3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
10-05-2002, 02:28 PM
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3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
As soon as i sell my cougar im gonna be getting a Maxima. For a while now i wanted a 97-99 4th gen 5spd, but i would have to get a small loan for it and then would have to get full coverage insurence, or i could just buy a 92-94 se 3rd gen and not have a loan and get basic insurence. what should i do ?
10-05-2002, 02:38 PM
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Re: 3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
If u can find a 94 SE 5 speed with low mile than you should definantly buy it. You will have top quility and almost the same performance as a 4th gen. You just won't have a S?C or Turbo option. Turbo is possible though
10-05-2002, 02:41 PM
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VE 5 speed, you will be just as fast as a 4th gen, but out handle them. You can turbo! It is iron block and is built to handle more boost...A VE turbo should put out a little more than a VQ boosted and handle it better.
dont get an auto 3rd gen tho
10-05-2002, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
VE 5 speed, you will be just as fast as a 4th gen, but out handle them. You can turbo! It is iron block and is built to handle more boost...A VE turbo should put out a little more than a VQ boosted and handle it better.
VE 5 speed, you will be just as fast as a 4th gen, but out handle them. You can turbo! It is iron block and is built to handle more boost...A VE turbo should put out a little more than a VQ boosted and handle it better.
10-05-2002, 03:01 PM
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Re: 3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
Originally posted by shi89max
As soon as i sell my cougar im gonna be getting a Maxima. For a while now i wanted a 97-99 4th gen 5spd, but i would have to get a small loan for it and then would have to get full coverage insurence, or i could just buy a 92-94 se 3rd gen and not have a loan and get basic insurence. what should i do ?
As soon as i sell my cougar im gonna be getting a Maxima. For a while now i wanted a 97-99 4th gen 5spd, but i would have to get a small loan for it and then would have to get full coverage insurence, or i could just buy a 92-94 se 3rd gen and not have a loan and get basic insurence. what should i do ?
10-05-2002, 03:08 PM
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4th Gen's are 100lb lighter, and have 15 lb-ft more torque. They'll accelerate harder than a 3rd Gen VE. Iron blocks are heavy. 
But 4th Gen's don't have VLSD (more difficult to launch hard), nor do they have independent rear suspension (stupid beam!
), so 3rd Gen's have their pluses too, along with better overall build quality.
Either way you're getting a nice car
But 4th Gen's don't have VLSD (more difficult to launch hard), nor do they have independent rear suspension (stupid beam!
), so 3rd Gen's have their pluses too, along with better overall build quality.Either way you're getting a nice car
10-05-2002, 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC 4th Gen's are 100lb lighter, and have 15 lb-ft more torque. They'll accelerate harder than a 3rd Gen VE. Iron blocks are heavy.
But 4th Gen's don't have VLSD (more difficult to launch hard), nor do they have independent rear suspension
We will keep b!tching, but you need to go drive a '94 SE 5spd and a '95 SE 5spd, and make your decision. You will notice significantly more punch down low with the '95, that's for sure.
10-05-2002, 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
You are delusional, my VE auto had more down low the thezcarguys 97 SE 5 speed. And any "True" sports car DOES NOT have a beam.
You are delusional, my VE auto had more down low the thezcarguys 97 SE 5 speed. And any "True" sports car DOES NOT have a beam.
Your statement defies the laws of physics.
I agree with you on the beam part though
10-05-2002, 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
Thanks But I have 2 VE's Fully Modded Auto and a Bone Stock 5 speed.
Thanks
But I have 2 VE's Fully Modded Auto and a Bone Stock 5 speed.
10-05-2002, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
They have 15lb ft more torque in the same way the 2k2 Altima has 15 less HP The dyno does not show anymore torque and the motor is lighter, but the overall car is not.
They have 15lb ft more torque in the same way the 2k2 Altima has 15 less HP
The dyno does not show anymore torque and the motor is lighter, but the overall car is not.
Factory curb weights for the 4th Gen's are in the 30xx's vs 31xx's for the 3rd Gen's. Iron is heavy. Aluminium is light.
Unless you can show me a factory curb weight spec on a 3rd gen of 29xx lb's, I'm afraid that 4th gen's are in fact a good bit lighter
10-05-2002, 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Stock VQ's dyno in the 17x's TQ vs 16x's TQ on the VE's
Factory curb weights for the 4th Gen's are in the 30xx's vs 31xx's for the 3rd Gen's. Iron is heavy. Aluminium is light.
Unless you can show me a factory curb weight spec on a 3rd gen of 29xx lb's, I'm afraid that 4th gen's are in fact a good bit lighter
Stock VQ's dyno in the 17x's TQ vs 16x's TQ on the VE's
Factory curb weights for the 4th Gen's are in the 30xx's vs 31xx's for the 3rd Gen's. Iron is heavy. Aluminium is light.
Unless you can show me a factory curb weight spec on a 3rd gen of 29xx lb's, I'm afraid that 4th gen's are in fact a good bit lighter
10-05-2002, 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
Now you are going to make me search. I know the 3rd gen is lighter I have seen stuff to back it, let me check my drive. And the 4th gen is more like 3200lb. And I will get some dyno numbers on the 5 speed as soon as I get a chance.
Now you are going to make me search. I know the 3rd gen is lighter I have seen stuff to back it, let me check my drive. And the 4th gen is more like 3200lb. And I will get some dyno numbers on the 5 speed as soon as I get a chance.
10-05-2002, 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
Now you are going to make me search. I know the 3rd gen is lighter I have seen stuff to back it, let me check my drive. And the 4th gen is more like 3200lb. And I will get some dyno numbers on the 5 speed as soon as I get a chance.
Now you are going to make me search. I know the 3rd gen is lighter I have seen stuff to back it, let me check my drive. And the 4th gen is more like 3200lb. And I will get some dyno numbers on the 5 speed as soon as I get a chance.
92 SE 5spd: 3129 lb
95 SE 5spd: 3001 lb
99 SE 5spd: 3014 lb
I know these numbers aren't 100% accurate, but they are definitely "ballpark". Even a mag reviewing the 95 Maxima said it was 100 lb lighter than before because of the switch to an aluminum block/head engine vs the iron block from before.
PS, the 5th Gen's are the ones that weigh 32xx lb
10-05-2002, 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
Damn you sprint, dont you ever sleep?
Damn you sprint, dont you ever sleep?
and on weekends between the hours of 5:00 am and 9:00 am EST
if i have car stuff to do.. then the weekends are 3:00 am and 8:00 am EST
10-05-2002, 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
At 2000rpm, a 95 VQ has 20 lb-ft more torque at the wheels than a VE does (dyno-proven, around 160 fwtq vs 140ish fwtq) and also around 100 lb less weight. Plus you have an auto (more loss).
Your statement defies the laws of physics.
I agree with you on the beam part though
At 2000rpm, a 95 VQ has 20 lb-ft more torque at the wheels than a VE does (dyno-proven, around 160 fwtq vs 140ish fwtq) and also around 100 lb less weight. Plus you have an auto (more loss).
Your statement defies the laws of physics.
I agree with you on the beam part though
...but what does it put down after 4500? 3rd gen 5-speed have variable intakes and lsd (and they handle better). i'd go with a 3rd gen 5-speed anyday.
10-05-2002, 09:35 PM
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Re: 3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
Originally posted by shi89max
As soon as i sell my cougar im gonna be getting a Maxima. For a while now i wanted a 97-99 4th gen 5spd, but i would have to get a small loan for it and then would have to get full coverage insurence, or i could just buy a 92-94 se 3rd gen and not have a loan and get basic insurence. what should i do ?
As soon as i sell my cougar im gonna be getting a Maxima. For a while now i wanted a 97-99 4th gen 5spd, but i would have to get a small loan for it and then would have to get full coverage insurence, or i could just buy a 92-94 se 3rd gen and not have a loan and get basic insurence. what should i do ?
10-05-2002, 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by alphaoenz
Greg, why dont you just get a car that comes with lsd, independent suspension, and "pre boosted"??
Greg, why dont you just get a car that comes with lsd, independent suspension, and "pre boosted"??
10-05-2002, 10:10 PM
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Re: Re: 3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
Originally posted by jim90gxe
A 4th gen isn't worth a loan and full coverage. Either get a ve 5spd or a 2k2+ with that loan.
A 4th gen isn't worth a loan and full coverage. Either get a ve 5spd or a 2k2+ with that loan.
10-05-2002, 10:48 PM
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Re: Re: 3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
Originally posted by jim90gxe
A 4th gen isn't worth a loan and full coverage. Either get a ve 5spd or a 2k2+ with that loan.
A 4th gen isn't worth a loan and full coverage. Either get a ve 5spd or a 2k2+ with that loan.
10-05-2002, 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by dmontzmax
Now you are going to make me search. I know the 3rd gen is lighter I have seen stuff to back it, let me check my drive. And the 4th gen is more like 3200lb. And I will get some dyno numbers on the 5 speed as soon as I get a chance.
Now you are going to make me search. I know the 3rd gen is lighter I have seen stuff to back it, let me check my drive. And the 4th gen is more like 3200lb. And I will get some dyno numbers on the 5 speed as soon as I get a chance.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=151786
Btw I have the Motor Trend issue that SWEETSOUND2001 stated in that thread plus the 1995 Motor Trend Import Car of the Year issue which states that the 4th gen is 108lbs lighter than the 3rd gen
10-06-2002, 08:40 AM
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Re: Re: Re: 3rd gen(no loan) or 4th gen (loan)
Originally posted by shi89max
i dont really like the look of the 5th gens.
i dont really like the look of the 5th gens.
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