First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
09-01-2002, 08:15 PM
#41
Originally posted by iansw
Yes, I don't agree with that law because it discrimiates people that can legally have a liscence, but because of their age, are restricted.
I'm surprised that one hasn't been repealed by the State Supreme Court. It's against the Constitution to make any law that is specific to age/race/creed.
I do agree, however, that noone should be allowed to have their liscence until the age of 18 at all.
But then again, I think people should have to take an IQ test to vote and to have children.
Discuss and flame on!
IanS
Yes, I don't agree with that law because it discrimiates people that can legally have a liscence, but because of their age, are restricted.
I'm surprised that one hasn't been repealed by the State Supreme Court. It's against the Constitution to make any law that is specific to age/race/creed.
I do agree, however, that noone should be allowed to have their liscence until the age of 18 at all.
But then again, I think people should have to take an IQ test to vote and to have children.
Discuss and flame on!
IanS
09-01-2002, 08:28 PM
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First Month of having my lics. a women switchin lanes ( not on the highway) hits me, bouces off me and into a telephone poll, I had two people in my car my words were " You guys alright, "yes" then get out" they ran from the accident 
and the cop showed up shortly after, and had no idea, that accident wasnt my failt. One week before I was "legal" to drive with people i got pulled over doing 65 in a 40, 
and the cop said to me "oh so close and you didnt make it" I wanted to reach over and **** him up! Well that got taken care of, and that ticket was about one year ago and im running on a current clean slate 
on wood, but lets be honest guys driving fast is so much fun
and the cop showed up shortly after, and had no idea, that accident wasnt my failt. One week before I was "legal" to drive with people i got pulled over doing 65 in a 40, and the cop said to me "oh so close and you didnt make it" I wanted to reach over and **** him up! Well that got taken care of, and that ticket was about one year ago and im running on a current clean slate on wood, but lets be honest guys driving fast is so much fun
09-01-2002, 08:33 PM
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I dunno I feel its all about who you are, its like giving permission to people to buy guns...one will use it for hunting the other for drug deals etc...I mean I know people my age who are just getting their lic at 16 and are fully serious and drive like my parents, others are crazy and total like 3 cars within the month. Like I said all depends on person and how they act etc. Also the curfew thing etc is stupid in my opinion, but just my opinion...I am lucky so far no tickets, accidents etc and hope it stays that way although sooner or later I know one of the two will happen...One thing I am kinda against though is putting a 16 yr old first day with his lic behind the wheel of a 98 stang st who's never driven 5 spd and letting him out on the road...Im just rambling now so I will end my post, but will add more later
09-01-2002, 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by maximaracer28
others are crazy and total like 3 cars within the month
others are crazy and total like 3 cars within the month
Hey it was a year! I have fun driving! its cost me like 12 ticket since getting my licences 2.5 years ago. I have also owned about 7 vehicles in these 2.5 years. I also know when to **** around and when not too. I have not hurt or injured one person
09-01-2002, 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by FameMax
First Month of having my lics. a women switchin lanes ( not on the highway) hits me, bouces off me and into a telephone poll, I had two people in my car my words were " You guys alright, "yes" then get out" they ran from the accident and the cop showed up shortly after, and had no idea, that accident wasnt my failt. One week before I was "legal" to drive with people i got pulled over doing 65 in a 40, and the cop said to me "oh so close and you didnt make it" I wanted to reach over and **** him up! Well that got taken care of, and that ticket was about one year ago and im running on a current clean slate on wood, but lets be honest guys driving fast is so much fun
First Month of having my lics. a women switchin lanes ( not on the highway) hits me, bouces off me and into a telephone poll, I had two people in my car my words were " You guys alright, "yes" then get out" they ran from the accident and the cop showed up shortly after, and had no idea, that accident wasnt my failt. One week before I was "legal" to drive with people i got pulled over doing 65 in a 40, and the cop said to me "oh so close and you didnt make it" I wanted to reach over and **** him up! Well that got taken care of, and that ticket was about one year ago and im running on a current clean slate on wood, but lets be honest guys driving fast is so much fun
She could have been hurt or dying and you ran.
And then you're getting angry and want to f**k up a cop because you got caught doing something illegal?
Once again:
I feel like I should lock this thread already because it's becoming a brag-fest about what stupid things people go away with doing when they first got their licenses.
09-01-2002, 09:24 PM
#46
Originally posted by clee130
We should do away with DWI/DUI laws too because not all drivers drive with under the influence of alcohol or drugs, right?
We should do away with DWI/DUI laws too because not all drivers drive with under the influence of alcohol or drugs, right?
I don't think that anywhere in the constitution it says "You cannot discriminate against those who have too much beer."
Like I said, I don't think people under 18 should drive, but the law states they can, so then because they can, they should not be discriminated against because of age.
It's like when the ACLU supported the KKK in Idaho's right to gather and peacefully protest.
It didn't mean that people in the ACLU agreed with their views, just that the ACLU understood the legal context.
IanS
IanS
09-01-2002, 09:30 PM
#47
Originally posted by densetsu
theres no difference between getting your liscence at the age of 14 or 18. experience is experience and thats all that counts.
theres no difference between getting your liscence at the age of 14 or 18. experience is experience and thats all that counts.
Ask any Brain Surgeon about how the teenage brain physically works vs the Adult brain.
The Frontal lobe of an 18 year old simply isn't developed, and most of their actions are controlled by the part of the Cerebral cortex that controls primal instinct. (This is why the sexual peak for a male is 18, for example...all primal, all hormones.) (And why i slept with some F*cked up chicks when I was 18!)
Things like competition, Fight/flight, impressing the other sex, etc, etc are very quick and reactionary. Teenagers are far less civilized, and therefore dangerous drivers. Literally. They just aren't programmed yet to think about cause/effect.
And I DON'T mean that all teens are bad drivers. I'm sure the majority were taught well and are responsible drivers. But there's obviously a MUCH larger portion of teen drivers who are dangerous vs adult drivers. (Although there's some pretty idiotic adults out there too).
So you see, it's not experience, it's maturity, which is a function of biology.
A perfect example - Me.
7 tickets (2 reckless, 1 negligent) in 3 years between 16 and 19. total cost over $5000.
Age 19-present day (28) - not 1 ticket.
IanS
09-01-2002, 09:39 PM
#48
I think the driving age should be raised, or at least have more restrictions when you first get it. I'm one of few people I know that hasn't totalled a car, gotten a huge ticket, or even had a close call.
Not even a close call for me and thats the way its gonna be
Not even a close call for me and thats the way its gonna be
09-01-2002, 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by iansw
Not true.
Ask any Brain Surgeon about how the teenage brain physically works vs the Adult brain.
The Frontal lobe of an 18 year old simply isn't developed, and most of their actions are controlled by the part of the Cerebral cortex that controls primal instinct. (This is why the sexual peak for a male is 18, for example...all primal, all hormones.) (And why i slept with some F*cked up chicks when I was 18!)
Things like competition, Fight/flight, impressing the other sex, etc, etc are very quick and reactionary. Teenagers are far less civilized, and therefore dangerous drivers. Literally. They just aren't programmed yet to think about cause/effect.
And I DON'T mean that all teens are bad drivers. I'm sure the majority were taught well and are responsible drivers. But there's obviously a MUCH larger portion of teen drivers who are dangerous vs adult drivers. (Although there's some pretty idiotic adults out there too).
So you see, it's not experience, it's maturity, which is a function of biology.
A perfect example - Me.
7 tickets (2 reckless, 1 negligent) in 3 years between 16 and 19. total cost over $5000.
Age 19-present day (28) - not 1 ticket.
IanS
Not true.
Ask any Brain Surgeon about how the teenage brain physically works vs the Adult brain.
The Frontal lobe of an 18 year old simply isn't developed, and most of their actions are controlled by the part of the Cerebral cortex that controls primal instinct. (This is why the sexual peak for a male is 18, for example...all primal, all hormones.) (And why i slept with some F*cked up chicks when I was 18!)
Things like competition, Fight/flight, impressing the other sex, etc, etc are very quick and reactionary. Teenagers are far less civilized, and therefore dangerous drivers. Literally. They just aren't programmed yet to think about cause/effect.
And I DON'T mean that all teens are bad drivers. I'm sure the majority were taught well and are responsible drivers. But there's obviously a MUCH larger portion of teen drivers who are dangerous vs adult drivers. (Although there's some pretty idiotic adults out there too).
So you see, it's not experience, it's maturity, which is a function of biology.
A perfect example - Me.
7 tickets (2 reckless, 1 negligent) in 3 years between 16 and 19. total cost over $5000.
Age 19-present day (28) - not 1 ticket.
IanS
Teenage drivers are more dangerous and are statistically more likely to be in accidents. So in order to protect them and other drivers, restrictions are placed.
09-01-2002, 09:59 PM
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Re: Re: First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
Originally posted by Kenneth
cops are haters, they see your nice car and 16 yo driver and are in an active position to show their jealously w/o violating the law, thus you got pulled over.
maintain it thou
cops are haters, they see your nice car and 16 yo driver and are in an active position to show their jealously w/o violating the law, thus you got pulled over.
maintain it thou
09-01-2002, 10:02 PM
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Re: Re: First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
Originally posted by Kenneth
cops are haters, they see your nice car and 16 yo driver and are in an active position to show their jealously w/o violating the law, thus you got pulled over.
maintain it thou
cops are haters, they see your nice car and 16 yo driver and are in an active position to show their jealously w/o violating the law, thus you got pulled over.
maintain it thou
My brother-in-law was like that when he was a cop. he was always pulling my friends over, hassling them. he'd search my room for drugs, etc, etc.
He left the force and 2 years later called me to tell me he was sorry he ever did that, and that since he spent most of his nights dealing with drunk minors, minors vandalising, minors getting in car accidents, etc, etc, it made him VERY cynical.
It's not right, but I think that's probably closer to the truth.
09-01-2002, 10:05 PM
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After reading all these posts iansw is the only one who is right on the mark. When I was 16 I was a damn menace to society. I did not think that then, but hinsight is always 20/20.
09-01-2002, 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by I30tMikeD
After reading all these posts iansw is the only one who is right on the mark. When I was 16 I was a damn menace to society. I did not think that then, but hinsight is always 20/20.
After reading all these posts iansw is the only one who is right on the mark. When I was 16 I was a damn menace to society. I did not think that then, but hinsight is always 20/20.
Originally posted by Vyrus
Yep the same law applies down here in Va. The rules only apply if the passenger is under 21, or if they are a family member under 18 (family members over 18 are okay). 16 - one person, 17 - three people, 18 - however many you want. I agree it is age discrimination but what can we do - if the government decides it appropriate then there is nothing we can do. BTW I have to say (although I know this is weird), I too agree that nobody under 18 should be able to drive (yes even though I know I am just 17 myself). Honestly I have seen the charts and I know that people under 18 have an exponentially higher rate of an accidents. Yet I have been able to rep the good side with no tickets/accidents/offenses luckily. Touching wood I hope I don't jinx myself. 
And the IQ test to have children: l:augh:.
-Cyrus
Yep the same law applies down here in Va. The rules only apply if the passenger is under 21, or if they are a family member under 18 (family members over 18 are okay). 16 - one person, 17 - three people, 18 - however many you want. I agree it is age discrimination but what can we do - if the government decides it appropriate then there is nothing we can do. BTW I have to say (although I know this is weird), I too agree that nobody under 18 should be able to drive (yes even though I know I am just 17 myself). Honestly I have seen the charts and I know that people under 18 have an exponentially higher rate of an accidents. Yet I have been able to rep the good side with no tickets/accidents/offenses luckily.
Touching wood I hope I don't jinx myself. And the IQ test to have children: l:augh:.-Cyrus
-Cyrus
09-02-2002, 12:08 AM
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Re: Re: Re: First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
Originally posted by iansw
Actually, because of the way some teenagers act, it makes cops cynical of all teenagers.
My brother-in-law was like that when he was a cop. he was always pulling my friends over, hassling them. he'd search my room for drugs, etc, etc.
He left the force and 2 years later called me to tell me he was sorry he ever did that, and that since he spent most of his nights dealing with drunk minors, minors vandalising, minors getting in car accidents, etc, etc, it made him VERY cynical.
It's not right, but I think that's probably closer to the truth.
Actually, because of the way some teenagers act, it makes cops cynical of all teenagers.
My brother-in-law was like that when he was a cop. he was always pulling my friends over, hassling them. he'd search my room for drugs, etc, etc.
He left the force and 2 years later called me to tell me he was sorry he ever did that, and that since he spent most of his nights dealing with drunk minors, minors vandalising, minors getting in car accidents, etc, etc, it made him VERY cynical.
It's not right, but I think that's probably closer to the truth.
09-02-2002, 12:26 AM
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Re: Re: First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
Originally posted by Kenneth
cops are haters, they see your nice car and 16 yo driver and are in an active position to show their jealously w/o violating the law, thus you got pulled over.
maintain it thou
cops are haters, they see your nice car and 16 yo driver and are in an active position to show their jealously w/o violating the law, thus you got pulled over.
maintain it thou
09-02-2002, 12:56 AM
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Re: Re: Re: First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
Originally posted by MetaOrbit
Try driving a new Infiniti around late at night in a small town..
Try driving a new Infiniti around late at night in a small town..
09-02-2002, 03:13 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
I think even if the age is moved up it will be the same. People have to get it out of there system!
09-02-2002, 07:16 AM
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Felt the need to contribute on this one...
I too was a teenage knuckle head. I used to drive as fast as possible, street race anyone who was up for it, and I thought I was a stunt driver. Doughnuts in the parking lot, bootleggers turns, you name it, been there done that. I convinced myself that I was into cars and actually tried to be a better driver so that made me a cut above the average sheep on the highway. ALL STUPID! I'm still into cars and if I was being totally honest, I do feel I'm a better driver the the average sheep, but the recklesness has ended. Too many innocent people end up dead when we do (or did) drive stupid. The problem here isn't so much the age of our drivers but the lack of training before they're let loose on the streets. In Germany, extensive driving lessons are mandatory, traffic laws are strictly enforced, and getting a liscense means spending a lot of money, time, and effort. Not any knuckle head on the street has the resources to get a liscense. Critisize if you must, but an autobahn without speed limits (in sections) wouldn't be possible if driving were a free for all like it is here. Let the flaming begin.
I too was a teenage knuckle head. I used to drive as fast as possible, street race anyone who was up for it, and I thought I was a stunt driver. Doughnuts in the parking lot, bootleggers turns, you name it, been there done that. I convinced myself that I was into cars and actually tried to be a better driver so that made me a cut above the average sheep on the highway. ALL STUPID! I'm still into cars and if I was being totally honest, I do feel I'm a better driver the the average sheep, but the recklesness has ended. Too many innocent people end up dead when we do (or did) drive stupid. The problem here isn't so much the age of our drivers but the lack of training before they're let loose on the streets. In Germany, extensive driving lessons are mandatory, traffic laws are strictly enforced, and getting a liscense means spending a lot of money, time, and effort. Not any knuckle head on the street has the resources to get a liscense. Critisize if you must, but an autobahn without speed limits (in sections) wouldn't be possible if driving were a free for all like it is here. Let the flaming begin.
09-02-2002, 08:44 AM
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first couple monthes I had my license I was racing an eclipse and cop turned around in then median. I cut took a backroad about 15 miles out and pulled in a friends garage and never got busted. Month later got pulled over doing 100 in a 45 and got my license suspended for 8 monthes and paid over 1500 in fines. Since the license suspension I have learned a little, I don't raise as much h*ll.
09-02-2002, 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by iansw
I'm surprised that one hasn't been repealed by the State Supreme Court. It's against the Constitution to make any law that is specific to age/race/creed.
I do agree, however, that noone should be allowed to have their liscence until the age of 18 at all.
IanS
I'm surprised that one hasn't been repealed by the State Supreme Court. It's against the Constitution to make any law that is specific to age/race/creed.
I do agree, however, that noone should be allowed to have their liscence until the age of 18 at all.
IanS
I live in AZ and we face a huge problem with the Snow Birds. Snow Birds are the old farts who come to town during the winter only because they are too wimpy to weather the heat of a summer here. It's horrible to drive anywhere in this town when they're here in their land yachts. My experience says that after the age of 60, drivers should have to be recertified every year on their birthday. They are just as bad as, if not worse than, teenage/inexperienced drivers.
09-02-2002, 12:07 PM
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I wasn't even doing anything wrong thoough when i got pulled over. I just had a tailight out. But I think i handled it well cause as I was handing the cop my registration, i said "Its my first night w/ my license" and he said "step out of the car please." i was ****ing my pants at this point, Then he pointed to my taillights and I started sucking up to him and acting all ****ed that my car that i just got inspected had a burnt out taillight. But, i am PARANIOD about going over the speed limit in the city becuase when i do, my dad is making me get rid of my FrankenCar air intake, and taking away my license, nvm speeding w/ 2 of my friends in the car. haha
09-02-2002, 12:13 PM
#64
Originally posted by joaquink
I live in AZ and we face a huge problem with the Snow Birds. Snow Birds are the old farts who come to town during the winter only because they are too wimpy to weather the heat of a summer here. It's horrible to drive anywhere in this town when they're here in their land yachts. My experience says that after the age of 60, drivers should have to be recertified every year on their birthday. They are just as bad as, if not worse than, teenage/inexperienced drivers.
I live in AZ and we face a huge problem with the Snow Birds. Snow Birds are the old farts who come to town during the winter only because they are too wimpy to weather the heat of a summer here. It's horrible to drive anywhere in this town when they're here in their land yachts. My experience says that after the age of 60, drivers should have to be recertified every year on their birthday. They are just as bad as, if not worse than, teenage/inexperienced drivers.
John
09-02-2002, 01:08 PM
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IF your only 18 and have a 02 i35...dayyam..lol
09-03-2002, 08:21 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: First night w/ my license ! CRAZY!!!!
Originally posted by JDwyer2821
I think even if the age is moved up it will be the same. People have to get it out of there system!
I think even if the age is moved up it will be the same. People have to get it out of there system!
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09-03-2002, 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by RapidMax
Very good point. I agree that yeah teenagers might be more dangerous because of their age and stuff but even if you raise the age of driving to 25 a 25 year old is still probably going to do the same things just to experiment and whats worse is by that time they might not have their parents to worry about anymore.
Very good point. I agree that yeah teenagers might be more dangerous because of their age and stuff but even if you raise the age of driving to 25 a 25 year old is still probably going to do the same things just to experiment and whats worse is by that time they might not have their parents to worry about anymore.
Most 25 year olds in this country have kids to worry about, believe it or not.
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09-03-2002, 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by iansw
I just find that hard to believe. Their brains are more matured biologically, and their experience is far more matured than a 16 year old.
Most 25 year olds in this country have kids to worry about, believe it or not.
IanS
I just find that hard to believe. Their brains are more matured biologically, and their experience is far more matured than a 16 year old.
Most 25 year olds in this country have kids to worry about, believe it or not.
IanS
Ahh...but how many 25 year olds would be having kids if they could not already drive to work, grocery store, the HOSPITAL while their wife is in labor...
John
09-03-2002, 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by MetaOrbit
Ahh...but how many 25 year olds would be having kids if they could not already drive to work, grocery store, the HOSPITAL while their wife is in labor...
John
Ahh...but how many 25 year olds would be having kids if they could not already drive to work, grocery store, the HOSPITAL while their wife is in labor...
John
09-05-2002, 03:52 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by clee130
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With the women running into the pole, she was fine, and not my fault. I was one week away from being legal to drive with people, when that cop stoped me. And no I didnt run from the accident. and plz, clam down
[B]
With the women running into the pole, she was fine, and not my fault. I was one week away from being legal to drive with people, when that cop stoped me. And no I didnt run from the accident. and plz, clam down
09-05-2002, 08:39 AM
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first night with my max
My first night with my license was coooooooool...er...wait...i cant remember any of it, beerrrrrrr...arrrghghg, hmmmmmm....yummy
(i did not drive after the beerrrrrrr) oh yeah, i bought my own max (92 SE, fukking lemon) when i was 17 and still making my own payments while going to college, making the good grades, and working my *** off and i'm only 18 so all you kids be more than fukking thankful that your parents buy you these cars that you all have...peace
jared
(i did not drive after the beerrrrrrr) oh yeah, i bought my own max (92 SE, fukking lemon) when i was 17 and still making my own payments while going to college, making the good grades, and working my *** off and i'm only 18 so all you kids be more than fukking thankful that your parents buy you these cars that you all have...peace
jared
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