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The 5.7 gen Maxima Latest dyno= 301.58HP 277.27 TQ Closed cutout, stock cams.....

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The fact that the power is almost identical past 6100 is freaking interesting!
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The fact that the power is almost identical past 6100 is freaking interesting!

Yes! thats just insane.


The mods are not really the same tho. I wishhh there was a car that had same mods as me but 02 motor.


But this def shows how the 09 motor hangs with a camed 02. Now if he was running a 4" intake and Haltech it shoudl really take it higher.


EDIT: Jay P get a 4" intake and Haltech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What cams is he running? What does he tune with?
brian crower stage 2 cam and technosquare ecu L-Spec

EDIT: Both running 290s whp old tuned.

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First post updated!


Tons of info, get your learn on and let me know when you want a real tuning system for your car!
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This is the most fun ever!

This was the first dyno trip.

Running stock ecu , stock intake, no evt, stock i/m.


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Great numbers.. Hmmm.... wanna go for pinks ???
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Showing dyno numbers can be interpreted many ways!


LOOK 305 haha WOW COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!



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I MAKE 305 HP AT REDLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Forget all that stupid crap, its not accurate.






People learn how to read a dyno chart and know that just because it has a high peak number don't mean the car is making that power.



My car def makes a CLEAN 298-300 hp.
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Great numbers.. Hmmm.... wanna go for pinks ???



I think your motor cost more then my whole car?
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The real interesting thing is that your AFR is 13.58-13.72 and you say that is where it makes the most power??? What happens when you richen it up? 12.8?? Less power?? Goes to show 12.8 is not the magic number....

PS.....if you at 300whp ALL MOTOR....imagine what a turbo with 6psi would do!!!! OVER 400whp EASY!!!! If you wanna keep it N/A do some 264 cams and probably make like 330whp....that engine is BEAST!!!!

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I think your motor cost more then my whole car?

Dunno - maybe.... I've lost track. Well, I hope the coming dyno with E85 and a full load of nitrous will be interesting... Looking forward to 600WHP, anyway.

All jokes aside, you have done a fantastic job with the 5.7 build. You learned a lot about using the Haltec and controlling cam timing to make big numbers. Cams and long-tube headers could make even more HP. I think I can use your info about cam sensors when I get to my Haltec installation. That was tricky work.

Sound's like you're also learning about the fun of drag racing - it's a tricky business, but I like it.
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The real interesting thing is that your AFR is 13.58-13.72 and you say that is where it makes the most power??? What happens when you richen it up? 12.8?? Less power?? Goes to show 12.8 is not the magic number....

PS.....if you at 300whp ALL MOTOR....imagine what a turbo with 6psi would do!!!! OVER 400whp EASY!!!! If you wanna keep it N/A do some 264 cams and probably make like 330whp....that engine is BEAST!!!!


Yeppp, my motor def likes 13-2-13.6 better!

Thats on the dyno wideband.


Hhaha yeah! If i do cams idk what i woudl go with. Id want to go aggressive.

The JWT HR C1 is

262 , 11.94 lift


I just dont know enough about it to decide right now. Im sure anything over this stock FWD cam would greatly improve power.


I have a set of stock RWD HR cams. That would help a lot but not as much as some aftermarket cams.
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Originally Posted by grey99max View Post
Dunno - maybe.... I've lost track. Well, I hope the coming dyno with E85 and a full load of nitrous will be interesting... Looking forward to 600WHP, anyway.

All jokes aside, you have done a fantastic job with the 5.7 build. You learned a lot about using the Haltec and controlling cam timing to make big numbers. Cams and long-tube headers could make even more HP. I think I can use your info about cam sensors when I get to my Haltec installation. That was tricky work.

Sound's like you're also learning about the fun of drag racing - it's a tricky business, but I like it.
Hahah


WOW 600WHP?!?!?!?! literally twice what i have now!


Thanks!!!! Oh yes! If i got some good cams + longtube headers it would be crazy N/A power.


I'm still thinking of how to get a vq30 timed vq35 running a Haltech. Its possible!


Yeah, i'm def a noob at drag racing. But my first trip was surprisingly good. Looking forward to learning more and improving my driving.
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DAMN Nice Numbers.....and Congrats on Breaking 300......
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Yeppp, my motor def likes 13-2-13.6 better!

Thats on the dyno wideband.


Hhaha yeah! If i do cams idk what i woudl go with. Id want to go aggressive.

The JWT HR C1 is

262 , 11.94 lift


I just dont know enough about it to decide right now. Im sure anything over this stock FWD cam would greatly improve power.


I have a set of stock RWD HR cams. That would help a lot but not as much as some aftermarket cams.
I would go with the JWT HR C1s!!! Don't even waste your time installing the RWD cams.
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Hopefully you can get the car to the track soon and post up some video's. I'd also like to see what it could do in a standing mile run!
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wow i am very jealous.....one day i shall do that lol until then...i shall keep on dreaming lol
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Originally Posted by Rods03Max619 View Post
DAMN Nice Numbers.....and Congrats on Breaking 300......
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I would go with the JWT HR C1s!!! Don't even waste your time installing the RWD cams.
Yaaa BUTTT the rwd cams all i would have in them is my time.... AND technically it would still be "STOCK" Cams : laugh:

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Hopefully you can get the car to the track soon and post up some video's. I'd also like to see what it could do in a standing mile run!
http://forums.maxima.org/1-4-1-8-mil...-1-8-mile.html

Dont really count for much as it was my very first time! But 2012 ill have some good runs!


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wow i am very jealous.....one day i shall do that lol until then...i shall keep on dreaming lol
haha, 7th gen motor prices are getting better!


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300WHP!!! n/a crazy numbers

300whp N/A is not a big deal its 300whp STOCK FWD motor that's so insane about it.
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Yaaa BUTTT the rwd cams all i would have in them is my time.... AND technically it would still be "STOCK" Cams : laugh:

DONT CHEAT.....lol. If you going to go through all that trouble taking the engine apart why put in some STOCK cams, even if they are RWD, probably only get another 10hp or so when you can get some JWT HR C1 cams and have even MORE of a difference? I would just save up and get the JWTs then do cams later. You have PLENTY of power now. You making same power of some cammed VQ35DEs


300whp N/A is not a big deal its 300whp STOCK FWD motor that's so insane about it.

YEP....actually you have to use the numbers that dealers use when advertising cars. So that would be like 350HP at the crank. 350HP STOCK FWD Maxima. More than the 2011 370z stock HP!!! WHA!!!!
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Hhahaha yeah, id like to do cams in the next year or so.
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Hhahaha yeah, id like to do cams in the next year or so.
Are you leaning towards one set of cams or another? I have always been partial to C9s myself...with the Haltech it should be no problem getting it to idle decently.

Depending on your goals you could also have JWT custom grind a set to match SGs 300 degrees of duration, versus the stock cams which have only 238 degrees of duration, just have to figure out how much lift you want:



Assuming you saw the same gains that is 25-30 more whp. What can the 09 engine safely spin out to? I would assume 7500...
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Are you leaning towards one set of cams or another? I have always been partial to C9s myself...with the Haltech it should be no problem getting it to idle decently.

Depending on your goals you could also have JWT custom grind a set to match SGs 300 degrees of duration, versus the stock cams which have only 238 degrees of duration, just have to figure out how much lift you want:

http://www.sg-motorsport.com/blog/wp...0-1000x460.jpg

Assuming you saw the same gains that is 25-30 more whp. What can the 09 engine safely spin out to? I would assume 7500...

c9s will require a lot of work, so c8s would be the most aggressive id get.


I have to run a HR style cam though.


I want something thats really gonna wake up top end but thats going to come at a price of low end. And I love the low end power as this is a DD car. So idk, ive got plenty of time to figure it out though.

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Saw this on my phone before bedtime last night. I let out a gaaagghh!!! @#[email protected]!#%, and the wifey was like ... And i said, 300hp She turned off the lights and went to bed.

I said the faster I hit the hay, the faster I'lll be on here to see this in detail.

Wow, that's the only words to describe this journey. Cripes, a 4" intake, that's insane, but, again, outside the box from conventional thinking, something that is always welcomed. This is MAFLESS, correct, so, obviously no MAF housing debacle, and probably smoother tuning due to the nature of a MAP sensor.

I would also like to see what AFR and timing (static, non VVT) curves were used to achieve that.

What I've seen/found, less timing @ torque peak seems to be the ticket, but, I have no control over mine, it's just the way my curve(Timing) is (lowest timing @ peak torque #).

Can't wait to hear/see details!

Thanks fro sharing all the info Darren, it's priceless.

I forgot to reply to this! ahh

hahaahah


running 29-24 deg of IGN timing.


I need to post up some pics and stuff!



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Daaaaaaammmmmnnnn!!!!!!!!

Any thoughts on how the internals would like it if you revved it out to 7500? That thing would stay in the ~300hp powerband at every shift. (Actually, it probably does already with the 6 speed) I wonder where the power starts to fall off.

Dont really know. The oil pump gears do not weigh much as the rev up. I think the oil pump will be ok at 7500 but the valve train would probably float pretty bad. Considering its stock and from a CVT that stays around 6200 rpm at WOT.


Much as i want to rev to 7500, 8000 I just cant.


Plan is when I actually do cams is to most likely do a rev up oil pump. And of course valve springs n such but not remove the heads or pistons n such. So that will def be good for 7500 and possibly more idk with being stock rods and pistons.
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c9s will require a lot of work, so c8s would be the most aggressive id get.


I have to run a HR style cam though.
Yeah with the C9s it means you need to remove the head to clearance it, which if it is your DD that definitively does not make sense to do...unless you picked up a spare head. Which isn't a horrible idea...
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I'm sold.

Been trying to tell ya for over a year now!
you've been telling him? he's had to listen to me rant this whole time too, lol
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Yeah with the C9s it means you need to remove the head to clearance it, which if it is your DD that definitively does not make sense to do...unless you picked up a spare head. Which isn't a horrible idea...

Yeah at that point id want to do rods and pistons too. I actually have a spare set of HR heads already tho. Id rather just do cams and keep "stock ish" motor.

Well thats what i say now hahah


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you've been telling him? he's had to listen to me rant this whole time too, lol

Hhaha yeah! Ive been trying to tell all of maxima.org really. I think its finally coming that this is the way to go.

Esp with all those oil burning worn out piston ring early vq's out there.


Thats one of the best parts of the whole swap, my oil level is not changed at all. The motor has OVER 100 dyno pulls on it too!
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Yeah at that point id want to do rods and pistons too. I actually have a spare set of HR heads already tho. Id rather just do cams and keep "stock ish" motor.

Well thats what i say now hahah





Hhaha yeah! Ive been trying to tell all of maxima.org really. I think its finally coming that this is the way to go.

Esp with all those oil burning worn out piston ring early vq's out there.


Thats one of the best parts of the whole swap, my oil level is not changed at all. The motor has OVER 100 dyno pulls on it too!
ftw FWD VQ35HR!
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Wouldn't happen to have timing logs for these runs would ya?

Planning on hitting the dyno soon, but I'm concerned about my timing and what it's not as high as I want it.
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Wouldn't happen to have timing logs for these runs would ya?

Planning on hitting the dyno soon, but I'm concerned about my timing and what it's not as high as I want it.

My ign timing is not tuned much as id like it to be. But I'm running 29 -25 deg. with it higher in mid range and lower at the top end. I think there is some improvements to have there but most of the dyno time was messing with cams.


What are you going to tune with?
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Well, my timing has been fairly low lately compared to my other runs. And if I can sell this UTEC I'll be (as you know) going with the Haltech. But currently, I am planning on going back to the 3" MAF and removing the LRMAF for that old school timing effect.

Right now, my timing is just sub par, and not as aggressive as it used to be with the 3" MAF. Also, my SAFC settings are all at "0" and my AFR is 13.5.

Once I get the 3" MAF back on, and start to pull MAF voltage again, hopefully I can gain some moAr power with the manifold.

But didn't want to dyno until I got the timing thing taken care of.
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Any DRF's for these runs, or at least the best ones ... since you have like 40 of 'em
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I still wonder if the 'flat' can be fixed before you do cams. This engine isn't peaking, something is holding it back.
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I still wonder if the 'flat' can be fixed before you do cams. This engine isn't peaking, something is holding it back.
My money would be on the intake manifold. It's been proven a 25whp restriction on the old VQ35DE.

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Any DRF's for these runs, or at least the best ones ... since you have like 40 of 'em

Yeah, Ill give them to anyone that ask, not going to post them for download though. pm me


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I still wonder if the 'flat' can be fixed before you do cams. This engine isn't peaking, something is holding it back.

Possibly, for the most part all the maxima dynos ive seen are some what flat uptop like that. Even sparks SSSIM was flat. I think its a header / ypipe thing.

I reallly want those longtubes Travis is going to make. Thats my next plan, leave motor as is, then install longtubes then dyno.
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Possibly, for the most part all the maxima dynos ive seen are some what flat uptop like that. Even sparks SSSIM was flat. I think its a header / ypipe thing.

I reallly want those longtubes Travis is going to make. Thats my next plan, leave motor as is, then install longtubes then dyno.
Perhaps NMEX has some of my old runfiles to send to you, I think I lost them all. IIRC my best tunes were never flat, at least not that flat.

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Perhaps NMEX has some of my old runfiles to send to you, I think I lost them all. IIRC my best tunes were never flat, at least not that flat.

It peaks around 6k. Just like the other dynos ive got, from the older vq too. Idk how you would get a less flatter line with just fuel tuning??

Maybe reving to 7200 makes it look flatter?


Even with full IVT and EVT control the line is flat, granted id like to spend more time tuning as its def not 100%. But it is good enough for now.
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It peaks around 6k. Just like the other dynos ive got, from the older vq too. Idk how you would get a less flatter line with just fuel tuning??

Maybe reving to 7200 makes it look flatter?


Even with full IVT and EVT control the line is flat, granted id like to spend more time tuning as its def not 100%. But it is good enough for now.
I would assume you've done a wonderful job on the fuel tuning so I wouldn't say it was that. When I see chart go flat my first thought is airflow restriction. Perhaps there isn't much you can do about it idk. Something is obviously hitting peak air velocity. The question is what exactly is it? One guy mentioned the intake manifold, yes perhaps it could be. or it could be other things. We're all here to learn from each other by exchanging ideas. I am only curious.
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