Ok....when is a Maxima gonna try and compete/enter the SCC challenge?
01-05-2003, 12:38 AM
#42
Originally posted by spanishrice
I just read the sports compact car magazine, haha. The maxima could have a very good chnace especially with a good driver. Its all up to the peole though. We could get the whole org to vote for a Maxima becuase only 4000 thousand people voted this year. Hell ya! I was reading baout these peoples car, the onyl one that sound like problems is the viper and the little car with rotary engine in it. It only weighs 1800 pounds!
I saw we gut a 4th gen, becuase I tihnk thats the one that has the most potential.
Suspension what people said before and warpseed subframe connectors.
A turbo without mevi, we need low rpm horses not high, you truning often. We don't want to be like the silly supra with all the high pm horses. Then we need to take as much as we can out of the car, lighten it, as much titanium and carbon fiber as we can. And probally around 450 to 500 fwhp. Thats the only way we can compete, I mean theres a freaking 10 second dsm that weighs 3100 pounds as much as our 4th gens. Let it begin!!!
I just read the sports compact car magazine, haha. The maxima could have a very good chnace especially with a good driver. Its all up to the peole though. We could get the whole org to vote for a Maxima becuase only 4000 thousand people voted this year. Hell ya! I was reading baout these peoples car, the onyl one that sound like problems is the viper and the little car with rotary engine in it. It only weighs 1800 pounds!
I saw we gut a 4th gen, becuase I tihnk thats the one that has the most potential. Suspension what people said before and warpseed subframe connectors.
A turbo without mevi, we need low rpm horses not high, you truning often. We don't want to be like the silly supra with all the high pm horses. Then we need to take as much as we can out of the car, lighten it, as much titanium and carbon fiber as we can. And probally around 450 to 500 fwhp. Thats the only way we can compete, I mean theres a freaking 10 second dsm that weighs 3100 pounds as much as our 4th gens. Let it begin!!!
Only 4k votes? 17k+ members here.. there gotta be at least 4k or 5k in 4th gen owners.
Someone should apply, then there's about a year for tallying votes and deciding who's going to compete... plenty of time to whip something up. The best part is that if we can get a lot of people from the .org to vote, then it won't matter what mods are published in the magazine.
01-05-2003, 08:32 AM
#43
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Originally posted by Maximamike
Your comments about Mani's car being setup for drag racing humor me. I'm sure your comments of Supras and road racing would go over well with Andi and a buncha the other road racers on SF. Maybe try researching the cars before you bash them? Ho' well..
Your comments about Mani's car being setup for drag racing humor me. I'm sure your comments of Supras and road racing would go over well with Andi and a buncha the other road racers on SF. Maybe try researching the cars before you bash them? Ho' well..
HOWEVER!
Did I or did I NOT say that the JGTC supras with good suspensions installed are good on the track. Oh wait. I did.
And the Ho comments are uneccessary. I dislike Supras for personal reasons, but I did state that the ones set up properly are okay. Please don't comment on my comments in a manner that only addresses one section of something I wrote; it's pedantic and patronizing.
01-05-2003, 12:58 PM
#44
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Originally posted by Lime
Ho? You're calling me a ho? AHAHAHAHHAHA! yeah, I'm a ho. I know a lot about Supras, actually. However, with all of the Supra boys in the NE, and most generally, are only set up to go in a straight line; people who want to be known for having fast cars don't care about how fast they are on a road course. This usually applies to the younger kids who just want speed and have money to burn. I see it a lot around here.
HOWEVER!
Did I or did I NOT say that the JGTC supras with good suspensions installed are good on the track. Oh wait. I did.
And the Ho comments are uneccessary. I dislike Supras for personal reasons, but I did state that the ones set up properly are okay. Please don't comment on my comments in a manner that only addresses one section of something I wrote; it's pedantic and patronizing.
Ho? You're calling me a ho? AHAHAHAHHAHA! yeah, I'm a ho. I know a lot about Supras, actually. However, with all of the Supra boys in the NE, and most generally, are only set up to go in a straight line; people who want to be known for having fast cars don't care about how fast they are on a road course. This usually applies to the younger kids who just want speed and have money to burn. I see it a lot around here.
HOWEVER!
Did I or did I NOT say that the JGTC supras with good suspensions installed are good on the track. Oh wait. I did.
And the Ho comments are uneccessary. I dislike Supras for personal reasons, but I did state that the ones set up properly are okay. Please don't comment on my comments in a manner that only addresses one section of something I wrote; it's pedantic and patronizing.
I commented on your comments that were wrong. Thats the only thing I was addressing. If you have a problem with me correcting your mistakes, you should probably disconnect your Cat5/phone cable from the back of your computer. Have a nice day.
01-05-2003, 05:31 PM
#45
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Originally posted by Maximamike
I don't see the references to you being a ho, but if you feel that way?
I commented on your comments that were wrong. Thats the only thing I was addressing. If you have a problem with me correcting your mistakes, you should probably disconnect your Cat5/phone cable from the back of your computer. Have a nice day.
I don't see the references to you being a ho, but if you feel that way?
I commented on your comments that were wrong. Thats the only thing I was addressing. If you have a problem with me correcting your mistakes, you should probably disconnect your Cat5/phone cable from the back of your computer. Have a nice day.
01-06-2003, 05:05 AM
#48
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I really could care less, but I don't like when people don't read what I say and argue it AND call my opinions wrong lol...opinions, no matter what they are, can't be WRONG. <shrug> Hell, my opinion of all od Toyota's sports cars are: nipping at Nissan's heels and copying Nissan's ideas to get a spot in the market, starting from 1968. BUT, this is my opinion! 
Anyway, to get back on topic, I still feel the 3rd gen would be more effective in the competition, even though it's not quite as sessy looking as the 4th gen!
Anyway, to get back on topic, I still feel the 3rd gen would be more effective in the competition, even though it's not quite as sessy looking as the 4th gen!
01-06-2003, 05:48 AM
#49
Originally posted by MAXIN
ohhh yes...this car....i stumbled onto an article about this a while back... yes that explains the "stock internals"
ohhh yes...this car....i stumbled onto an article about this a while back... yes that explains the "stock internals"
01-06-2003, 06:09 AM
#51
Originally posted by Dave B
The thing is though most of these Jerkys have the big bank account...
Dave
The thing is though most of these Jerkys have the big bank account...
Dave
01-06-2003, 06:20 AM
#52
Originally posted by CKNY
next time around every member should pitch in like $5... we'll build up a maxima.org project maxima and everyone can help in modifying it real nice - and enter it. we'll try to bring back andi baritchi to be our driver. max exposure for maxima.org!!
the car should be alone the lines of...
4th gen (black of course!) with
mevi
turbo with about 8psi
a few nice sets of tires on 16" kosei's?
jic coilovers
bars all around including a gutted interior with roll cage
cf hood
and a few other goodies =)
or we can just steal delio's car and enter that
next time around every member should pitch in like $5... we'll build up a maxima.org project maxima and everyone can help in modifying it real nice - and enter it. we'll try to bring back andi baritchi to be our driver. max exposure for maxima.org!!
the car should be alone the lines of...
4th gen (black of course!) with
mevi
turbo with about 8psi
a few nice sets of tires on 16" kosei's?
jic coilovers
bars all around including a gutted interior with roll cage
cf hood
and a few other goodies =)
or we can just steal delio's car and enter that
01-09-2003, 03:32 PM
#53
Originally posted by Nealoc187
Too bad those "stock internals" were from a different car. Yes the Tiburon comes with an N/A 4g63 stock, but the motors were turbo 4g63s transplanted from DSMs. 627 is the sum of the hp the two engines produced, so about 310 a piece (I think it was like 300 and 320ish).
Too bad those "stock internals" were from a different car. Yes the Tiburon comes with an N/A 4g63 stock, but the motors were turbo 4g63s transplanted from DSMs. 627 is the sum of the hp the two engines produced, so about 310 a piece (I think it was like 300 and 320ish).
01-09-2003, 04:10 PM
#54
Maximas in SCCC....................
Some of you guys have good points, pros and cons. However I believe the Maxima have a very good chance of placing the top 5 of a SCCA sanctioned event. It is all about the suspension setup vs road course conditions. I watch Speedvision all the time and some teams races Honda Civics! Even in the BTCC (Brittish Touring Car Championship) there is a Honda Civic Hatchback racing there too (never place anywhere in the top 10 though). If I had at least 1/4 of what Bill Gates have (a cool mil at the least) I would try and put a Maxima on the starting grid.
We gotta look at it this way: Nissan, Toyota, and Honda makes decent race cars. In the JGTC (Japan GT Championships), Toyota and Honda kinda dominate the field. There are only a few Skylines in each race (not to mention Lamborghini, they are there too...) and at least one of the Skylines are placing the top 5 at the end of a race. The reason the Maxima isn't in an sanctioned racing event is either it is too good looking to be banged up, or no one has the ***** (or pockets deep enough) to put one one the grid.
We gotta look at it this way: Nissan, Toyota, and Honda makes decent race cars. In the JGTC (Japan GT Championships), Toyota and Honda kinda dominate the field. There are only a few Skylines in each race (not to mention Lamborghini, they are there too...) and at least one of the Skylines are placing the top 5 at the end of a race. The reason the Maxima isn't in an sanctioned racing event is either it is too good looking to be banged up, or no one has the ***** (or pockets deep enough) to put one one the grid.
01-09-2003, 06:35 PM
#55
Originally posted by krismax
I dont know where you got this info from but not one thing is right.well it is a tiberon.first i have the very mag in my hands right now that holds the answers it is the feb 2002 scc the pretest writeup.first its says there are two beta engines(tiberon engine code)one in the front one in the rear both are turbo ,nonintercooled and run on methanol and internal mods:none.Each engine at 15lbs of boost,it also has two stock tiberon trannys.this car runs a 10.6.
I dont know where you got this info from but not one thing is right.well it is a tiberon.first i have the very mag in my hands right now that holds the answers it is the feb 2002 scc the pretest writeup.first its says there are two beta engines(tiberon engine code)one in the front one in the rear both are turbo ,nonintercooled and run on methanol and internal mods:none.Each engine at 15lbs of boost,it also has two stock tiberon trannys.this car runs a 10.6.
01-09-2003, 08:14 PM
#56
Isn't there like skylines with vq engines. 
Oh ya there is! I think the maxima would be awsome, that freaking Integra has $80,000 and is still crap. Supra is crap, it has 2 10s behind the drivers seat, is he stupid or what, he just has money to burn. I say we get a stripped down maxima, and blow them sucka's away!
Oh ya there is! I think the maxima would be awsome, that freaking Integra has $80,000 and is still crap. Supra is crap, it has 2 10s behind the drivers seat, is he stupid or what, he just has money to burn. I say we get a stripped down maxima, and blow them sucka's away!
01-09-2003, 09:04 PM
#57
Papasmurf's Maxima would definitely fare well against most of those cars. Especially in roadcourse. The car weighs in at 2670. It has a full custom designed coilover setup as well as an upgraded brake system. The power is in abundance, but could use a little boost to keep up with some of the BIG boys (ie, Viper) There is a lot of work done to this car, and it PERFORMS!!
01-09-2003, 09:47 PM
#58
Originally posted by NightRider
Papasmurf's Maxima would definitely fare well against most of those cars. Especially in roadcourse. The car weighs in at 2670. It has a full custom designed coilover setup as well as an upgraded brake system. The power is in abundance, but could use a little boost to keep up with some of the BIG boys (ie, Viper) There is a lot of work done to this car, and it PERFORMS!!
Papasmurf's Maxima would definitely fare well against most of those cars. Especially in roadcourse. The car weighs in at 2670. It has a full custom designed coilover setup as well as an upgraded brake system. The power is in abundance, but could use a little boost to keep up with some of the BIG boys (ie, Viper) There is a lot of work done to this car, and it PERFORMS!!
01-09-2003, 09:50 PM
#59
Originally posted by Lime
Anyway, to get back on topic, I still feel the 3rd gen would be more effective in the competition, even though it's not quite as sessy looking as the 4th gen!
Anyway, to get back on topic, I still feel the 3rd gen would be more effective in the competition, even though it's not quite as sessy looking as the 4th gen!
is it the irs ? hmmm.
01-09-2003, 10:27 PM
#60
Originally posted by nismo2020
pics? link?
pics? link?
http://www.cardomain.com/id/madmax95gtr
Most recent pics:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=178277
01-09-2003, 10:34 PM
#61
Originally posted by NightRider
Mods list:
http://www.cardomain.com/id/madmax95gxe
Most recent pics:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=178277
Mods list:
http://www.cardomain.com/id/madmax95gxe
Most recent pics:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=178277
seen the other pics though.
01-09-2003, 10:52 PM
#62
Originally posted by nismo2020
cardomian down or the link isnt working. something i dunno.
seen the other pics though.
cardomian down or the link isnt working. something i dunno.
seen the other pics though.
01-09-2003, 10:56 PM
#63
Originally posted by NightRider
The second link is pictures of his reconditioning. The car was pretty torn up inside and out, so we decided to give it a face lift. At the same time, we did a new brake setup as well as prototyping a new coilover setup. The car now sits about 3" off of the ground and still retains full suspension travel. The springs are custom wound and have been dialed in at 375/450 front/rear. The ride is STIFF, but doesn't bottom out at all. In fact there isn't even any bounce. When you hit the gas, there is NO squat at all.
The second link is pictures of his reconditioning. The car was pretty torn up inside and out, so we decided to give it a face lift. At the same time, we did a new brake setup as well as prototyping a new coilover setup. The car now sits about 3" off of the ground and still retains full suspension travel. The springs are custom wound and have been dialed in at 375/450 front/rear. The ride is STIFF, but doesn't bottom out at all. In fact there isn't even any bounce. When you hit the gas, there is NO squat at all.
how did you guys come to the realization that apc civic coilovers will work on a maxima? are coilovers it that interchangeable
01-09-2003, 11:21 PM
#65
Originally posted by nismo2020
sounds intresting
how did you guys come to the realization that apc civic coilovers will work on a maxima? are coilovers it that interchangeable
sounds intresting
how did you guys come to the realization that apc civic coilovers will work on a maxima? are coilovers it that interchangeable
01-10-2003, 10:26 AM
#67
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Originally posted by NightRider
Mods list:
http://www.cardomain.com/id/madmax95gtr
Most recent pics:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=178277
Mods list:
http://www.cardomain.com/id/madmax95gtr
Most recent pics:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=178277
Running coilovers from a Civic is ingenious, but I really doubt he has "full" suspension travel if he's slammed and running stock sized struts. Full suspension travel just isn't possible unless you're running special shortened struts. The fact that the car is "stiff" and doesn't "squat" is not really a good thing. You need suspension movement and travel to keep the car from po-going around on bumps and tight turns.
Dave
01-10-2003, 11:45 AM
#68
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Are you guys serious? The maxima is not in the same league as the cars in the SCC challenge! It is not a SPORTS CAR. Neither is it a SPORT COMPACT CAR. Stop dreaming thinking you can put a Maxima in the same league as a 3000GT/STEALTH , RX-7 or Supra.
01-10-2003, 12:31 PM
#69
Not DAVEB the parts guy
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Originally posted by Titanium_Max
Are you guys serious? The maxima is not in the same league as the cars in the SCC challenge! It is not a SPORTS CAR. Neither is it a SPORT COMPACT CAR. Stop dreaming thinking you can put a Maxima in the same league as a 3000GT/STEALTH , RX-7 or Supra.
Are you guys serious? The maxima is not in the same league as the cars in the SCC challenge! It is not a SPORTS CAR. Neither is it a SPORT COMPACT CAR. Stop dreaming thinking you can put a Maxima in the same league as a 3000GT/STEALTH , RX-7 or Supra.
Same class? Nope. BUT, seeing that professional drivers are not piloting these cars, anything is possible. Put a experienced driver in a decent performing car and he'll destroy a supercar with a mediocore driver. It doesn't take much skill to go straight so obviously the super-high powered cars will win, but in the slalom, braking, road coarse, Grandma test, etc, it's fair game.
Take a look and read over some of these guys and their cars. The guy with the Supra has deep pockets, but no driving skill. The guy with the 3000GT VR4 Spyder doesn't even know what turbos he has. The Diamond Star is pushed to the brink and I believe he's running the stock diffenential (won't last). The only guys I truely fear is the autocross champ in the Viper and possibly the guy with the Skyline. If the Skyline is truely pushing the power they list, it will be hell to control under boost.
A 2950lb 4th gen 5 speed with a 4-6psi turbo and or SC, Quafie LSD, exhaust, MEVI, light 16s with DOT race tires, quality coilovers with shortened struts, and a top-of-the-line braking system would be a killer combo. This combo would be good for close to 12s in the 1/4 mile, 1 G in the turns, and massive braking abilities. The problem I see with a lot these cars in this challenge is that they are woefully tempermental.
If you build a near bullet-proof combo that does everything "good", your chances of finishing towards the top are excellent.
Dave
01-10-2003, 12:48 PM
#71
Originally posted by Titanium_Max
Yes but you FAIL to see the point! The Maxima is NOT a SPORTS CAR, nor is it a SPORT COMPACT CAR, hence SCC!
Yes but you FAIL to see the point! The Maxima is NOT a SPORTS CAR, nor is it a SPORT COMPACT CAR, hence SCC!
And yes the maxima is NOT a sports car.
But, your car weighs more than mine and can only hold 1/2 the people and 1/2 the baggage... SO WHAT!!
It not always about being anything. I guess me and a few other members see the FUN in it.
Sorry your not a fun person.
01-10-2003, 01:07 PM
#72
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Originally posted by bags533
I misspoke in the begining.. It is the Ultimate STREET Car Challenage.
And yes the maxima is NOT a sports car.
But, your car weighs more than mine and can only hold 1/2 the people and 1/2 the baggage... SO WHAT!!
It not always about being anything. I guess me and a few other members see the FUN in it.
Sorry your not a fun person.
I misspoke in the begining.. It is the Ultimate STREET Car Challenage.
And yes the maxima is NOT a sports car.
But, your car weighs more than mine and can only hold 1/2 the people and 1/2 the baggage... SO WHAT!!
It not always about being anything. I guess me and a few other members see the FUN in it.
Sorry your not a fun person.
01-10-2003, 01:20 PM
#73
Not DAVEB the parts guy
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Originally posted by Titanium_Max
Yes but you FAIL to see the point! The Maxima is NOT a SPORTS CAR, nor is it a SPORT COMPACT CAR, hence SCC!
Yes but you FAIL to see the point! The Maxima is NOT a SPORTS CAR, nor is it a SPORT COMPACT CAR, hence SCC!
What justifies a "sports car"? 2-doors? RWD? IRS? Maybe so, but a Maxima can be built-up to be very competitive with a true sports car. Sport compact? Who cares? All a "sport compact" car is, is a small car with a small motor and FWD. What's special or impressive about that? If it can accelerate quickly, go fast, handle impressively, and stops on a dime what's the difference if it's 4-doors/FWD or 2 doors/RWD?
*.....failing to see Titanium Max's logic*
Dave
01-10-2003, 01:22 PM
#74
Originally posted by Titanium_Max
I have a 03' Maxima 6-speed. It's a great car but not in the same league as my Stealth, that's for sure. Sorry if I came on a little strong, I just think a maxima is out of its place in USCC!
I have a 03' Maxima 6-speed. It's a great car but not in the same league as my Stealth, that's for sure. Sorry if I came on a little strong, I just think a maxima is out of its place in USCC!
See I do not see it as being out of place. Let me try and explain.
This is the ultimate street car challenge. Well, think about this, a 4 door car that can run 12.0 in the 1/4 mile and run the middle of the pack with modded supras,mr2's,type-r's, etc.. on a road coarse and put down 350-400 HP is a very impressive street car. ( to me )
Again I said it first, I do not think the maxima would win. But it would be fun to compete and see how close a maxima could get.
And I guees I would want to win if I put my maxima in the competition. BUT, the fact that you GOT to the dance even though your not supposed to be there would be worth it.
Hope that makes sense
and sorry if I was a little up tight... I want a VR-4
01-10-2003, 01:41 PM
#76
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Originally posted by Titanium_Max
I think the problem is not only that it has 4-doors but that it is FWD! The Maxima just doesn't have what it takes!! I love the car, don't get me wrong, but in this company it just doesn't cut it.
I think the problem is not only that it has 4-doors but that it is FWD! The Maxima just doesn't have what it takes!! I love the car, don't get me wrong, but in this company it just doesn't cut it.
01-10-2003, 02:14 PM
#77
Originally posted by GLE02NJ
how many times do I have to post this.......the integra in the competition is also FWD
how many times do I have to post this.......the integra in the competition is also FWD
Titanium_Max- I guess you just see it that way. I won't try and change your mind.
01-10-2003, 02:51 PM
#78
Originally posted by Dave B
I don't think most of us would be voting for Papa to represent our community fpr many reasons I won't list. What I find funny is that he has a page making fun of Riceboys, but he lists a "turbo" as a mod, has Altezzas, a Autozone "GT" steering wheel, and a touring wing. I guess I don't get where he's coming from.
Running coilovers from a Civic is ingenious, but I really doubt he has "full" suspension travel if he's slammed and running stock sized struts. Full suspension travel just isn't possible unless you're running special shortened struts. The fact that the car is "stiff" and doesn't "squat" is not really a good thing. You need suspension movement and travel to keep the car from po-going around on bumps and tight turns.
Dave
I don't think most of us would be voting for Papa to represent our community fpr many reasons I won't list. What I find funny is that he has a page making fun of Riceboys, but he lists a "turbo" as a mod, has Altezzas, a Autozone "GT" steering wheel, and a touring wing. I guess I don't get where he's coming from.
Running coilovers from a Civic is ingenious, but I really doubt he has "full" suspension travel if he's slammed and running stock sized struts. Full suspension travel just isn't possible unless you're running special shortened struts. The fact that the car is "stiff" and doesn't "squat" is not really a good thing. You need suspension movement and travel to keep the car from po-going around on bumps and tight turns.
Dave
P.S. Long awaited pictures will be comming soon as soon as we both find the time.
01-10-2003, 06:21 PM
#79
hmm..
I still fail to see how a Maxima COULD NOT compete in that challenge. I fail to see how ANY car built to compete could not be in that challenge. Key words "built to compete."
5spd, VQ30DE Built engine, built tranny, performance suspension, performance rims/tires, turbo @ 12psi, all the internal goodies needed to run it and get more HP out of the VQ, good to awesome driver, cleaned up interior, decent lightweight sound system, 4 DOORS!
I bet if that was a 4-door integra with same performance goodies, but enough weight reduction to offset the longer body.. it would rank higher.
They all get killed in the comfort contests. That's enough to put you to 3rd or 4th place when you average either 7th or 8th in the other sections.
I'd say we could nominate Keving's 5th gen once the turbo goes on if all goes well. Let's face it.. the 4th gen has good styling but that's among us hardcore Maxima people. The 5th gen would be held higher among SCC's judges...
I still fail to see how a Maxima COULD NOT compete in that challenge. I fail to see how ANY car built to compete could not be in that challenge. Key words "built to compete."
5spd, VQ30DE Built engine, built tranny, performance suspension, performance rims/tires, turbo @ 12psi, all the internal goodies needed to run it and get more HP out of the VQ, good to awesome driver, cleaned up interior, decent lightweight sound system, 4 DOORS!
I bet if that was a 4-door integra with same performance goodies, but enough weight reduction to offset the longer body.. it would rank higher.
They all get killed in the comfort contests. That's enough to put you to 3rd or 4th place when you average either 7th or 8th in the other sections.
I'd say we could nominate Keving's 5th gen once the turbo goes on if all goes well. Let's face it.. the 4th gen has good styling but that's among us hardcore Maxima people. The 5th gen would be held higher among SCC's judges...
01-11-2003, 07:25 PM
#80
375f 450r is not stiff. 900f 1100r is stiff!!!
The max would start at a disadvantage but the best modification to any car is a good driver. Most of those guys ar tools and can't drive the save their lives it seems. Put a great driver in heavily modded max (such as those described earlier) against those jokers and I guarantee a top 5 finish.
The max would start at a disadvantage but the best modification to any car is a good driver. Most of those guys ar tools and can't drive the save their lives it seems. Put a great driver in heavily modded max (such as those described earlier) against those jokers and I guarantee a top 5 finish.