Economy class??? Please sit in a loaded GTI and then sit in the Vette and tell me which company cares about quality and attention to detail.

Ahhhh, I don't think you know what an APR Stage III upgrade is. The Stage III includes a new turbo, cast iron manifold, fully programmed 4-program ECU, injectors, and some other bolt-on parts. Granted, the kit cost $4000 plus another $800-1000 on a downpipe and catback, but you can pick up a 2001 GTI 1.8T for $17000-18000 fully loaded. Please do yourself a favor and watch this video of a black GTI stage III whopping up on a pro-mod Vette:

http://www.goapr.com/VW/products/images/Dragstrip.wmv

The only Vette that would get my money is the Z06. Why get a 13-second Vette when GM is offering a C5 capable of 11s, STOCK. You know you'll always envy the Z06


Dave

 

 

Yeah, and they're only pulling high 1.9 60 foots!!! If APR really wanted to push the stock tranny to the critical level, they could easily pull off some lower 1.8 60 foots and grab some 12.3s.


Dave

 

...Buy A Trans Am. Their more hardcore, less expensive and just about as fast as a corvette. Plus you can fit four people in it(Midgets), and can claim your the son of Michael Knight. Just remember Barbie drives a corvette, a real man drives a Trans Am. See Smokey and the Bandit and Knight Rider for more information on this. I'm actually thinking about getting a T/A, Either a new one for a second car or a 3rd Gen for a KITT conversion.

 

Agreed. IMHO, VW's are extremely gay in every way, shape, and form. That's just MY opinion though, so don't get offended people. And the 1.8T's sound absolutely horrible with exhausts...I heard one the other day and it makes civics sound like mustangs.

 

AMEN, I sure aint reincarnating into some butterfly damnit

 

Gay? Well I guess that's a matter of opinion.

As for the sound, take a look and listen. This a mid-12 second VW GTI. It's far quieter than a Max with y-pipe/catback and it's lightyears faster. Just something to consider

http://www.goapr.com/VW/products/ima...osedcourse.wmv


Dave

 

Ah yes, but all this is sending more boost into a 1.8 L engine. Just how many pounds of boost does that GTI have going through it to run 12s? How long do you seriously think any engine could last under those conditions? Or the clutch, tranny etc. Not to mention its STILL front wheel drive. Nothing like breaking the rear end of the car loose or being able to do powerslides.

You even say so yourself in a later post that they're pushing the stock tranny to critical levels. Where the T56 tranny is good to 600 HP. Put $4000 of mod work into the Corvette and we'll see what it runs. One of the fastest vehicles on the road is the Lingenfelter TT vette, and thats only one of the tuners out there. And last time I played Need for Speed, they featured Ferrari, Lamborghinis, Lotus' and Corvettes. But no VW's?

And yes, VW's are for queers, everything bout them and the 'da da da' commercials.

Ok bout the Z06. For the money you can modify a regular C5 into something very capable of beating a z06 for less money. Find me a Z06 for less then $30,000 as well. Oh yeah and the z06 only comes in hard top form. I want the coupe version cause I need to fit my stereo in the hatch and I also need the removeable top. So no I really wouldnt want the Z06 anyway. Just like how some people here dont want a SE max and buy the GXE instead for similar reasons.

 

Okay this isn't a Chevolet forum okay? Wrap it up because this thread is going El locko very soon.

Just buy what the hell you want Eric. You don't have to justify it to anyone so what's the use in arguing about it.

 

Wooooooooo! I'm shakin' in my boots!

Dave, I don't care if those cars can do 0-60 in 1 second and the 1/4th in 3.3 second....they, and VW's in general, are still the most feminine and petite cars ever. Coming from a real mans car like a Z28, I don't know why you love little VW's soo much. And yeayeayea if a guy is secure enough in his sexuality then who cares what he drives, yatiyatiyati...but VW's are where I draw the limit!

 

I agree, VW are the gayest cars in the world, they are about equal with something along the lines of a Honda Del Sol when it comes to being Gay. Z28's, T/A are real mans cars, heck even a Maxima is a really manly car next to a VW. VW = Gay and we should nuke Mexico and Germany for passing along these fruit cars.


If I have offended any Mexicans or Germans I'm sorry, but VW are super gay.

 

BTW VW also equals Hitlers Car, Look at the History Channel sometime VW buyers.

 

There is no such a thing as a car. I'd love to drive a purple, hell a pink stock looking Mazda Miata with a 300RWHP turbo kit as a weekend car

 

T-56 is good to 600hp?? When did GM start rating trannies in terms of HP. They've always been rated in torque. The T-56 is rated to ~450 ft/lbs and the 4L60E auto is rated to 400 ft/lbs.

ANY car will break if you abuse it. Even the T-56s in the Z06s are pushed nearly to the limit and lots of guys are already having problems with their Z06s.

The 1.8 VW motor is very stout and the 320-350hp APR Stage III kit is within the limits of the motor. The Stage III kit puts down ~230-250fwtq, but the torque doesn't hit like an anvil as like in a strong V8. The VW makes it power thru revs and the V8 makes it through displacement.

As for the powerslides, with your track record, I wouldn't be surprised if you wrap that RWD V8 around a pole. I don't think you understand how quickly that much power and RWD will get you into trouble. I guess you'll just have to understand for yourself.


Dave

 

A Z28 is a "real man's car". Please, I didn't feel special or more masculine driving a "Z28".

If you honestly believe that the kind of car you dictates the kind of person you are or your sexuality then I guess you're a bit insecure about how people percieve you.

I'll make sure to do this out the window as I'm running away from your SC Max (assuming I get a GTI or WRX as my next car).


Dave

 

I'll have to agree with you Dave. I recently had an opportunity to drivea 97 540i that I was selling. As you can imagine, I had a lot of fun driving the car. I decided to do a powerslide around a corner. Me being a RWD newbie (my LS400 doesn't count, not enough power and too heavy) I turned the traction off and completely floored the car going around the corner, making a right turn. What happened in the next few seconds took me completely by suprise. The car downshifted I think into 2nd gear and the rear end completely broke loose and started sliding sideways south on that street. I was freaked and I've never done this in any car. I slammed on the brakes and tried to correct only to have the car do exactly the same thing except in other direction. I was between oncoming traffic and a row of parked cars going south on a busy street sideways in BMW. This car did not even belong to me so needless to say, I was scared ****less. After switching direction of my slide 3 or 4 times, I was somehow able to stop the car without hitting anything and drove it back like a grandma. This was in a 3700 pound car that puts down 260ish HP to the ground. I can only imagine what would happen in a 3200 Vette with 320ish wheel HP

Well, that's my Sunday story.

 

Ahh yeah this discussion gets better by the minute. I got the horsepower rating by doing research on the net such as corvetteforums.com, c5registry.com etc. In that case I'd hate to see what the maxima tranny is rated it. Yet theres some people here pushin 350 HP and still dont have their tranny's blow up on them.

As for my track record, really how bad is it? I've never totaled a car. Infact anytime I've hit anything I've never hit another car. First and last and only major crash in my moms 98 Camry was when I was 16, I hit a deer. I have wrecked the bike before, but I was doing dumb tricks in a parking lot and hit a curb so go figure. As for the maxima I've never wrecked it except the time I drove it over a curb in a heat of road rage which didnt cause any permanent damage. And if it was so bad, how would my insurance be "only" $2000 a year for a c5 vette. There is also traction control on the corvette. Although I have not tested the limits of one yet, my friend who drove a C5 corvette at the bragg-smith driving school said he purposely tried to spin the car out at about 85 and the traction control prevented it. But o well, depending on what religion you are you live only once. Might as well have a blast.

 

Starting from the bottom:
Kia
Geo
Daewoo
Hyundai
Suzuki
Yugo
Honda('cept del sol or civic)
Mazda
GM all brands
Nissan
Toyota
Ford
Mercury
BMW, etc...

Which sums up that VW is the gayest cars in the world. Just kidding, BTW and who brought VW into the equation in the first place.

 

My 94 Z28 had ~290rwhp and was an auto. That car bit me in the a$$ many times and I'm very lucky because I never wrecked it. My three most scary stories in the Z28:

1) As I'm passing an old lady who's taking up 1.5 lanes, I go WOT (40mph zone). The weather is humid and I don't realize that the street is slightly wet. As my Z28 kicks down into 2nd, the rear end feels floaty. The next thing I know, the rear tires are spinning wildly and the back end is starting to slide to the right as I'm going 55-60mph. I think to myself, "if I start getting pushed to the right and loose control, I'm going across the grass median into on coming traffic. I quickly think, "don't hit the brakes or you'll just go into a spin, dumba$$". I slowly lift off the gas, countersteer, and pray that the tires hook up softly. I was lucky and the tires settled back in. All this occured in the time span of ~5 seconds and could have been very nasty. This is how many guys wreck their high power RWD V8s.

2) As I'm coming out of a park with my buddy riding shotgun, he begs for me to gun it into powerslide thru the left turn into the street. No big deal I thought, I've done it hundreds of times. I leave the Z28 in 1st (good to 53mph) and I lay into the gas halfway thru the turn. The tires spin and I'm sliding then all of a sudden the tires hook up hard and the chassis torques over (leans) to the right real hard. Now I'm heading for the concrete median on my left. I yank the wheel right to get going straight, but now the tires start spinning again the car starts sliding to the right. I lift off the gas and the tires bit hard again so now I'm going left again while the car is rocking back and forth wildly. How I avoided the curbs or loosing all out control is beyond me. My friend turned bright white and never asked me to do that again.

3) Driving in the snow always proved impossible. Even with traction control, you simply can't go anywhere because 1-foot wide Z-rated tires will not cut thru the snow. I don't know how many times I'd be coming down a slightly snow covered hill at 10mph and hit the brakes only to have the ABS pulse under my foot as I'm sliding. Talk about feeling helpless. Starting on any kind of an incline was nearly impossible. I had to carry bags of kitty litter to throw under the tires when I got stuck (on 1-2" of snow no less).


Every single one of my other friends who had F-Bodies and Stangs were not so fortunate. They all wrecked while showboating. Some had worse than others. Some just slammed a curb in a slide (most common) which typically bent some suspension and broke wheels and blew out tires. The worst was my buddy with a GT tried to avoid a deer and ended up doing a 360 and then rolled the GT into a ditch.

The worst thing I've personnaly seen is a guy showboating in his Lightning. He laid into the gas going straight, the back end got pretty sideways, the tranny shifted, the truck started torquing (like in story #2), he was trying to correct, but he went straight in to a curb at 45-50mph (wheels spinning at 80-90mph), then the truck barrel rolled 3 times and ended up on it's side.


Dave

 

Well I hope no one tells my hot wife I'm because she'd be so disappointed We (me actually) got on the subject of VWs because you can buy a 2001 VW GTI 1.8T for 17k-18K, buy the very high quality APR Stage III 350hp turbo upgrade plus exhaust for $5000, and be running quicker times (12.6-12.8@114-116mph) than a more expensive and modified C5.


Dave