Royal Purple
07-16-2001, 09:40 AM
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Okay, i did the search for this topic already before the "post ******" flame me for a topic im sure has been floating around. Anyway, a local shop started carrying this stuff and cant keep it in stock so many people are buying it. There really hasnt been that much int he way of commentary on this product here on the site (that i could find), so now im asking if anyone here sees this as worth the $5 per quart or if I should just stick to Mobil 1.
thanx
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07-16-2001, 10:32 AM
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I did some research on it at my local performance shop and their website and found out that it is actually NOT a fully synthetic oil. It's a synthetic blend so it won't offer the same true long term benefits of Mobil One, which costs a bit less by the way.
My $.02 worth....
My $.02 worth....
07-16-2001, 10:32 AM
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I have never seen any good technical data on this maker's oil. I have seen tests on Amsoil, Redline, Mobil 1 etcc. So those are the brands I judge my choices on. Not from the sales. Hell most buyers just buy on marketing and not facts. So again, don't judge on what the sales are doing. Slick 50 sold pretty well right? And that stuff was crap!
It's probably a very good product, but I don't have any data to form an opinion on. So it stays out of my car until I do.
It's probably a very good product, but I don't have any data to form an opinion on. So it stays out of my car until I do.
Originally posted by Maxima-Ness
Okay, i did the search for this topic already before the "post ******" flame me for a topic im sure has been floating around. Anyway, a local shop started carrying this stuff and cant keep it in stock so many people are buying it. There really hasnt been that much int he way of commentary on this product here on the site (that i could find), so now im asking if anyone here sees this as worth the $5 per quart or if I should just stick to Mobil 1.
thanx
Okay, i did the search for this topic already before the "post ******" flame me for a topic im sure has been floating around. Anyway, a local shop started carrying this stuff and cant keep it in stock so many people are buying it. There really hasnt been that much int he way of commentary on this product here on the site (that i could find), so now im asking if anyone here sees this as worth the $5 per quart or if I should just stick to Mobil 1.
thanx
07-16-2001, 11:05 AM
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I've been using it regularly in my car and my wife's car for some time now. I was able to pick up several cases through Carparts.com for under $4.00 a quart shipped. So far, I'm more than satisfied with the results.
07-16-2001, 11:23 AM
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What do you mean you are satisfied w/ the results? Did you get the old and new Royal Purple lab tested? Or does the car just run smoother in your opinion? A car can be made to run a bit smoother by using lighter weight oil IMHO, but it necessarliy mean it's lubricating better, protecting better or performing better in any way.
Originally posted by y2kse
I've been using it regularly in my car and my wife's car for some time now. I was able to pick up several cases through Carparts.com for under $4.00 a quart shipped. So far, I'm more than satisfied with the results.
I've been using it regularly in my car and my wife's car for some time now. I was able to pick up several cases through Carparts.com for under $4.00 a quart shipped. So far, I'm more than satisfied with the results.
07-16-2001, 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Jeff92se
What do you mean you are satisfied w/ the results? Did you get the old and new Royal Purple lab tested? Or does the car just run smoother in your opinion? A car can be made to run a bit smoother by using lighter weight oil IMHO, but it necessarliy mean it's lubricating better, protecting better or performing better in any way.
What do you mean you are satisfied w/ the results? Did you get the old and new Royal Purple lab tested? Or does the car just run smoother in your opinion? A car can be made to run a bit smoother by using lighter weight oil IMHO, but it necessarliy mean it's lubricating better, protecting better or performing better in any way.
On the other hand, if you EVER hear of ANYONE who has experienced an oil-related problem or failure using Royal Purple lubricants, don't hesitate to let me know. And if my engine or my wife's engine blows up, I'll be sure to let you know.
07-16-2001, 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Maxima-Ness
Okay, i did the search for this topic already before the "post ******" flame me for a topic im sure has been floating around. Anyway, a local shop started carrying this stuff and cant keep it in stock so many people are buying it. There really hasnt been that much int he way of commentary on this product here on the site (that i could find), so now im asking if anyone here sees this as worth the $5 per quart or if I should just stick to Mobil 1.
thanx
Okay, i did the search for this topic already before the "post ******" flame me for a topic im sure has been floating around. Anyway, a local shop started carrying this stuff and cant keep it in stock so many people are buying it. There really hasnt been that much int he way of commentary on this product here on the site (that i could find), so now im asking if anyone here sees this as worth the $5 per quart or if I should just stick to Mobil 1.
thanx
From my research, Amsoil and Mobile 1 are the most consistent lab test performers. Redline doesn't seem to "test quite as well" as these two for all visocity possibilities. That is why I don't ever hesitate to recommend Amsoil or Mobile 1......
Member "kaleb" is the only one I know of who has used Royal Purple enough to be able to comment as to its performance. You may want to PM him for more details. I have no doubt that it's a good product, but I haven't seen it in many lab tests.......
I would stay with Mobile 1, especially with Wally World's 5-qt container for $18....you can't beat that.....
07-16-2001, 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by bill99gxe
Like Jeff, I'm wary of Royal Purple because of a lack of information from a lab test point of view.....I have yet to find good info about this on the 'net anywhere.
From my research, Amsoil and Mobile 1 are the most consistent lab test performers. Redline doesn't seem to "test quite as well" as these two for all visocity possibilities. That is why I don't ever hesitate to recommend Amsoil or Mobile 1......
Member "kaleb" is the only one I know of who has used Royal Purple enough to be able to comment as to its performance. You may want to PM him for more details. I have no doubt that it's a good product, but I haven't seen it in many lab tests.......
I would stay with Mobile 1, especially with Wally World's 5-qt container for $18....you can't beat that.....
Like Jeff, I'm wary of Royal Purple because of a lack of information from a lab test point of view.....I have yet to find good info about this on the 'net anywhere.
From my research, Amsoil and Mobile 1 are the most consistent lab test performers. Redline doesn't seem to "test quite as well" as these two for all visocity possibilities. That is why I don't ever hesitate to recommend Amsoil or Mobile 1......
Member "kaleb" is the only one I know of who has used Royal Purple enough to be able to comment as to its performance. You may want to PM him for more details. I have no doubt that it's a good product, but I haven't seen it in many lab tests.......
I would stay with Mobile 1, especially with Wally World's 5-qt container for $18....you can't beat that.....
blah blah blah blah....
Take your garbage opinions back to the General and 3rd gen forums
</trying to be Evil Bill>
So was that evil enough?
07-16-2001, 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KevSE
<trying to be Evil Bill>
blah blah blah blah....
Take your garbage opinions back to the General and 3rd gen forums
</trying to be Evil Bill>
So was that evil enough?
<trying to be Evil Bill>
blah blah blah blah....
Take your garbage opinions back to the General and 3rd gen forums
</trying to be Evil Bill>
So was that evil enough?
Not bad.......you just need to be in a REAL Maxima instead of a 5th gen.....
[/unnecessary cheap shot]
07-16-2001, 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Paul2kGXE
Jeesh Kev. Noticed that the 3rd and 4th gen guys have been hanging out here lately? I guess this is where the good threads are and belong.
About Royal Purple... Does it have API certification?
Jeesh Kev. Noticed that the 3rd and 4th gen guys have been hanging out here lately? I guess this is where the good threads are and belong.
About Royal Purple... Does it have API certification?
http://www.synerlec.com/technical.html
This makes me more skeptical than ever, as their little bar graphs don't really state what they are measuring, just that Royal Purple is better.....
I couldn't find API certification anywhere, but my bet is that's true.
07-16-2001, 02:20 PM
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I just spent 45 minutes on the phone with a tech at Royal Purple. I'm not enough of an engineer to recite everything he told me. But I heard enough to allay any concerns I might have regarding the quality of their products. I also learned some interesting things about what the term "synthetic" means, the procedures and equipment companies use to test their lubricants, and the composition of additives used in various motor oils. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to go into all that here.
BTW, Royal Purple is API certified.
On another subject, here's something you mind find interesting:
"Racing Beat has been recommending the use of synthetic oils in rotary applications for several years. Our research has found that synthetic oils provide superior friction reducing between sliding surfaces, reduced foaming, and lower oil temperatures. We have tested several different synthetic oils and have found that while most offered improved wear and lower oil temperatures, none offered any horsepower gains... except for Royal Purple!
Our in-house testing has yielded up to a 2% performance increase after changing from mineral-based oil to Royal Purple Synthetic Motor Oil. How could this be? Jim Mederer, co-founder and chief engineer at Racing Beat, was truly puzzled. With over 35 years of professional racing experience under his belt, he has seen and tried just about every “new” lubricant that hits the market. All offered better wear and lower oil temperatures but none offered any horsepower improvement. After spending time consulting with the engineers at Royal Purple to better understand the reason for the horsepower gain, it was explained that the secret was the proprietary ingredient “Synerlec”. This Synerlec ingredient provides an ultra-slick film on internal engine components to significantly reduce power-robbing friction. Less friction equals more power!
Other professional engine builders have confirmed that Royal Purple Synthetic Racing Oil delivers measurable horsepower gains. Independent dyno tests show increases up to 5% (on smaller displacement engines) with nothing more than an oil change."
Source: http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda1.htm
BTW, Royal Purple is API certified.
On another subject, here's something you mind find interesting:
"Racing Beat has been recommending the use of synthetic oils in rotary applications for several years. Our research has found that synthetic oils provide superior friction reducing between sliding surfaces, reduced foaming, and lower oil temperatures. We have tested several different synthetic oils and have found that while most offered improved wear and lower oil temperatures, none offered any horsepower gains... except for Royal Purple!
Our in-house testing has yielded up to a 2% performance increase after changing from mineral-based oil to Royal Purple Synthetic Motor Oil. How could this be? Jim Mederer, co-founder and chief engineer at Racing Beat, was truly puzzled. With over 35 years of professional racing experience under his belt, he has seen and tried just about every “new” lubricant that hits the market. All offered better wear and lower oil temperatures but none offered any horsepower improvement. After spending time consulting with the engineers at Royal Purple to better understand the reason for the horsepower gain, it was explained that the secret was the proprietary ingredient “Synerlec”. This Synerlec ingredient provides an ultra-slick film on internal engine components to significantly reduce power-robbing friction. Less friction equals more power!
Other professional engine builders have confirmed that Royal Purple Synthetic Racing Oil delivers measurable horsepower gains. Independent dyno tests show increases up to 5% (on smaller displacement engines) with nothing more than an oil change."
Source: http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda1.htm
07-16-2001, 02:29 PM
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Thanks for looking into this. Crank and Chrome is big on Royal Purple. They put it into their last engine build-up. Then again, they are a sponsor. 
I like your approach Y2KSE. You talk to people, rather than relying on their lame websites.
I like your approach Y2KSE. You talk to people, rather than relying on their lame websites.
Originally posted by y2kse
I just spent 45 minutes on the phone with a tech at Royal Purple. I'm not enough of an engineer to recite everything he told me. But I heard enough to allay any concerns I might have regarding the quality of their products. I also learned some interesting things about the procedures and equipment other companies use to test their lubricants and the composition of additives used in various motor oils. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to go into that here.
BTW, Royal Purple is API certified.
I just spent 45 minutes on the phone with a tech at Royal Purple. I'm not enough of an engineer to recite everything he told me. But I heard enough to allay any concerns I might have regarding the quality of their products. I also learned some interesting things about the procedures and equipment other companies use to test their lubricants and the composition of additives used in various motor oils. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to go into that here.
BTW, Royal Purple is API certified.
07-16-2001, 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by y2kse
I just spent 45 minutes on the phone with a tech at Royal Purple. I'm not enough of an engineer to recite everything he told me. But I heard enough to allay any concerns I might have regarding the quality of their products. I also learned some interesting things about the procedures and equipment other companies use to test their lubricants and the composition of additives used in various motor oils. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to go into that here.
BTW, Royal Purple is API certified.
On another subject, here's something you mind find interesting:
"Racing Beat has been recommending the use of synthetic oils in rotary applications for several years. Our research has found that synthetic oils provide superior friction reducing between sliding surfaces, reduced foaming, and lower oil temperatures. We have tested several different synthetic oils and have found that while most offered improved wear and lower oil temperatures, none offered any horsepower gains... except for Royal Purple!
Our in-house testing has yielded up to a 2% performance increase after changing from mineral-based oil to Royal Purple Synthetic Motor Oil. How could this be? Jim Mederer, co-founder and chief engineer at Racing Beat, was truly puzzled. With over 35 years of professional racing experience under his belt, he has seen and tried just about every “new” lubricant that hits the market. All offered better wear and lower oil temperatures but none offered any horsepower improvement. After spending time consulting with the engineers at Royal Purple to better understand the reason for the horsepower gain, it was explained that the secret was the proprietary ingredient “Synerlec”. This Synerlec ingredient provides an ultra-slick film on internal engine components to significantly reduce power-robbing friction. Less friction equals more power!
Other professional engine builders have confirmed that Royal Purple Synthetic Racing Oil delivers measurable horsepower gains. Independent dyno tests show increases up to 5% (on smaller displacement engines) with nothing more than an oil change."
Source: http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda1.htm
I just spent 45 minutes on the phone with a tech at Royal Purple. I'm not enough of an engineer to recite everything he told me. But I heard enough to allay any concerns I might have regarding the quality of their products. I also learned some interesting things about the procedures and equipment other companies use to test their lubricants and the composition of additives used in various motor oils. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to go into that here.
BTW, Royal Purple is API certified.
On another subject, here's something you mind find interesting:
"Racing Beat has been recommending the use of synthetic oils in rotary applications for several years. Our research has found that synthetic oils provide superior friction reducing between sliding surfaces, reduced foaming, and lower oil temperatures. We have tested several different synthetic oils and have found that while most offered improved wear and lower oil temperatures, none offered any horsepower gains... except for Royal Purple!
Our in-house testing has yielded up to a 2% performance increase after changing from mineral-based oil to Royal Purple Synthetic Motor Oil. How could this be? Jim Mederer, co-founder and chief engineer at Racing Beat, was truly puzzled. With over 35 years of professional racing experience under his belt, he has seen and tried just about every “new” lubricant that hits the market. All offered better wear and lower oil temperatures but none offered any horsepower improvement. After spending time consulting with the engineers at Royal Purple to better understand the reason for the horsepower gain, it was explained that the secret was the proprietary ingredient “Synerlec”. This Synerlec ingredient provides an ultra-slick film on internal engine components to significantly reduce power-robbing friction. Less friction equals more power!
Other professional engine builders have confirmed that Royal Purple Synthetic Racing Oil delivers measurable horsepower gains. Independent dyno tests show increases up to 5% (on smaller displacement engines) with nothing more than an oil change."
Source: http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Ra.../oil_test.html
From a marketing standpoint, Royal Purple seems to tout the 1-2 hp dyno gains, while Amsoil/Redline/Mobile 1 stress engine lubrication/protection. I would rather put my money where the companies are more focused on engine protection than getting another pony out of a passenger car......
07-16-2001, 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by bill99gxe
http://www.knowyouroil.com/dyno.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Ra.../oil_test.html
From a marketing standpoint, Royal Purple seems to tout the 1-2 hp dyno gains, while Amsoil/Redline/Mobile 1 stress engine lubrication/protection. I would rather put my money where the companies are more focused on engine protection than getting another pony out of a passenger car......
http://www.knowyouroil.com/dyno.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Ra.../oil_test.html
From a marketing standpoint, Royal Purple seems to tout the 1-2 hp dyno gains, while Amsoil/Redline/Mobile 1 stress engine lubrication/protection. I would rather put my money where the companies are more focused on engine protection than getting another pony out of a passenger car......
My guess is that one brand of premium quality synthetic motor oil is just about as good as the next. And if I can get a few more horsepower by using one premium brand over another, so much the better. BTW, what quality could Royal Purple motor oil possess that would allow it to consistently increase horsepower following an oil change from another brand of motor oil? Do you suppose it has something to do with Royal Purple's lubrication/protection capabilities? Or would you tend to ascribe it the color of the oil?
Oh. You'll be pleased to learn that I've experienced no smoke or nauseous smells emanating from my engine or my wife's engine since we began using Royal Purple motor oil.
07-17-2001, 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by y2kse
And I think you're right, I just haven't seen a lot of testing with Royal Purple. It is on my recommended list, but I don't use it....
That's sort of a deep question that gets into dynamics that I am relatively ignorant of. ULX-110, which is the only dino oil I recommend for extended interval use (as pointed out in the oil spreadsheet) makes similar power increase dyno claims. And they look to be true.
Yes it has to do with their specific additive package. I theorize all synthetics benefit hp to a small degree. Royal Purple chooses to advertise that, while the others don't. It's probably a marketing thing, although I think Royal Purple should have better testing on their own website of its protection and resistance to oxidation....
The color is sweet.....
Seriously, I would like for you to get that oil analyzed by Blackstone Labs the next time you change it and post the results for use in the spreadsheet as I would like to know the specific additive package differences between Royal Purple, Mobile 1, and Amsoil......
My guess is that one brand of premium quality synthetic motor oil is just about as good as the next.
And I think you're right, I just haven't seen a lot of testing with Royal Purple. It is on my recommended list, but I don't use it....
And if I can get a few more horsepower by using one premium brand over another, so much the better. BTW, what quality could Royal Purple motor oil possess that would allow it to consistently increase horsepower following an oil change from another brand of motor oil?
That's sort of a deep question that gets into dynamics that I am relatively ignorant of. ULX-110, which is the only dino oil I recommend for extended interval use (as pointed out in the oil spreadsheet) makes similar power increase dyno claims. And they look to be true.
Do you suppose it has something to do with Royal Purple's lubrication/protection capabilities?
Yes it has to do with their specific additive package. I theorize all synthetics benefit hp to a small degree. Royal Purple chooses to advertise that, while the others don't. It's probably a marketing thing, although I think Royal Purple should have better testing on their own website of its protection and resistance to oxidation....
Or would you tend to ascribe it the color of the oil?
The color is sweet.....
Oh. You'll be pleased to learn that I've experienced no smoke or nauseous smells emanating from my engine or my wife's engine since we began using Royal Purple motor oil.
07-17-2001, 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by bill99gxe
Originally posted by y2kse
Seriously, I would like for you to get that oil analyzed by Blackstone Labs the next time you change it and post the results for use in the spreadsheet as I would like to know the specific additive package differences between Royal Purple, Mobile 1, and Amsoil...... [/B]
Originally posted by y2kse
Seriously, I would like for you to get that oil analyzed by Blackstone Labs the next time you change it and post the results for use in the spreadsheet as I would like to know the specific additive package differences between Royal Purple, Mobile 1, and Amsoil...... [/B]
07-17-2001, 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by y2kse
That's a simple enough request, Bill. I ordered my oil sample kit from Blackstone Labs today. But I had the oil changed recently in both my car and my wife's car. So it may be a little while before I get back to you with the results.
That's a simple enough request, Bill. I ordered my oil sample kit from Blackstone Labs today. But I had the oil changed recently in both my car and my wife's car. So it may be a little while before I get back to you with the results.
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