how come no one really kept bringing up the fact that he was running behind the vette? That's really got to help reduce drag.

 

Don't hit the 100 shot on him.

 

They have the same motor as my Firebird except for cam, exhaust manifolds, exhaust and intake. So the Corvette's put out a little more power. My Firebird put out 307hp 326ft-lb torque at the wheels completely stock with 3500 miles on it.

They're capable of running high 12's right off the showroom floor (with a 6 speed and a good launch). Most run mid-low 13's with an average driver. Automatics are a little slower than the M6's until you put a higher stall torque converter in.

And someone mentioned cars costing $70k? Vipers do yeah, but not even the Z06 costs that much.

And to the fella who says Vipers will wipe the road with Z06's. Think again is all I'll say 8)

turbo97SE -

Nice dyno numbers Good luck with the car.

 

Maxima's weigh 2200lbs?

Not according to Nissan!

Manual transmission N/A 3,320 N/A
Automatic transmission 3,242 3,357 3,308

http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/Mo...s/1,9439,20360||,00.html?displayAll#curbweightsAnchor

Same weight. 'vettes have a better weight distrobution too.

 

Well it either really wasn't a very good driver, a VERY crappy track or high elevation.

A first year Z06 (385hp/385 ft-lb torque variety) on the slow *** track I run at which is at 990' above sea level will run 12.7's all day with a poor driver. A 2002 with 405hp/400ft-lb torque will run 12.4's all day. And yes both were stock when they ran those times.

 

Mod for Mod they do. Corvettes and all LS4 engines are great but its not really a fair comparison. If the Viper can hook up, the Vette is toasted extra crispy. Go to www.corvetteforum.com and see for yourself. The only Vettes that keep up are extremely modded.

Either way a Max is not keeping up with a Vette unless it is extremely modded since I agree with you that they run high 12s or low 13s with just a couple simple mods like exhaust and intake.

 

Alright guys, how about the Z06 tries to race the max with three passengers in the car? oh wait.. it can't fit that many....

 

Not true.... A LS6 well driven will give a Viper a hell of a run. Its basically a drivers race. My friend has raced them in his Z06 both on the street and at the track.

 

Whether the turbo'd Maxima is going to win or lose by 5 seconds isnt the major deal here. The factthat with mods the Max can even hang with them is pretty incredible to me. Nice sleeper setup.

SuDZ

 

I agree. People always think the most HP means the quickest. The Max has a lot of good things going for it, mainly torque and being lightwieght. When adding mods correctly, only better things can happen for the Max.

 

 

A LS1 can for about $3,500 (heads and cam) do 400 RWHP and a ATI supercharger $7,000 will get you 500+ RWHP at which point you start running into real traction problems even with the 295 35 18s.
The LS6 ZO6 is even more with supercharger. There are 700 HP cars out there.

 

2800 lbs mine weighed.. and i already accepted the fact i was wrong.. read on

 

and this is the GREATEST point...

The vet was dragging close behind him a FAMILY CAR! You get it? 4 doors, comfortability, some luxury, thinner tires, no sport weight distribution, grocery run capability, freakin seating capacity of 5!!!

Man, Vette, Viper, Maxima all in the same discussion

Who else thinks it's funny?

 

Finally, someone that sees the funny side!

 

LS4? I think you mean LS6 You try getting a Viper to hook up off the line ;P Then again if a Vette with a 6 speed is anything like my Formula with a 6 speed then it's a huge pain in the *** to get a good launch with.

Low 13's or high 12's with NO mods and a good launch. Well I should specify that 2001's and 2002's will. 97-00 are a little slower. 01's and 02's have the older Z06 intake (from thr 385hp/385ft-lb torque variety) and it's apparently that much better than the old one.

If I could launch the damned thing my Formula could run low 13's completely stock with only lower rear tire pressure, but I can't launch it to save my life, so until I actually do it I'll only speculate and not say it's for sure

Cars all boil down to what a persons priorities and personal preferences are. You bought a Maxima because you wanted a fairly nice car that had a decent ride and was moderately fast.

I bought my Grand Prix GTP for the same reasons. Then I started racing the thing and wanted something with a little bit more and that was less likely to break when I started getting serious. So now I have the Formula. Now that I have it I wouldn't trade it for anything. The only problem with it is the winters up here in Western New York. Ask The Blue about our winters up here ;P Last years was mild, but usually they're rough. So now I have to find a winter beater

 

Like most people I answer messages in the order I read them 8)

 

Yeah I meant LS6. Was actually looking at a Vette but the wife put the Kabash on that. She said my sportbike is enough toy for me. I suppose she has a point.

As for launching. I went to the track on my bike and had a terrible time trying to launch. I assume a high hp car would be the same way except you wouldn't wheelie. That's where I've heard the Vipers have issues. I also know about the twin turbo package for the Vette. But then again, there are mods for the Viper (and Max) too. Just depends how much $ you want to spend. Similarly for $3500 or so I coulds make my 500 pound cycle get a 300 hp dyno readout-but I won't.

 

Sorry, i know this post is a little long but it made my day to read this. You dont see to many 'vette guys say this.

i would take a Viper anyday over a 'vette

 

another Vette owner leaving in fantasy land


then there ae the vette owners who say.. well do this ,this,and that to the vette and the vette will win. Okay.. you are right..lets make it even then and do the same to the viper and see who wins. You have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

 

I always answer after I read the whole thread

 

I don't own a Vette. Normal C5's wouldnt stand a chance, Z06's on the other hand will in the 1/4mile. On a very long striaght piece of highway I'd give it to the Viper if only because of more top end. In anything that requires handling it goes to the Z06 again.

I don't play the "do this that and the other game". We could sit and do that forever and not prove anything.

When you're talking the amount of horsepower these cars are making and the times they are capable of running the 55hp difference between the Viper and the Z06 isn't that much. The torque difference on the other hand is a large margin in the Viper's favor.

Nothing wrong with Vipers at all they're really sharp cars. Are they worth the ~$75,000 base price? Not in my opinion, but I'm sure theres quite a few folks who think they are worth it. If I had that much cash to waste and it could only go to cars it'd definately go towards a Z06 and some sort of winter vehicle (probably a truck; have you ever tried getting a sheet of plywood or dry wall home with a 'vette? I can however fit a 12' ladder into my Firechicken much easier than the same ladder went into my Grand Prix.)

 

Are you most people?

 

Yes

 

A realatively high percentage of C5s are modded. For $300>$700 you can go from 350 to 390 hp and it is realatively cheap to get to 500 hp as you have 5.7 liters to exploit.

In the end stock to stock > Vette
modded to modded > Vette

Let's admit that the Max is a great car and has us as devoted owners and the other cars out there have their following. Some are "advantaged" from the factory in terms of certain capabilities.

 

In the end mod to mod = Skyline..especially that drag R32 with 1200HP, except it can only go straight

 

You big meanie!



Hehe anyways