Why do most here on the org not like this branded oil filters??

I drive mostly highway for my commute (80%) and I change every 3500-3750 so that only takes about 5-6 weeks until its time to change my filter.

But I hear most here don't like these oil filters. I also havnt read much opinions about Shell branded oil. I am going to try 10W-30 oil instead of 5W-30 since the temperatures in the next 6 weeks definitely will not be anywhere near 0 degrees.

But will the affect my gas mileage much using this oil? Will it slightly be better or worse?

 

Read. http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

 

That's a great site for review of oil filter construction details.

The bottom line on the Fram filter: it is cheaply made, does not filter well and should not be used if you value your engine.

There are a number of filters that are much better than the Fram -- which is at the bottom of any filter list. Don't waste your time or money on Fram.

With the amount of highway driving you are doing, you should increase your OCI (oil change interval). You are wasting both money and resources -- particularly now that all gasoline must have even lower sulfur specs -- which reduces acid build-up in your oil. If you are using dino oil (like the Shell you mentioned), go to 5 K mile OCI and if synthetic go to 7.5 K miles.

I use 10W30 Mobil 1 except in the dead of winter. Nissan in Europe recommends 10W30 -- it is only in the US where they recommend 5W30 -- because it has a very slight incremental improvement in fuel economy. But I bet you will not see any difference in yours.

 

I agree with SilverMax04. Your OCIs are too short and you are a prime candidate for switching to synthetic oil.

 

cant post new posts, so im going to ask a question abut nissan filters in here, my book says to use a 31u000 filter for my 98 max, but everybody on here says to use 9e000 whats the difference?

 

Let me tell you guys this, ive owned 4 cars and used fram oil filters in all of them with no problems at all... My dad had a 86 nissan truck that he bought new and used fram filters in it the whole time... The truck had almost 260,000 miles on it when he sold it, it later got wrecked (smashed into a brick house) and the engine would still run... So i have faith in fram filters, just be sure to change your oil ON TIME EVERYTIME.... My max has 176,000 and i use castrol gtx oil with fram filters

 

Why don't you cut your Fram filter open as well as an OEM Nissan filter and compare the construction. Pay close attention to the filter media and the fabrication of the ends of each filter. You won't go back to Fram once you do that.

 

The bottom line on FRAM oil filters is this: Do they work? Yes, they will filter your oil just fine. Are there better options out there for the same or cheaper price? Definetly YES. There is much better filtration to be had on similarly priced filters. If you don't care about low grade oil or filters you likely wouldn't be on this site to begin with. Your engine is not going to explode because you used a FRAM filter. But you will see reduced wear and contamination with many other BETTER options. That's it.

 

so anybody know the difference?

 

www.bobistheoilguy.com Start reading.

 

Here's a photo of a new, low-end FRAM filter I cut open. It has a limited amount of standard paper filtering medium; it has cardboard end-caps; a stamped leaf spring to keep things in place; no pressure-relief valve and no anti-drainback valve in this application. The leaf spring sits down in the hole in the top of the filter element and presses against the top of the canister to hold the element in place. The spring, when seated in the hole, is the only seal preventing dirty oil from getting past the filter. While this filter will work for short drain intervals, it is certainly not designed for extended use. This is a low-end FRAM Extra-Guard, but the company also offers more expensive (and I assume higher quality) filters

By comparison, here's a photo of an AMSOIL Super-Duty filter. This filter was recently superceded by the new EaO filters with nanofiber technology which is better yet. You will notice this filter has significantly more filtering medium (greater capacity) and this medium was a premium blend of cellulose, synthetic fibers and glass for increased efficiency and integrity over the long-haul; metal end caps that are sealed to the filtering medium; a strong steel coil spring to keep things firmly in place; anti-drainback valve in all models; and an integrated by-pass valve in the top of the filter. These filters cost more than the low-end filters do, but they provide much better filtration over longer service intervals.

 

Talking horse has hit the nail on the head, a fram will work, just not as well, a API SA oil will work, but why use it, sure it saves you $1 per quart, but you'll sludge up in no time, a fram will work, but it wont filter as well. Spend the extra $$ for a purolator (or a PureONE if you really like your car) an amsoil, or a M1 if you feel real fancy

 

purolator filters FTW!!!!

 

Fram uses cardboard ends, has significantly less filter area, and poor build quality and design (drain back springs, etc).



I generally use Napa Gold filters. They are made by Wix. K&N filters are also made by Wix. Amsoil/M1/Pure are all good filters aswell, along with most factor filters.

 

Just go with a Super Tech filter from Walmart...its only $2.05 and people on BITOG say its alot better than Fram...

 

O'reily specials seem to work for my max. I have no problems

 

That's what I use. Supertech filters are made by Champion Labs so I trust the quality. They seem to be made just like the Bosch filters. I change my oil more often then most people (every 2000 miles) and use Supertech oil and filters from Walmart. 1.20 a quart and 2.00 for a filter. Oil change for less then 10.00

 

I've used Fram on my Max here and there, but after seeing the picturees I think I'm going to go with Bosch now.

 

wtf! supertech is made by champion? has this always been the case?

 

Supertech oil filters are not bad at all....I also use the Supertech Full Synthetic Oil for 5 Qt container for $13.52 + $2.05 for filter.....total price for Synthetic Oil Change= $15.57.......not bad at all.....

 

The original Nissan vs Fram comparison: http://www.motorvate.ca/mvp.php/515

Dated, but boy, oh boy, is it ever still true.

 

wow from now on nissan filters all the way

 

but... the 9E000 no longer has the metal end caps or silicon ADBV. it now has the black nitrile ADBV and cardboard end caps similar to the fram. however, I did dissect the new 9E and can report that is is really tough and I doubt there would be any problems with it separating at the endcaps.

I recently found a stash of the original 9E filters w/ silicon & metal caps at a Nissan Dealer in Evanston, IL -- I bought 20 of them for $100.

as for Fram filters -- they will do just fine - you will not see a difference in oil analysis results. it's just that there are better values out there so why pay more for lesser quality.

IMO Murray's house brand (same thing as a purolator premium plus) is the best filter value at $2 and change. the supertech is ok, but there's several versions of it out there and some are better than others (I think the eCore version is the best despite the cardboard endcaps, but they seem to have discontinued it). I would avoid the one with the "clicker" BPV b/c I just don't trust those things to open when they should. the correct ST part is the 7317 (eCore) and I haven't seen one of those in a long time. the ST catalog used to spec the 6607 which is the small thimble size - don't get that!

oh, and about your oil choice. you live in DC, stick with the 5W30 in winter. 90% of the 5W30s on the market are thinner down to <0 and will pump/flow faster on cold start. but no, switching to a 10W30 will not have a noticeable effect on your fuel economy.

 

How can one tell if they are the original ones or the new ones with the cardboard caps?

 

the original ones have the orange silicon ADBV that is clearly visible behind the inlet holes. the new ones have the black nitrile. just open the box and have a look-see before you buy.

 

Cool, I'll do that next time. Thanks

 

Purolator FTW!

 

Yes, but only if it's a 'Pure One"

 

I've always used the SDF84 but since that's now discontinued and there's no EaO equivalent, I've been looking at the Wix alternative. However, now that I've seen this SDF24 pic, does that mean there is an EaO alternative not necessarily specified for the VG or are you using this filter on another vehicle altogether?

After tearing down my VG, I was glad to have used Amsoil products exclusively and I continue to do so today.

 

anyone use bosch. ive been using that filter for a few years now.

 

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