
Last edited by KiNgJaMEs; 10-28-2011 at 09:39 PM.
10-28-2011, 10:40 PM
#2
A bit rich for my blood my brother.
Do you have the DRF's? Call the dyno place, and have them email you the actual files. But yes, you are rich, too rich.
Tell John to remove some fuel and add some timing. BBMAF?
When I first dynoed, my tq was higher than my tq, currently, that's not the case.
IMO, get a 3" exhaust, a full SSIM, add some timing, (30-33 degrees post 6000), lean some fuel, and of course 3.5" intake/MAF and LW wheels.
3rd gear? I'm assuming? I see the strange jitery data from the tq convertor on that one.
Do you have the DRF's? Call the dyno place, and have them email you the actual files. But yes, you are rich, too rich.
Tell John to remove some fuel and add some timing. BBMAF?
When I first dynoed, my tq was higher than my tq, currently, that's not the case.
IMO, get a 3" exhaust, a full SSIM, add some timing, (30-33 degrees post 6000), lean some fuel, and of course 3.5" intake/MAF and LW wheels.
3rd gear? I'm assuming? I see the strange jitery data from the tq convertor on that one.
10-29-2011, 06:09 AM
#5
I like that there is no dip at 5200 rpm and the power doesn't drop off as drastically in the upper rpm range. And you don't have a SSIM or aftermarket cams. That's what i would be happy with.
10-29-2011, 06:15 AM
#6
A bit rich for my blood my brother.
Do you have the DRF's? Call the dyno place, and have them email you the actual files. But yes, you are rich, too rich.
Tell John to remove some fuel and add some timing. BBMAF?
When I first dynoed, my tq was higher than my tq, currently, that's not the case.
IMO, get a 3" exhaust, a full SSIM, add some timing, (30-33 degrees post 6000), lean some fuel, and of course 3.5" intake/MAF and LW wheels.
3rd gear? I'm assuming? I see the strange jitery data from the tq convertor on that one.
Do you have the DRF's? Call the dyno place, and have them email you the actual files. But yes, you are rich, too rich.
Tell John to remove some fuel and add some timing. BBMAF?
When I first dynoed, my tq was higher than my tq, currently, that's not the case.
IMO, get a 3" exhaust, a full SSIM, add some timing, (30-33 degrees post 6000), lean some fuel, and of course 3.5" intake/MAF and LW wheels.
3rd gear? I'm assuming? I see the strange jitery data from the tq convertor on that one.
Ive never run mine with lightweight wheels plan is to do that once complete to get a good bump on numbers. but those three should have you screaming.
10-29-2011, 07:26 AM
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A bit rich for my blood my brother.
Do you have the DRF's? Call the dyno place, and have them email you the actual files. But yes, you are rich, too rich.
Tell John to remove some fuel and add some timing. BBMAF?
When I first dynoed, my tq was higher than my tq, currently, that's not the case.
IMO, get a 3" exhaust, a full SSIM, add some timing, (30-33 degrees post 6000), lean some fuel, and of course 3.5" intake/MAF and LW wheels.
3rd gear? I'm assuming? I see the strange jitery data from the tq convertor on that one.
Do you have the DRF's? Call the dyno place, and have them email you the actual files. But yes, you are rich, too rich.
Tell John to remove some fuel and add some timing. BBMAF?
When I first dynoed, my tq was higher than my tq, currently, that's not the case.
IMO, get a 3" exhaust, a full SSIM, add some timing, (30-33 degrees post 6000), lean some fuel, and of course 3.5" intake/MAF and LW wheels.
3rd gear? I'm assuming? I see the strange jitery data from the tq convertor on that one.
I doubt he'll get anything much lighter than the track edition wheels unless he wants to go to 16/17" wheels, and I can promise you that isn't happening. My 286whp dynos were on the same wheels... lol
In terms of torque peak surpassing HP in this case, I think that is normal for a non SSIM automatic. SSIM will drop your torque peak by 6-10 or so and raise the HP peak by a few with most of the gains being under the curve up top.
11-02-2011, 07:59 PM
#11
gonna be on point if you do. if you check out knightz, he can knock you out a 3.5 intake and from there just have the block welded on.
that was noted. part of the reason i never did a test pipe lol. figure with the slew of new parts im looking at that can be my little bit to push me over my goal if need be lol.
yeah. i know manny was sick of me arguing about that damn manifold while i was gone, but the ssim will compliment that 3 inch nicely.
that was noted. part of the reason i never did a test pipe lol. figure with the slew of new parts im looking at that can be my little bit to push me over my goal if need be lol. When I initially did his tune, I had it running at 13.5 until 4000 or so, then dipped to 12.8-12.9 by redline. Did I ever mention that UTEC tunes don't last very long before you have to retune? Yeah... Aaron could attest to this, it annoys him slightly. Timing wise, his is setup with the same tables as mine (mid/high 20s through midrange, 30ish up top).I havent had an issue with the tune we loaded on slot one until yesterday. I noticed it was idling a little richer as it normally sits from 14.9~15.1. Was tagging into 13s so went ahead and switched to map 2. Issue was gone. Drove around on map 1 today and its back to normal...
I doubt he'll get anything much lighter than the track edition wheels unless he wants to go to 16/17" wheels, and I can promise you that isn't happening. My 286whp dynos were on the same wheels... lol
LOL im on those damn 19s. figure that swapping should free up a good amount just for a good bump on track and or dyno day
I've advised James to do such a couple of times, I think. I even know where he can get a cattman 3" for a good deal locally. The same dude might even consider SSIMing another intake manifold...if its who i think, that guy doesnt answer pm's at all.
. I had a huge issue with mine when running with just the nwp block plate. i really hated running the ssim untuned. so much so that i went back to the stock mani with BOP until it got tuned. If you look at teh graph with the ssim prior to tuning and the final graph you can see that it was a huge gain once tuned. think thatll be a good mod for him long as its tuned
In terms of torque peak surpassing HP in this case, I think that is normal for a non SSIM automatic. SSIM will drop your torque peak by 6-10 or so and raise the HP peak by a few with most of the gains being under the curve up top.
I doubt he'll get anything much lighter than the track edition wheels unless he wants to go to 16/17" wheels, and I can promise you that isn't happening. My 286whp dynos were on the same wheels... lol
LOL im on those damn 19s. figure that swapping should free up a good amount just for a good bump on track and or dyno day
I've advised James to do such a couple of times, I think. I even know where he can get a cattman 3" for a good deal locally. The same dude might even consider SSIMing another intake manifold...if its who i think, that guy doesnt answer pm's at all.
. I had a huge issue with mine when running with just the nwp block plate. i really hated running the ssim untuned. so much so that i went back to the stock mani with BOP until it got tuned. If you look at teh graph with the ssim prior to tuning and the final graph you can see that it was a huge gain once tuned. think thatll be a good mod for him long as its tunedIn terms of torque peak surpassing HP in this case, I think that is normal for a non SSIM automatic. SSIM will drop your torque peak by 6-10 or so and raise the HP peak by a few with most of the gains being under the curve up top.
11-03-2011, 11:54 AM
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Yes that was my initial problem with a SSIM as well. I did one while untuned and sold it before I got the UTEC. I did have the SSIM when I was spraying that 75 shot, though... Worked well.
11-20-2011, 06:13 PM
#15
12-28-2011, 05:42 PM
#16
i dynoed 238whp 231TQ
with just
Self made Intake
OBX Unequal length Headers
2.5" Crush bend Catback
Some thing aint right here or it must be on one em low reading dyno's...... id like to know who is selling this 3" Catback though
with just
Self made Intake
OBX Unequal length Headers
2.5" Crush bend Catback
Some thing aint right here or it must be on one em low reading dyno's...... id like to know who is selling this 3" Catback though
01-04-2012, 03:47 PM
#20
01-04-2012, 08:54 PM
#21
01-05-2012, 06:57 AM
#23
Dynojet?
The area under KingJames curve, it's impressive.
He breaks 200 at about 4300 RPM, when I made 257 peak, I broke 200 fwhp @ 4300, so there's a lot more than peak #'s here.
EDIT/sidenote
UTEC is pre-ECU, IIRC, if so, then that means one can record paramters (i.e. timing) before and after, and waay after a UTEC tune and see
is up, and if it is indeed changing or going back to what it was before, (via say Cipher). Same goes with the AFR, which can be done via a WB.
Last edited by NmexMAX; 01-05-2012 at 07:34 AM.
01-05-2012, 12:38 PM
#25
Very nice!
Do you have the SAE corrected numbers?
Those numbers might be slightly inflated due to the slightly higher than SAE value atmospheric pressure, and the cooler temperature than SAE.
Do you have the SAE corrected numbers?
Those numbers might be slightly inflated due to the slightly higher than SAE value atmospheric pressure, and the cooler temperature than SAE.
Last edited by NmexMAX; 01-05-2012 at 12:44 PM.
01-05-2012, 02:06 PM
#26
Nope, no corrected numbers so yea the numbers are +/- a few, but the elevation isn't that high and the temps ranged from 50-60
01-06-2012, 03:38 AM
#27
Nice torque #.
Dynojet?
The area under KingJames curve, it's impressive.
He breaks 200 at about 4300 RPM, when I made 257 peak, I broke 200 fwhp @ 4300, so there's a lot more than peak #'s here.
EDIT/sidenote
UTEC is pre-ECU, IIRC, if so, then that means one can record paramters (i.e. timing) before and after, and waay after a UTEC tune and see is up, and if it is indeed changing or going back to what it was before, (via say Cipher). Same goes with the AFR, which can be done via a WB.
Dynojet?
The area under KingJames curve, it's impressive.
He breaks 200 at about 4300 RPM, when I made 257 peak, I broke 200 fwhp @ 4300, so there's a lot more than peak #'s here.
EDIT/sidenote
UTEC is pre-ECU, IIRC, if so, then that means one can record paramters (i.e. timing) before and after, and waay after a UTEC tune and see
is up, and if it is indeed changing or going back to what it was before, (via say Cipher). Same goes with the AFR, which can be done via a WB.
01-06-2012, 07:47 PM
#30
Well just so you know, "can't get ryte" had similar numbers before adjusting timing..... just so you know, he came out with 263whp after messing with timing
Last edited by Grand_hustle17; 01-06-2012 at 07:49 PM.
01-07-2012, 04:10 PM
#34
.............. never that... i been gave up that comp waay before ur car had a chance at breaking 13's 
lol... far as i know im helping you achieve what ive been doing years ago 
01-09-2012, 07:47 AM
#35
cant get rytes was on a different type of dyno though.
I say go full SSIM (PM me, I got one FS), and of course all the associated stuff with it (BBMAF, 3" or greater intake, and 3" exhaust, etc).
You should be making a lot more hp @ 6000+.
I say go full SSIM (PM me, I got one FS), and of course all the associated stuff with it (BBMAF, 3" or greater intake, and 3" exhaust, etc).
You should be making a lot more hp @ 6000+.
01-10-2012, 02:26 PM
#36
you miss the overall point... screw just numbers... i was trying to explain that cant get ryte gained significantly with messing with timing... not just comparing numbers, numbers can differ, gains by tune can and most likely will be similar no matter the dyno
01-10-2012, 02:33 PM
#37
Do you know how much he gained? I can't wait to start palying with my UTEC.
Only problem is, I'm sure my timing is already slightly advanced with the TS ECU and the SAFCII corrections ... So my threshold might be lower. Although now with the 82mm MAF and associated 3.5" intake, I'm actually adding about 12-14% fuel via SAFC.
I also recall both Aaron and Jime seeing no difference when advancing past a certain point (somewhere in the 30º -31º range). Pretty sure Jime went as high as 33º.
I'm planning on using the Cipher to get a "baseline" timing map, and adjusting from there.
Only problem is, I'm sure my timing is already slightly advanced with the TS ECU and the SAFCII corrections ... So my threshold might be lower. Although now with the 82mm MAF and associated 3.5" intake, I'm actually adding about 12-14% fuel via SAFC.
I also recall both Aaron and Jime seeing no difference when advancing past a certain point (somewhere in the 30º -31º range). Pretty sure Jime went as high as 33º.
I'm planning on using the Cipher to get a "baseline" timing map, and adjusting from there.
01-10-2012, 07:58 PM
#39
01-11-2012, 06:52 AM
#40
Originally Posted by KiNgJaMEs
NOW
Current Mods:
NWP Spacers
NWP BOP
NWP Torque link
Solid filled rear mount
Stillen Pop Charger/Velocity stack
OBX-R equal length Headers
Cattman 2.5" w Magnaflow Resonator
Magnaflow high-Flow cat
Utec - Street tuned by Sparks03Track Edition Rays 18" wheels
Shift Kit
Tranny Cooler
Grounding kit
Unorthodox UDP
Red Top battery
Current Mods:
NWP Spacers
NWP BOP
NWP Torque link
Solid filled rear mount
Stillen Pop Charger/Velocity stack
OBX-R equal length Headers
Cattman 2.5" w Magnaflow Resonator
Magnaflow high-Flow cat
Utec - Street tuned by Sparks03Track Edition Rays 18" wheels
Shift Kit
Tranny Cooler
Grounding kit
Unorthodox UDP
Red Top battery